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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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McConnell's playing a dangerous game and I'm wondering if he's looking for the exits. IF the Dems win WH + Senate they are going to ram liberal judicial nominees so far up his arse he'll have to unbutton his collar to take a dump. (Dirty Harry quote). He has to know this. Wonder if he has a think tank gig lined up with Koch funding somewhere and this is all an extended job interview.

In the past particularly in the Senate a lot of the old guard tried to cling to rules of decorum that the other side had long since abandoned even if they'd been in the Senate for decades (Itch, Hatch, Grassley, etc). Took Harry Reid about 7 years to figure this out. However, most of those Dems are gone (Rockefeller, Harkin, Durbin, Levin, etc) and the ones taking over are spoiling for a fight. Should be fun to watch the look on McConnell's face when they all get approved by simple majority, unless as I speculated he plans on throwing in the towel after inauguration day.
 
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Rover said:
McConnell's playing a dangerous game and I'm wondering if he's looking for the exits. IF the Dems win WH + Senate they are going to ram liberal judicial nominees so far up his arse he'll have to unbutton his collar to take a dump. (Dirty Harry quote). He has to know this. Wonder if he has a think tank gig lined up with Koch funding somewhere and this is all an extended job interview.

In the past particularly in the Senate a lot of the old guard tried to cling to rules of decorum that the other side had long since abandoned even if they'd been in the Senate for decades (Itch, Hatch, Grassley, etc). Took Harry Reid about 7 years to figure this out. However, most of those Dems are gone (Rockefeller, Harkin, Durbin, Levin, etc) and the ones taking over are spoiling for a fight. Should be fun to watch the look on McConnell's face when they all get approved by simple majority, unless as I speculated he plans on throwing in the towel after inauguration day.
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I'd fill all the vacancies on Monday, then on Tuesday reinstitute the super majority requirement and say, "OK, let's try this again." The old guard GOP are bad, but they're bad within normal parameters. The TP caucus are terrorists who can't be reasoned with -- we just have to bypass them and work with the adults.

It would actually be a better career move right now for sane Republican Senators to have the Dems retake the majority. That would give them some power when the patina of bipartisanship is required.

The other thing unfortunately is we need to bring back earmarks or something that functions like earmarks. Without them, leadership has no power except committee assignments, so it's all or nothing and they rarely have the stones to go to 11.
 
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Kepler said:
I'd fill all the vacancies on Monday, then on Tuesday reinstitute the super majority requirement and say, "OK, let's try this again." The old guard GOP are bad, but they're bad within normal parameters. The TP caucus are terrorists who can't be reasoned with -- we just have to bypass them and work with the adults.

It would actually be a better career move right now for sane Republican Senators to have the Dems retake the majority. That would give them some power when the patina of bipartisanship is required.

The other thing unfortunately is we need to bring back earmarks or something that functions like earmarks. Without them, leadership has no power except committee assignments, so it's all or nothing and they rarely have the stones to go to 11.
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Kep I'm sorry but we've had this dispute before. THERE ARE NO SANE REPUBLICAN SENATORS!!! Everyone of them except for Ben Sasse who's his own nutball has either fully embraced Trump or said they'd support the ticket. They're all either full of sh !t or don't have the balls to stand up to a fascist. Either way, they're useless and that includes Collins, McCain and anybody else the press loves to hold up as a beacon of moderation.

Kep, the GOP you dream of is dead. Its been dead a long time. Do you know what moderate sane GOP Senators and Cubs fans who remember their last World Series victory have in common? They both ceased to exist a couple of decades ago.
 
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Rover said:
Kep, the GOP you dream of is dead. Its been dead a long time. Do you know what moderate sane GOP Senators and Cubs fans who remember their last World Series victory have in common? They both ceased to exist a couple of decades ago.
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As I have said before, I don't agree. There are always the sane who must pretend to be insane to survive.
 
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Kepler said:
As I have said before, I don't agree. There are always the sane who must pretend to be insane to survive.
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Well, let me put it another way. I don't know how the GOP gets out of this. Or, I don't see a way for moderates to re-assert themselves. After the Nov elections, for the entire Northeast Quadrant of the United States - from Maine to Virginia and across to Missouri then up to Minnesota, there will be no more than 6-7 GOP Senators left (Collins-ME, Capito-WV, Coates seat-IN, Blunt-MO, Grassley-IA, and the two idiots in KY). This is out of 22 states or 44 seats. There's one so-called moderate out of that bunch. The rest are nutters who will most likely get replaced by fellow nutters except for maybe Grassley and I'd expect Steve King to be the nominee for that seat whenever Chuckles gives up the ghost.

Now switch to the South. From North Carolina to Florida and across to Arizona, there are 13 states. Of those 26 seats I count 3 Democrats (Nelson-FL, and the two guys in NM). Of the 23 seats they hold in mostly solid red states, show me the moderates? Even if you still cling to the notion that McCain is, who else?

