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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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MaizeRage said:
David French(the guy that does Game of Thrones recaps for the National Review, obviously) is Bill Kristol's surprise third party #NeverTrump candidate. Should make for an interesting news cycle.
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If so...no needle moved. Wonder why the movement would bother. Must be some extra cash lying around with the ultimate objective of pub for team members (i.e., Kristol). I also suspect that means no serious 3rd party candidates to follow.
 
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MaizeRage said:
David French(the guy that does Game of Thrones recaps for the National Review, obviously) is Bill Kristol's surprise third party #NeverTrump candidate. Should make for an interesting news cycle.
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As in they are running him? How will he qualify for ballot access?

Edit: it's just NR backscratching. The symbolism of Wee Kristol flogging the story from Israel is hilariously on point.
 
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5mn_Major said:
If so...no needle moved. Wonder why the movement would bother. Must be some extra cash lying around with the ultimate objective of pub for team members (i.e., Kristol). I also suspect that means no serious 3rd party candidates to follow.
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Conservatives of principle have an option. Or, they're mythical.
 
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Kepler stopped making fun of libertarians ever since their prospective nominees for president jiggled his junk for CSPAN.
 
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Kepler said:
Conservatives of principle have an option. Or, they're mythical.
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Gary Johnson is not a purist libertarian. TNR is right for once though - has anyone met a card-carrying Big L libertarian who wasn't some combination of obese, neckbearded, monitor-tanned, undersexed, Gamergater, metalhead, and/or obsessed with Ayn Rand? ;)

EDIT: Or is my sample biased because all the ones I knew went to MTU?
 
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When the real media actually turns on this guy, it's going to be a bloodbath.

I hope this is the turning point.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
A few years back didn't you heckle me when I said I was more libertarian bent than conservative bent? ;)
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I don't think I did. I mean the heckling sounds like me, but that's a distinction I do understand.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Gary Johnson is not a purist libertarian. TNR is right for once though - has anyone met a card-carrying Big L libertarian who wasn't some combination of obese, neckbearded, monitor-tanned, undersexed, Gamergater, metalhead, and/or obsessed with Ayn Rand? ;)

EDIT: Or is my sample biased because all the ones I knew went to MTU?
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No, that's basically them. They used to do their convention over July 4 and CSPAN would cover it. It was a conga line of comic book guys.

The thing I always found weird about capital L Libertarians was the sizeable minority with heavily Christian pretensions. They hated the fundies as mouth breathers, but they could quote you Aquinas chapter and verse right up there with Madison.
 
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mookie1995 said:
mookie would bet 15-20% of the people max could tell you what SCOTUS stands for there rovsie :D
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Good thing they're all Dems! :D

However the average voter knowing what SCOTUS means isn't the point. The groups dedicated to pushing turnout, the unions, women's rights groups, enviros, etc - those are the ones who really, REALLY care about this. They are the backbone of a GOTV operation, much like the dwindling Christian Coalition used to do for the GOP. For all of these groups who are sometimes at cross purposes with each other (unions and enviros for example) a Court takeover is a unifying principle that everyone can rally around.

I would also say you're underestimating the effect of taking over the Court on reproductive rights. Especially with a women running for Prez. Elect Hillary and a Dem Senate and all nonsensical abortion restrictions get struck down in the next term most likely thus ending for awhile the legislative attacks on this issue.
 
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If we ran actual popular elections I would bet money The Shrill would choke. Since we dont though I think she will win. I just dont see Drumpf flipping any states that matter no matter how much lefties dislike the Shrill. Drumpf needs to hold every Romney State and find a way to flip a few or it is going to be a route.
 
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Rover said:
The #1 Goal here is to pack the courts. All the courts. Starting with the SCOTUS. To do that you need the Presidency and the Senate. Get a BIG sense of urgency here and eliminate filibuster and dumb blue slip idiocy in Senate. Appoint uber-liberal replacements for Scalia and Ginsburg and Breyer and hope Kennedy and Thomas see the writing on the wall.

