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Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

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Rover said:
Well done!

Good win for Sanders, but he's still doomed. Even you cult members know that by this point. ;)
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The Sanders people here have acknowledged Bernie's weaknesses. You haven't done the same with Clinton.

Kinda makes one wonder who the actual cultist is... :cool:
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
How do you acknowledge that which does not exist?
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Hillary is like God. She can only be defined apophatically in terms of the qualities She does not have. Flaws. Weaknesses. Scruples.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Is this before or after the email scandal gives Bernie the nomination??
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If she is not taken down first for her role in Vince Foster, Travelgate, Whitewater, or Benghazi.
 
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Kepler said:
The Sanders people here have acknowledged Bernie's weaknesses. You haven't done the same with Clinton.

Kinda makes one wonder who the actual cultist is... :cool:
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But Rover wrote last week in this very thread...

Rover said:
Lets be honest. Hillary is boring. She's selling competence, which she has in abundance, but not inspiration. That's fine because the country needs that sometimes (think Ike or Truman serving between FDR and JFK). However, it makes her easily susceptible to a primary challenge. Essentially what happened to her in 2008.
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I think your short term memory is going, Kep. ;)

For VP, Sherrod Brown would be perfect except for his Senate seat would go GOP with Kasich doing the appointment I believe. Given that she'll be running against Trump, I don't think we need to go there. Castro is too young. I'd look to someone from the West, Senator Merkley from Oregon or CO governor perhaps.
 
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Rover said:
I think your short term memory is going, Kep. ;)
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That isn't her weakness, Rover. Her problem isn't stylistic, it's her core identity. In a period where most voters are fixated on the problems of entrenched elites, she is as entrenched an elite as you can get.

Rarely does the person who personally embodies the factor that is most loathed in an age win an election. The thing saving Hillary is that her Republican opponents in the general are, respectively, a scatterbrained hairpiece and a smirking bag of dog feces.

Any moderate Republican would beat Hillary by double digits. We just happen to be very lucky that the party of monsters is playing this election without their usual camouflage.

Your insistence that Hillary's main problem is one of style speaks volumes about you, not her.
 
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burd said:
If she is not taken down first for her role in Vince Foster, Travelgate, Whitewater, or Benghazi.
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Oh, please. All those are dead. I can't believe anyone on this board would even ****ing bring up Benghazi.
 
Rover said:
Well done!

Good win for Sanders, but he's still doomed. Even you cult members know that by this point. ;)
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I love this attitude from Hilary people. "It's already over! Just go away!"

And then wonder why people say "I'm not voting for Hilary in November"? :rolleyes:

3 states, and almost assuredly a 4th, in one region of the country just sharply rejected Hillary and all it can muster is a meh? You supporters of her are just as arrogant and elitist as she is!

As much as we laugh at the Republican dumpster fire it's masking the split that's happening on the Democratic side. There's a lot of resentment among people on this side of the country from either being forgotten or forsaken by the Dem elite like Hillary. And yeah it'll probably hold together for an election or two but to ignore it is probably not the best course.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
I love this attitude from Hilary people. "It's already over! Just go away!"

And then wonder why people say "I'm not voting for Hilary in November"? :rolleyes:
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I'm trying to understand the jump one must make to get from thinking Hillary supporters are elitist and take the nomination for granted to voting for the likes of Trump or Cruz.
 
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burd said:
I'm trying to understand the jump one must make to get from thinking Hillary supporters are elitist and take the nomination for granted to voting for the likes of Trump or Cruz.
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I believe the thinking is the Bernie supporters will just stay home if he loses the nomination, rather than vote at all.
 
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burd said:
I'm trying to understand the jump one must make to get from thinking Hillary supporters are elitist and take the nomination for granted to voting for the likes of Trump or Cruz.
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Not voting for Hillary in the general election is not the same as voting for the Republican candidate. They could waste their votes and choose a third-party candidate, or leave that section of their ballot empty. Then again, some people did that in Florida, and election officials tried to "judge voter intent" when manually recounting ballots that had no presidential vote cast.
 
burd said:
I'm trying to understand the jump one must make to get from thinking Hillary supporters are elitist and take the nomination for granted to voting for the likes of Trump or Cruz.
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Like others said it's not a "I'm voting for Trump!" It's more of a "Nope." There's a large segment of Republicans who feel the same with Trump.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Like others said it's not a "I'm voting for Trump!" It's more of a "Nope." There's a large segment of Republicans who feel the same with Trump.
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Drumpf is interesting because of what happens with the hardcore racists and misogynists who previously got dog whistles from the GOP. Now the GOP is hurling brickbats at them to try to de-legitimatize Drumpf.

This is easy behavior for Republican establishment figures who are after all well-educated, wealthy elites, who if they're personally racist at all are racist as a proxy for despising the poor. The Republican party's institutionalized racism has always just been electioneering opportunism. Like their homophobia or their religiosity, it's only a put-on to get the rubes' votes. At home they're exactly as tolerant and secular as Democratic apparatchiks -- after all, they all came off the same conveyor belt; the GOPers are just working the "traditionalist" side of the midway but at quittin' time they go back to the same neighborhoods and the same spouses and the same bubble.

So what happens after Drumpf? No doubt most of these guys will reverse field and starting mouthing the same old platitudes that always packed the pews before, but while the Drumpites may not be the sharpest when it comes to geopolitics they're pretty good at detecting condescension. Do they just go right back in the kennel, or do they tell the GOP to shove it once and for all?
 
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