Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Shucks!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/ryan-to-formally-rule-out-white-house-bid-221834

That's OK, the GOP has their ideal man standing by.

Edit: their veep is in line, too.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

That's OK, the GOP has their ideal man standing by.

Edit: their veep is in line, too.

I really want to see Trump kill it in NY. He could be in line to win every delegate! If he does that and kicks butt the next week in the rest of the Northeast the wailing on the right is going to go through the roof.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Keep it classy, de Blasio

 

[MaizeRage]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

I've said multiple times here that I find it amusing that each political party misinterprets the disdain for the other candidate as a mandate for theirs. This year it appears to be occurring intra-party for both the Ds and the Rs

It's not uncommon and it's one of the biggest issues in American politics today. The schism between the two parties has become so big that the only real political discussion and the only time voters really make a choice is within their own party. Thanks to gerrymandering, about 6 out of every 7 Congressional districts are considered "safe districts" which means there is no hope of them flipping parties. Once somebody gets elected, there's no way they're losing that seat unless they get primaried, and the only way they're going to lose a primary is if another candidate is more extreme in their views. The end result is you get a lot of politicians who are more interested in sticking with their party talking points at all costs than actually working to reach compromise and get things done.

The same thing is essentially happening to Hillary. She's running as an extension of Obama's eight years, which means she's saddled with the limitations of actually having to govern, whereas Bernie gets the advantage of being the more extreme ideologue, which tends to play better when you're only campaigning for votes within your own party.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

It's funny listening to the bully Trump whining about how he's being cheated and the system is rigged. Almost sounds like a "loser".

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

The same thing is essentially happening to Hillary. She's running as an extension of Obama's eight years, which means she's saddled with the limitations of actually having to govern, whereas Bernie gets the advantage of being the more extreme ideologue, which tends to play better when you're only campaigning for votes within your own party.

As a Bernie supporter, I agree with this, though I don't think it's anything new. Moderates do have a harder time running in the primaries for the reason you state. The good news for Hillary is moderation becomes an advantage in the general.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

It's not uncommon and it's one of the biggest issues in American politics today. The schism between the two parties has become so big that the only real political discussion and the only time voters really make a choice is within their own party. Thanks to gerrymandering, about 6 out of every 7 Congressional districts are considered "safe districts" which means there is no hope of them flipping parties. Once somebody gets elected, there's no way they're losing that seat unless they get primaried, and the only way they're going to lose a primary is if another candidate is more extreme in their views. The end result is you get a lot of politicians who are more interested in sticking with their party talking points at all costs than actually working to reach compromise and get things done.

Agree but the solution is simpler than people realize. After the courts undid the Florida gerrymander, there's only a handful of states left that need to undo their partisan process for drawing the lines. This can be done with a citizens ballot initiative to put redistricting in the hands of an independent commission. States where it would have an impact is MI, IL, OH, NY, PA, VA, and NC. That's not a ton of states. CA is already an independent commission as is AZ. 1, 2 or even 3 district states really aren't affected so nothing to be done there. Democrats would be wise to capture the reformist spirit of some of their members and push for this in these places. IIRC MI and OH have the ballot initiative available to its voters. Not sure about the rest.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

GOP gearing up for some internecine ultra-violence.

From Indiana to Colorado to Tennessee, those involved in the delegate selection process are receiving harassment and even death threats from Drumpf fans who believe that the system has been “rigged” against the real estate mogul.

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“Think before you take a step down the wrong path, the American people want to have faith in your but it looks like a future in hiding is more appealing,” one message said, according to the Star. The state police have even begun reviewing the messages, the Star reported Tuesday In Colorado -- where the Cruz campaign’s success in securing loyal delegates earned inflammatory headlines on the Drudge Report -- the state GOP chair said he has been receiving death threats after an anonymous Drumpf fan tweeted his personal information and the personal information of other party officials.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

A classic question: how do you keep a movement moving forward after the election is over?

Die-hard supporters are anxious to ensure that the grassroots army of volunteers and small-dollar donors mobilized by the campaign doesn’t dissipate once the dust settles on the 2016 election. At least some are openly talking about what can be done to channel the enthusiasm whipped up by the campaign into a political movement with staying power.

“There is definitely a danger that people that are excited will lose momentum when we either win, or we don’t win, so we need to start thinking about that now,” said Maria Svart, the national director for Democratic Socialists of America, an organization that backs Sanders and has spent thousands of dollars to support him. “There needs to be something long-lasting that comes out of this. We just don’t know what it will look like yet.”

