Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

I scored higher with Trump. The bulk of which were:

Lift the embargo on Cuba (Yes - More important)
US stay in the UN (Yes - More)
Should we allow Super PACs & corporations: No - Most
Should eminent domain be legal - Yes (with restrictions) - More
Should capital gains be increased - Yes - More


91% Bernie, 91% Clinton, 91% Stein, 79% Johnson, 43% Trump

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

We need something to deter the psychosis of the Republicans over the last 20 years. (Something that would equally well stop some future left psychosis).

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Get Kep the kewpie doll!

The right had a hard spot with 'B'J Clinton. So in typical American overcompensation style came GW Bush.
The left had a hard spot with GW Bush. So in typical American overcompensation style came BH Obama.
The right had a hard spot with Obama. So in typical American overcompensation style came DJ Trump.


A pendulum swings back and forth to settle in the middle.
American politics swings back and forth further and further*.
American politics is the anti-pendulum.


*For the controls geeks out there, the poles have moved to the right side of the S-plane.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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No concession from Bernie. Lots of anti-Trump rhetoric and a promise to bring his policies to the convention. He's also waiting for the rest of the votes in California to be counted. There are at least 950,000 provisional ballots still out there, and historically these are counted at a rate of around 90%. There was talk of working with Clinton though, so he'll probably be out after DC or just stay in it for technical purposes until the convention.

 

[Kepler]

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What I'm getting is today's liberal is finally admitting what has been in the liberal's heart all along.

IALTO. The desperate need of the far right to say "Now I know it seems on the facts like I'm just a selfish ***** when I propose all these economic and social policies, but no, it's really teh libruls / minorities / women who are the bad ones because SQUIRREL!!!"

Behold the projection of the conservative's obsessions onto everyone around them. It's too bad you don't watch The Bachelorette. Last night, Chad gave a command performance of the Conservative Mind.

You kittens are just upset that this isn't the 1975 Jerry Brown "peace, love and happiness" liberalism. We learned to defend ourselves. The unkind rely on the passivity and conflict avoidance of the kind to bully them. When we stand up to them, my lawd do they throw a tizzy!

 

[mookie1995]

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HA! Get with the fuking times! Not sure how old you are, but the image of peace of love liberals is long, loooooong gone. Current liberals want to crush knuckledraggerism and then p !ss on its corpse. Hopefully that's clear enough for you.

you are dreaming son. all they do is whine about obstructionist teabaggers and how they don't allow anything to get done. even BHO sent up a sc centrist pick



so bend over and ask for another like the rest of you libby wienies

 

[The Sicatoka]

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You kittens are just upset that this isn't the 1975 Jerry Brown "peace, love and happiness" liberalism. We learned to defend ourselves. The unkind rely on the passivity and conflict avoidance of the kind to bully them. When we stand up to them, my lawd do they throw a tizzy!

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."

The 1975 version finally admitted their impotence ... and what was in their hearts.

 

[Kepler]

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"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."

The 1975 version finally admitted their impotence ... and what was in their hearts.

It was Edmund Burke, the father of modern conservatism, who said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." If a man with a knife reaches for your child you don't answer back with strong language.

One difference between liberals and the scum who call themselves conservatives today is for liberals punishment is a very last resort, and only a means to an end. For conservatives, punishment is the end in itself -- the perpetual recapitulation of the strap and the belt by which the master whips the slave, the father enforces his will on the son, that God smites his cowering worshipers.

But as is typical of all bullies, if after they hit you twenty times you fight back, not only are they confused and terrified, but they run crying home to mommy, and late call you the bully.

 

[Handyman]

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As I have said before, I don't agree. There are always the sane who must pretend to be insane to survive.

Yeah but this is a completely different animal. They may not be insane, but they are then evil for backing evil they dont truly support. They dont get to hide behind party politics here. They are who they say they are whether they mean it or not when it comes to Trump.

Put it this way, Paul Ryan can pretend that he isnt a racist, hate mongering 1% buttkisser all he wants but the second he endorses Trump publicly he actually becomes one. Turning a blind eye to bigotry makes you just as guilty...they are like the Swiss banks during WWII. Sure they never actually murdered any Jews but they sure seize their money while watching Germany put them on traincars. They can claim neutrality all they want but they are no better than the people who they let slaughter millions.

 

[unofan]

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."

The 1975 version finally admitted their impotence ... and what was in their hearts.

So what does the nomination of the Donald tell us about what's in the conservative heart?

I'm not sure you really want to go down this line of argument. It won't end well for you.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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So what does the nomination of the Donald tell us about what's in the conservative heart?

I'm not sure you really want to go down this line of argument. It won't end well for you.

Like I said, Trump is the over-swing of the American political pendulum post-Obama.

And I'm probably going to end up voting for Gary Johnson because I can't vote for any of the rest.

 

[Handyman]

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So what does the nomination of the Donald tell us about what's in the conservative heart?

