Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
You are not right about this, but I know it fits in with your bit.
You are not right about this, but I know it fits in with your bit.
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Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
I love how history is irrelevant until it gets repeated over and over and over again.
You are not right about this, but I know it fits in with your bit.
I love how history is irrelevant until it gets repeated over and over and over again.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
I believe the term is "stalking horse." We're just not that smart. The Dems have it together more than at any time pre-1968, but American politics has never been that sophisticated. (OTOH I'm sure the Brits do stuff like that in their middle school lunch monitor elections.)
The major parties aren't smart enough to pull off conspiracies; that's what "alt news" sites just never understand. God's a kid with an ant farm. He aint "planning" anything.
I believe the term is "stalking horse." We're just not that smart. The Dems have it together more than at any time pre-1968, but American politics has never been that sophisticated. (OTOH I'm sure the Brits do stuff like that in their middle school lunch monitor elections.)
The major parties aren't smart enough to pull off conspiracies; that's what "alt news" sites just never understand. God's a kid with an ant farm. He aint "planning" anything.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Please. History is littered with the bodies of impassioned, altruistic prophets crushed under the tank treads of methodical, cynical party hacks. In a straight up electoral fight Warren has about as much chance against Hillary as a field mouse against an owl.
Please. History is littered with the bodies of impassioned, altruistic prophets crushed under the tank treads of methodical, cynical party hacks. In a straight up electoral fight Warren has about as much chance against Hillary as a field mouse against an owl.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Uh, huh. And there's Obama.
Uh, huh. And there's Obama.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Scooby and I hardly agree but he is absolutely right. If Warren ran she would pass Hillary by. The Left loves her and all the anti-Hillary people in the party would line up to vote for her. MSNBC would do to Hillary what Fox did to Mitt (or Christie) where they would basically campaign against her. It would end up just like '08 where the only people who would support Hillary would be the Clintonites and they dont outweigh the rest of the party. Warren would unite all sections of the middle and left against the Wall Street Bourgeois Liberals.
Problem is she isnt running. Christ Maher begged her in an interview and offered to donate a million if she ran and she shut him down. There was no wiggle room she said no.
Scooby and I hardly agree but he is absolutely right. If Warren ran she would pass Hillary by. The Left loves her and all the anti-Hillary people in the party would line up to vote for her. MSNBC would do to Hillary what Fox did to Mitt (or Christie) where they would basically campaign against her. It would end up just like '08 where the only people who would support Hillary would be the Clintonites and they dont outweigh the rest of the party. Warren would unite all sections of the middle and left against the Wall Street Bourgeois Liberals.
Problem is she isnt running. Christ Maher begged her in an interview and offered to donate a million if she ran and she shut him down. There was no wiggle room she said no.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Kepler has already given up because he knows she aint running. He has already gone into full on Stockholm Syndrome and acquiesced to the Pantsuited Cyborg.
Kepler has already given up because he knows she aint running. He has already gone into full on Stockholm Syndrome and acquiesced to the Pantsuited Cyborg.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Let's just admit that the Democratic National Committee is clearing the field for Hillary and be done with it. Cause that's what's happening. Bernie sounds like Elizabeth, but he ain't Elizabeth. They've cleared the field. Now if the Dems can get the Senate back I see some significant power going Elizabeth's way. I'd love to see her with Itch's job in 2016.
Let's just admit that the Democratic National Committee is clearing the field for Hillary and be done with it. Cause that's what's happening. Bernie sounds like Elizabeth, but he ain't Elizabeth. They've cleared the field. Now if the Dems can get the Senate back I see some significant power going Elizabeth's way. I'd love to see her with Itch's job in 2016.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
I just don't feel this is right. Don't get me wrong -- it would be wonderful. But the US political system has showed us that we can't have nice things for 50 years now. Since 1968 we have basically had nothing but a sht sandwich, to the point that we're told to wet ourselves with celebration with Clinton or Obama, where the sht is at least warm. I may be a worn down cynic at this point, but I just can't believe that intelligent policies that would revive this country will ever get a fair chance. The corporatist interests that took control of this country beginning with Nixon and accelerating ever since are simply too strong.