It won’t be easy to keep people interested and engaged after the election. Laying the groundwork while the primary is still in full swing for political machinery that can push a progressive agenda might be the best way to capitalize on the success of the campaign.

I would suggest a liberal statement of principles, or better still a list of goals to be worked for in the near / middle / and long term:

1. Near: uncap FICA; Tobin tax, etc...
2. Middle: tax capital gains at same rate as earned income; means test all federal benefits, etc...
3. Long: single payer; removal of corporations' personhood "rights", Piketty wealth tax, etc...

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

I think Sanders is running out of new enemies. Just my own anecdote but isn't Verizon like the only US tech company where if you call the help desk you get an American instead of somebody from India?

 

[mookie1995]

I think Sanders is running out of new enemies. Just my own anecdote but isn't Verizon like the only US tech company where if you call the help desk you get an American instead of somebody from India?

Not so sure about that

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Not so sure about that

Yep. There are plenty of worthy enemies out there. Rover may want to consider becoming a Republican, considering who he tends to side with.

Cleisthenes is on the way, Rove. The oligarchs' days are numbered. Your old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand.

 

[MaizeRage]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

The guy is named 'Lowell McAdam'. I'm pretty sure he's guilty.

 

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Please let it get to the 3rd ballot! Please!!!

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Please let it get to the 3rd ballot! Please!!!

The Cuyahoga River will burn again

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Please let it get to the 3rd ballot! Please!!!

All three ballots are going to be interesting. The first to see whether Drumpf has spread enough sugar among uncommitteds to get to whatever their Throw Up Our Hands number is. The second ballot to see if Cruz nailed down enough turncoats to get to 1237. If neither of those things happens then the third and thereafter are the free-for-all, with I would assume anybody else on the planet except those two eventually winning.

Hopefully it will be so despicable and gross that the eventual winner will have offended both lunatics' bases, and pis-sed off the other also rans to boot. Not to mention that Drumpf having lost could easily mount a third party challenge either by asking his people to write him in or by cannibalizing say the Reform ticket (which is actually not a bad match for him).

The whole thing seems like a perfect opportunity for some second amendment remedies.

 

[joecct]

All three ballots are going to be interesting. The first to see whether Drumpf has spread enough sugar among uncommitteds to get to whatever their Throw Up Our Hands number is. The second ballot to see if Cruz nailed down enough turncoats to get to 1237. If neither of those things happens then the third and thereafter are the free-for-all, with I would assume anybody else on the planet except those two eventually winning.

Hopefully it will be so despicable and gross that the eventual winner will have offended both lunatics' bases, and pis-sed off the other also rans to boot. Not to mention that Drumpf having lost could easily mount a third party challenge either by asking his people to write him in or by cannibalizing say the Reform ticket (which is actually not a bad match for him).

The whole thing seems like a perfect opportunity for some second amendment remedies.

I thought you'd like a Darwin approach. I hear Ohio/Cleveland will permit concealed carry on the floor.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Not so sure about that

Maybe they just give me better service.

Kep, I'm not sure what The Second Coming will look like, but it probably won't be a senile 75 year old ex-hippie from Vermont!

If you want to target sh !tty corporations, how about Wal-Mart, Sprint, Exxon, and Delta way wayyyy before Verizon.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

All three ballots are going to be interesting. The first to see whether Drumpf has spread enough sugar among uncommitteds to get to whatever their Throw Up Our Hands number is. The second ballot to see if Cruz nailed down enough turncoats to get to 1237. If neither of those things happens then the third and thereafter are the free-for-all, with I would assume anybody else on the planet except those two eventually winning.

Hopefully it will be so despicable and gross that the eventual winner will have offended both lunatics' bases, and pis-sed off the other also rans to boot. Not to mention that Drumpf having lost could easily mount a third party challenge either by asking his people to write him in or by cannibalizing say the Reform ticket (which is actually not a bad match for him).

The whole thing seems like a perfect opportunity for some second amendment remedies.

The third party threat is empty...by the time he gets screwed over he will have missed the cutoff to register in many states to be on the ballot. The only way he has a chance is if he dumps the GOP before the convention which he wont do because it would be suicide. (if he actually wants to win)

Cruz needs to make sure he bribes Little Marco enough to get his delegates on his side.