I'm not sure you really want to go down this line of argument. It won't end well for you.

Yes he does because he is under the delusion we all believe he isnt voting for Donald. He probably convinced himself he didnt for Dubya either

 

[joecct]

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Trump wins if Hillary thinks she's won the election on Labor Day.

The GOP needs to pick 4 or 5 issues that have common agreement with the majority of Americans and hammer them daily.

Reform the Tax Code
Illegal immigration and its affect on jobs.
Jobs leaving the USA
Reform PPACA. Can it live up to the promises made by the current administratio as it is written, or does it need to be scrapped and rewritten?

 

[Kepler]

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Like I said, Trump is the over-swing of the American political pendulum post-Obama.

And I'm probably going to end up voting for Gary Johnson because I can't vote for any of the rest.

Johnson's not a bad candidate at all. And Weld is the only Republican I have voted for for a statewide or above office.

 

[Handyman]

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Trump wins if Hillary thinks she's won the election on Labor Day.

The GOP needs to pick 4 or 5 issues that have common agreement with the majority of Americans and hammer them daily.

Reform the Tax Code
Illegal immigration and its affect on jobs.
Jobs leaving the USA
Reform PPACA. Can it live up to the promises made by the current administratio as it is written, or does it need to be scrapped and rewritten?

Yes lets waste more time on the ACA...Congress isnt doing enough of that we should get the Executive involved as well. Party of small Government indeed

 

[unofan]

Like I said, Trump is the over-swing of the American political pendulum post-Obama.

Bullshiat. He's the culmination of the southern strategy and the GOP's kowtowing to the tea party coming home to roost. He is the embodiment of the modern day conservative: a blowhard racist full of machismo yearning for the mythical days of Ward and June Cleaver that only existed in Hollywood fantasy yet couldn't think his way out of a paper bag if he tried.

You guys nominated the spiritual leader of the birther movement as your nominee. That's pure Murika, that's not some pendulum swinging too far. You might as well own it, because the only difference between tDonald and your average republican is he says in public what everyone else was saying in private.

 

[unofan]

Trump wins if Hillary thinks she's won the election on Labor Day.

The GOP needs to pick 4 or 5 issues that have common agreement with the majority of Americans and hammer them daily.

Reform the Tax Code
Illegal immigration and its affect on jobs.
Jobs leaving the USA
Reform PPACA. Can it live up to the promises made by the current administratio as it is written, or does it need to be scrapped and rewritten?

1) aka, go full Kansas (and you never go full Kansas).
2) unemployment is below 5%. Good luck with that.
3) good luck banning robots in factories.
4) because that canard has worked so well for the last eight years...

 

[Handyman]

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Exactly! Remember when Trump went on Faux after Obama got elected talking about "his operatives in Hawaii" and how "they are hearing and finding things about Obama that we wouldnt believe!!!11!!1"? Trump is everything the modern GOP stands for since about 1998.

 

[Kepler]

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Trump wins if Hillary thinks she's won the election on Labor Day.

The GOP needs to pick 4 or 5 issues that have common agreement with the majority of Americans and hammer them daily.

Reform the Tax Code
Illegal immigration and its affect on jobs.
Jobs leaving the USA
Reform PPACA. Can it live up to the promises made by the current administratio as it is written, or does it need to be scrapped and rewritten?

I can't think of a single issue the GOP could credibly claim right now that would help them expand their party while also holding on to their base. The GOP problem is that their base has separated out from the rest of the electorate. The gap that used to be between Dems and Republicans is now between casual Republicans and base Republicans.

It's not like they have an obvious solution which they are not taking. They have a really awful decision to make: slam the door on the base, move two standard deviations to the center, and start competing for the middle again. This is their only long term move but in the short term it's going to REALLY hurt. They ought to have done it after 2008, but the 2010 midterm gave them a false sense that they could still bluff it out. Now here they are 6 years later, still bluffing, only at the top of the ticket a riverboat gambler has called their bluff.

Their solace is the Democrats will eventually overreach. Even though the Dems have barely even recrossed the center line back to the left yet, we will, and eventually we will go too far, and the GOP will once again be able to capture the middle. But the sooner the GOP gets off their duff the shorter a turnaround they have to endure. Had they moved with alacrity after 2008 they might even be almost done by now; instead, not having started, and letting the rot set it in even deeper, it could now take them a decade or more.

By all means, take your time. 5-4 is OK, 6-3 would be better, but heck, if you insist I'll hold out for 9-0.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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You guys ...

Who is "you guys"? I am not a registered member of any political party.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Johnson's not a bad candidate at all. And Weld is the only Republican I have voted for for a statewide or above office.

Johnson and Weld make so much sense it hurts. Both are former governors (and folks should know I prefer former governors for President). Both have visible track records. And, in a traditional political cycle the teaming is beautiful: a western state and a northeastern state.