I just don't feel this is right. Don't get me wrong -- it would be wonderful. But the US political system has showed us that we can't have nice things for 50 years now. Since 1968 we have basically had nothing but a sht sandwich, to the point that we're told to wet ourselves with celebration with Clinton or Obama, where the sht is at least warm. I may be a worn down cynic at this point, but I just can't believe that intelligent policies that would revive this country will ever get a fair chance. The corporatist interests that took control of this country beginning with Nixon and accelerating ever since are simply too strong.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Isn't all this 2016 talk moot? My neighbors keep assuring me that Obama is due to declare martial law any day now.
Isn't all this 2016 talk moot? My neighbors keep assuring me that Obama is due to declare martial law any day now.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Yes. And that's pretty lame, I'll admit it. Maybe it's time for me to "get out of the way":
Yes. And that's pretty lame, I'll admit it. Maybe it's time for me to "get out of the way":
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Shhhh. Ixne on the oupce.
Isn't all this 2016 talk moot? My neighbors keep assuring me that Obama is due to declare martial law any day now.
Shhhh. Ixne on the oupce.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
We can't have nice things? I thought Obama was supposed to be the shiny new nice thing? I agree, it sure didn't turn out that way, but that's what everyone told me.
We can't have nice things? I thought Obama was supposed to be the shiny new nice thing? I agree, it sure didn't turn out that way, but that's what everyone told me.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Bernie's starting to make the DNC sweat just a little. He was supposed to be a sop to the liberals while seeming like Al Lewis with even worse hair to the centrists, thus making the Spider Woman more palatable. But every time he speaks more people think, "um... I came here to laugh but actually that sounds pretty reasonable. Why can't we do that?" And that aint what the 1%ers who run both parties want to read over brunch at Tavern on the Green.
Bernie's starting to make the DNC sweat just a little. He was supposed to be a sop to the liberals while seeming like Al Lewis with even worse hair to the centrists, thus making the Spider Woman more palatable. But every time he speaks more people think, "um... I came here to laugh but actually that sounds pretty reasonable. Why can't we do that?" And that aint what the 1%ers who run both parties want to read over brunch at Tavern on the Green.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
I'm not bitter (sniff).
Obama was supposed to be nice things. He turned out to be... not so nice. Certainly a million times better for the country than the GOP, but as a liberal... uh, no.
I'm not bitter (sniff).
Obama was supposed to be nice things. He turned out to be... not so nice. Certainly a million times better for the country than the GOP, but as a liberal... uh, no.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Jade Helm's the dress rehearsal.
Isn't all this 2016 talk moot? My neighbors keep assuring me that Obama is due to declare martial law any day now.
Jade Helm's the dress rehearsal.
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
And the walking back of the dire Jade Helm theories begins.
And the walking back of the dire Jade Helm theories begins.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Sorry scooby, but you've been spending too much time toking it up in the van.
Hillary's machine is unstoppable on the Democratic side. Like Kep said, it will take a huge scandal... What's that?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-ties-world-cup-host-qatar-gave-millions.html
Huh...
Sorry scooby, but you've been spending too much time toking it up in the van.
Hillary's machine is unstoppable on the Democratic side. Like Kep said, it will take a huge scandal... What's that?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-ties-world-cup-host-qatar-gave-millions.html
Huh...
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Bernie's the perfect addition to the race. Keeps Dems honest, but not a bitter self-centered crank (ala Nader). The more he focuses attention to issues like paying for college, the minimum wage, and social security, the better the party does. A desperate media dying to take Clinton down will cover him extensively in the faint hopes he'll offer up some red meat (he won't) and instead get tricked into actually giving air time to a wonky policy discussion.