There is no base for them anymore. Dem states won't elect them because they'll just do the bidding of the party once in office. In solid red states the nutters almost always win the nomination. Its possible what stops happening is sitting GOP senators no longer get primaried, but I wonder if that's because there's not many remaining that you have any space to run to the right of.
 
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Kepler said:
IINM one of our better frequent political posters is still one, at least in spirit.
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I don't think you're talking about me, but just might be. Philosophically I'm libertarian (an no, I've never smoked anything in my life).

I took the "ISideWith.com" quiz. I ended up with Gary Johnson and The Donald as my top two that I align with. Recent events (southern borders, immigrants in Europe) have moved me away from libertarian philosophy.
 
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Rover said:
Well, let me put it another way. I don't know how the GOP gets out of this.
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They don't get themselves out; they are "gotten out": times change, issues change, and the map realigns.

We're in a really weird situation in which geography, ideology and party are all strongly associated. That never holds for long -- technology and/or geopolitics reshuffles the deck. The ideas the GOP champions right now are all in stages of terminal cancer. Nature (and donors) abhor a vacuum, so they will glom onto new issues -- they are a merchant who needs products to sell. Xenophobia is evergreen so they can keep that one, but they also need some positive, substantive issues.
 
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St. Clown said:
Flaggy only travels by car. The model year must be 1983 so none of them tracking computers can be found in them. Otherwise the Hindenberg family knows where you are.
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Not only that, the speedometer only goes to 85, and there's a red line at 55. :rolleyes:
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I don't think you're talking about me, but just might be. Philosophically I'm libertarian (an no, I've never smoked anything in my life).

I took the "ISideWith.com" quiz. I ended up with Gary Johnson and The Donald as my top two that I align with. Recent events (southern borders, immigrants in Europe) have moved me away from libertarian philosophy.
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I ended up with Bernie and Hillary as my top two. The Donald was down at 24% for me. Makes me sick that I even agree with the bastard that much.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I thought litmus tests for judgicial candidates were wrong.
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They are. I'm talking about overtly punishing the GOP for what it has done. One time only, then see if they learn. It seems to be the only language they understand.


Duke of Exeter. he bids you then resign
Your crown and kingdom, indirectly held
From him the native and true challenger.

King of France. Or else what follows?

Duke of Exeter. Bloody constraint; for if you hide the crown
Even in your hearts, there will he rake for it:
Therefore in fierce tempest is he coming,
In thunder and in earthquake, like a Jove,
That, if requiring fail, he will compel;
 
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Kepler said:
They are. I'm talking about overtly punishing the GOP for what it has done.
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Are you sure that's not what the GOP believes they are doing now toward the Dems?

And I though the philosophy of liberalism was not vindictive and punishing, but nurturing and educational and enlightened. What you propose seems like what liberals would espouse as a ... < gasp! > conservative tactic.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Are you sure that's not what the GOP believes they are doing now toward the Dems?

And I though the philosophy of liberalism was not vindictive and punishing, but nurturing and educational and enlightened. What you propose seems like what liberals would espouse as a ... < gasp! > conservative tactic.
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HA! Get with the fuking times! Not sure how old you are, but the image of peace of love liberals is long, loooooong gone. Current liberals want to crush knuckledraggerism and then p !ss on its corpse. Hopefully that's clear enough for you. :D
 
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Kepler said:
They are. I'm talking about overtly punishing the GOP for what it has done. One time only, then see if they learn. It seems to be the only language they understand.


Duke of Exeter. he bids you then resign
Your crown and kingdom, indirectly held
From him the native and true challenger.

King of France. Or else what follows?

Duke of Exeter. Bloody constraint; for if you hide the crown
Even in your hearts, there will he rake for it:
Therefore in fierce tempest is he coming,
In thunder and in earthquake, like a Jove,
That, if requiring fail, he will compel;
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Did you mix up the quotes?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Are you sure that's not what the GOP believes they are doing now toward the Dems?

And I though the philosophy of liberalism was not vindictive and punishing, but nurturing and educational and enlightened
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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. -- Matthew 10:34
 
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SJHovey said:
Did you mix up the quotes?
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Well, I really wanted to get the bloody constraint line in (when done right it makes the theater run cold). I'll admit the context is not apropos.

We need something to deter the psychosis of the Republicans over the last 20 years. (Something that would equally well stop some future left psychosis). The obvious solution is you don't keep playing with a card cheat, but as long as the public keeps returning the cheat to Congress we have to play with him, so...

Even Marshall Dillon had his breaking point. The GOP have needed a "teachable moment" for 2 decades. They've earned it.
 
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Kepler said:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. -- Matthew 10:34
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Sgt. Bosco 'B.A.' Baracus: [justifying his newly adopted non-violent attitude, he quotes Gandhi] "Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary."

Col. John 'Hannibal' Smith: [answers with his own Gandhi quote] "It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."
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What I'm getting is today's liberal is finally admitting what has been in the liberal's heart all along.
 
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