Then fill all outstanding judicial vacancies. Every one. Ram through Dem appointees. By 2018 most recent Reagan appointee would have been on bench for 30 years. Can't be too many left at that point. Dems should have majorities in all circuit courts.

Once this is accomplished everything flows from there. EPA rulings. Voting rights. Reproductive Rights. ACA. Immigration. You name it.
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You think you want this. You really don't.

Personally I've reached the conclusion that the country is served pretty well when we have some of our more progressive ideas come out of the executive branch, a legislative branch with shared power or very slim majorities for either party, a slightly conservative federal court system with a relatively balanced SCOTUS. While some progressive ideas have merit, and ultimately should become law, there are just some plain bat$h!t crazy ideas that get adopted as regulations that require a court somewhere to nix.
 
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You think you want this. You really don't.
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I wouldn't know. We haven't had anything close to a liberal court in roughly 40 years. And as much as the ninth circuit pushes the envelope (just like the eighth pulls it back the other way), even a liberal supreme court would be moderate by comparison to the ninth.

And when I look back, I don't exactly hate the idea of a second Warren Court coming to fruition.
 
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Handyman said:
If we ran actual popular elections I would bet money The Shrill would choke. Since we dont though I think she will win. I just dont see Drumpf flipping any states that matter no matter how much lefties dislike the Shrill. Drumpf needs to hold every Romney State and find a way to flip a few or it is going to be a route.
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I tend to agree but then I look at Wisconsin and what North Carolina went back to and I have no doubt that Mrs. Clinton could lose
 
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unofan said:
I wouldn't know. We haven't had anything close to a liberal court in roughly 40 years. And as much as the ninth circuit pushes the envelope (just like the eighth pulls it back the other way), even a liberal supreme court would be moderate by comparison to the ninth.

And when I look back, I don't exactly hate the idea of a second Warren Court coming to fruition.
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This, so much this. We're emerging (god I hope) from a long death march into the fever swamps of radical conservative ideology on many Court issues. The handful of high profile social issue wins have masked the most reactionary judiciary since the Lochner era, setting the country back 60 years on economic and political rights. That's not just terrible policy and millions of damaged lives, it's dangerous, with the pressure building throughout the country for a fascistic backlash. The majority of actual humans, not corporate dollars, have wanted us to match our economic policies with contemporary reality and halt this atrocious experiment in far right economics that's screwed over 99% of the country for the benefit of the super-wealthy. Supply side failed -- exactly the way a majority of economists said it would when it was foisted on an inattentive country by an intellectually lazy actor with an aw shucks grin -- and the sole reason it has remained nailed in place is the domination of both parties by economic elites using bribery which this Court legalized.

End that -- forever wall off politics from big money and restore democracy -- and the restoration of America "must follow as the night the day." All of our significant problems arise from the distortion of our democracy into a private club for a handful thousand families.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I tend to agree but then I look at Wisconsin and what North Carolina went back to and I have no doubt that Mrs. Clinton could lose
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While you are right, WI is still going to vote D in the general most likely. They may like Scott Walker (as do Minnesotans because he is the example of what not to do) but they have no real love for Drumpf. NC I cant speak to though...

Drumpf needs to win Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio or he is going to be suing everyone in sight cause he lost ;)
 
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Handyman said:
If we ran actual popular elections I would bet money The Shrill would choke. Since we dont though I think she will win. I just dont see Drumpf flipping any states that matter no matter how much lefties dislike the Shrill. Drumpf needs to hold every Romney State and find a way to flip a few or it is going to be a route.
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Trump has the general personality to have won the presidency in almost any of recent past elections. He has several other catastrophic downfalls that are well within his grasp to control, but he doesn't: loose canon talk (temperament), lack of seriousness (policy), and a failure to shift to the middle. The electoral map is extremely difficult, but those last three make it a near impossibility for him to win.
 
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