One of the better things Howard Dean did by taking the DNC reigns is it gave lefties the feeling that they had a voice. No coincidence they turned out in droves in a mid-term for once (2006) and kicked butt. Bernie does the same, presuming that he endorses Hillary upon her winning the nomination.
Saying Warren would do this and Warren would do that is a useless exercise. Its like speculating how Reagan's ghost would poll if it jumped in on the GOP side. Something amusing has happened though, and you can see it by reading the whiners over at daily kos. By my unscientific estimate, two months ago half the articles were Kep or Handy inspired about how Clinton was Bush in a pantsuit. Then the lamestream media started covering nonsense like the Clinton Cash book. Next thing you know the articles are running like 10 to 1 in her favor. Simply put, libs have rallied around Hillary thanks to a once again nonsensical right wing smear campaign.
So, I'm not trying to call the guy out as I appreciate his contributions to the discussion, but joecct really captures how older righties don't get it when it comes to both the Clintons and the media. Seeing an anti-Clinton story in the New York Times must mean she's on life support, because liberals worship the Times. Umm..no, liberals hate the Judith Miller/Iraq War proponent Times unless they're old enough to remember the Pentagon Papers release, which happened in like 1971. As there are more Dems than Republicans in the country, the trick is merely getting them to vote. 4 years and 20 congressional committee's investigating Benghazi is not going to bring one more Gooper to the voting booth, but its gonna bring a lot more Dems who were ambivalent about Clinton but will now become full fledged supporters just to stick it the people unfairly flogging this nonsense.
So, we're back to where this race has always been. 18 dwarfs on the GOP side trying to run further and further to the right in an extended primary season, only to have to pivot 180 degrees on a dime a few months before the general election. That's not going to be easy even for the most skilled politician.
Bernie's the perfect addition to the race. Keeps Dems honest, but not a bitter self-centered crank (ala Nader). The more he focuses attention to issues like paying for college, the minimum wage, and social security, the better the party does. A desperate media dying to take Clinton down will cover him extensively in the faint hopes he'll offer up some red meat (he won't) and instead get tricked into actually giving air time to a wonky policy discussion.
One of the better things Howard Dean did by taking the DNC reigns is it gave lefties the feeling that they had a voice. No coincidence they turned out in droves in a mid-term for once (2006) and kicked butt. Bernie does the same, presuming that he endorses Hillary upon her winning the nomination.
Saying Warren would do this and Warren would do that is a useless exercise. Its like speculating how Reagan's ghost would poll if it jumped in on the GOP side. Something amusing has happened though, and you can see it by reading the whiners over at daily kos. By my unscientific estimate, two months ago half the articles were Kep or Handy inspired about how Clinton was Bush in a pantsuit. Then the lamestream media started covering nonsense like the Clinton Cash book. Next thing you know the articles are running like 10 to 1 in her favor. Simply put, libs have rallied around Hillary thanks to a once again nonsensical right wing smear campaign.
So, I'm not trying to call the guy out as I appreciate his contributions to the discussion, but joecct really captures how older righties don't get it when it comes to both the Clintons and the media. Seeing an anti-Clinton story in the New York Times must mean she's on life support, because liberals worship the Times. Umm..no, liberals hate the Judith Miller/Iraq War proponent Times unless they're old enough to remember the Pentagon Papers release, which happened in like 1971. As there are more Dems than Republicans in the country, the trick is merely getting them to vote. 4 years and 20 congressional committee's investigating Benghazi is not going to bring one more Gooper to the voting booth, but its gonna bring a lot more Dems who were ambivalent about Clinton but will now become full fledged supporters just to stick it the people unfairly flogging this nonsense.
So, we're back to where this race has always been. 18 dwarfs on the GOP side trying to run further and further to the right in an extended primary season, only to have to pivot 180 degrees on a dime a few months before the general election. That's not going to be easy even for the most skilled politician.
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