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Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

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GrinCDXX said:
Remember when I suggested Bernie should condemn the threats made against chairwoman Lang?
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Tell that to Bernie then. My issue isn't with him encouraging bad behavior because that isn't on him. My issue is his personal silence and the weak response from his campaign.
 
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It's a shame H.L. Mencken isn't alive to cover this campaign (apart from that whole racist/anti-semitic thing.) He probably wouldn't be a huge fan of Obama or Bernie Sanders. He'd probably have some misogynistic zingers for Hilary too.

Come to think of it, his commentary would probably fit right into this campaign, warts and all.
 
DisplacedCornellian said:
It's a shame H.L. Mencken isn't alive to cover this campaign (apart from that whole racist/anti-semitic thing.) He probably wouldn't be a huge fan of Obama or Bernie Sanders. He'd probably have some misogynistic zingers for Hilary too.

Come to think of it, his commentary would probably fit right into this campaign, warts and all.
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I have it on good authority that Mr. Mencken is still registered to vote in Baltimore City.
 
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DisplacedCornellian said:
It's a shame H.L. Mencken isn't alive to cover this campaign (apart from that whole racist/anti-semitic thing.) He probably wouldn't be a huge fan of Obama or Bernie Sanders. He'd probably have some misogynistic zingers for Hilary too.

Come to think of it, his commentary would probably fit right into this campaign, warts and all.
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The worst thing Mencken would call Hillary would be "Episcopalian."

I've been reading a lot of Mencken's literary criticism lately. Everybody remembers him for his political stingers, but he was a genuinely gifted critic. He just needed a hug and maybe some Prep H.

It's too bad that he was so good at snark, because when he truly wanted to take somebody apart -- when he thought they were in some way honestly dangerous -- it was brief, subtle, without fireworks, and with no way back. Utter destruction. He could do more with a paragraph that most writers could with a book.
 
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Kepler said:
Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections - FALSE, of course.

Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination - FALSE, but Bernie's going to be a distant memory in another couple of months

Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president - FALSE, obviously

Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign - TBD, but probably not

Short term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign - TRUE, but see below

Long term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms - TECHNICALLY TRUE, but I'll bet Billy Jo Schlob who was forced into early retirement at 52, and Tyler McArtsy Fartsy still working the Mickey D's counter five years out of college, sure as hell don't think so.

Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy - TRUE

Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term - PROBABLY TRUE, depends on your definition of "unrest".

Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal - DEPENDS, on whether you lean left or right

Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs - TBD, but probably not

Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs FALSE, the jury is still out on the long-term positive and negative consequences of Obama's foreign policy moves.

Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero - FALSE, Hillary has the charisma of a wet paper bag. :D

Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero - DEPENDS, on your IQ score. ;)
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Nothing's black and white. Those would be my responses.
 
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DisplacedCornellian said:
It's a shame H.L. Mencken isn't alive to cover this campaign (apart from that whole racist/anti-semitic thing.) He probably wouldn't be a huge fan of Obama or Bernie Sanders. He'd probably have some misogynistic zingers for Hilary too.

Come to think of it, his commentary would probably fit right into this campaign, warts and all.
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He'd be Donald Trump essentially. Not sure we need more of that...
 
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Rover said:
He'd be Donald Trump essentially.
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Hardly. If Mencken would be anybody in this environment he'd be a cross between Camille Paglia and Jack Germond. How else to describe with what perfect prescience, in 1920, he could predict Trump:

The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre—the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
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mookie1995 said:
Did one of them kill Vince Foster?
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Technically Bill just ordered that. He didn't pull the trigger (I think that was Pat Robertson's take IIRC).

He may have been driving the car though when Buddy the Dog got iced before he could testify to the grand jury.. :eek:
 
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Kepler said:
Hardly. If Mencken would be anybody in this environment he'd be a cross between Camille Paglia and Jack Germond. How else to describe with what perfect prescience, in 1920, he could predict Trump:
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I don't know...racism, anti New Deal, longing for mythical way things used to be...sounds kinda familiar.
 
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Rover said:
I don't know...racism, anti New Deal, longing for mythical way things used to be...sounds kinda familiar.
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Yeah, but he hated the proles, loathed populism, and gleefully danced on William Jennings Bryan's grave. He'd have shivved Pat Buchanan right in the chasuble.
 
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Sanders response regarding Nevada

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday issued the following statement:

“It is imperative that the Democratic leadership, both nationally and in the states, understand that the political world is changing and that millions of Americans are outraged at establishment politics and establishment economics. The people of this country want a government which represents all of us, not just the 1 percent, super PACs and wealthy campaign contributors.

“The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change – people who are willing to take on Wall Street, corporate greed and a fossil fuel industry which is destroying this planet. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.

“Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a ‘penchant for violence.’ That is nonsense. Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked.

“If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned. I am happy to say that has been the case at state conventions in Maine, Alaska, Colorado and Hawaii where good discussions were held and democratic decisions were reached. Unfortunately, that was not the case at the Nevada convention. At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. Among other things:

The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.
The chair allowed its Credentials Committee to en mass rule that 64 delegates were ineligible without offering an opportunity for 58 of them to be heard. That decision enabled the Clinton campaign to end up with a 30-vote majority.
The chair refused to acknowledge any motions made from the floor or allow votes on them.
The chair refused to accept any petitions for amendments to the rules that were properly submitted.

“These are on top of failures at the precinct and county conventions including trying to depose and then threaten with arrest the Clark County convention credentials chair because she was operating too fairly.”
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Not much bread, but a whole lot of circus.

Indeed, Trump is viewing the convention as a showcase for the brand he built in entertainment over three decades and then melded with a political persona developed over the last year. It’s an opportunity to fill a vacuum created by longtime Republican standard-bearers, from Mitt Romney and John McCain to the Bush family who are opting not to attend, and to elevate a new coalition of conservatives and present a party refashioned, at least for the moment, in his own image.

And Trump plans to create news events too, not just line up speeches by up-and-coming members of the GOP. He’s toying with unveiling a running mate at the convention rather than before. He’s even considering whether to announce his would-be Cabinet.

“Announcing the vice presidential nominee before the convention is like announcing winner of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ before the final show is on the air,” one Trump campaign source said. “This is one of the only opportunities to create tension and drama in the whole show. You better believe Mr. Trump understands that and is looking to maximize that.”

Whereas the vice presidential nominee has generally spoken on the third night of the convention and the presidential candidate has taken the stage on the fourth and final night, Trump is considering a scenario that puts him on stage, delivering remarks on all four nights, reaching millions of potential voters, and driving ratings, according to one source.
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Full frontal nudity. And chimps.
 
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He's missing a big opportunity though. A special Celebrity Apprentice series, winner gets to be VP.
 
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