unofan
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Of course he is.
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Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
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Of course he is.
Which is why I hope SCOTUS rules that each state can have its own marriage laws but must respect the marriage status of all its citizens.
unofan
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Not just for being a bad judge, which is ultimately what he's doing right now.
If SCOTUS rules as most expect it to, and he tells the state judiciary to ignore it, at most he could be impeached (which happened once before already). He most likely doesn't perform marriage ceremonies personally. If he does, and he refuses to do so for a gay couple, they could go to federal court and get an order against him. At that point, if he refused, he could be held in contempt.
The people who are between a rock and a hard place are the clerks/magistrates/whoever issues the licenses. They'll have SCOTUS saying one thing and their boss telling them another and getting conflicting orders from each. If they're smart they'll follow SCOTUS and deal with knucklehead and his orders as they come up, since ultimately SCOTUS gets the final call.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Jim Crow was also a Supreme Court ruling. Let's bring that back.
Jim Crow was also a Supreme Court ruling. Let's bring that back.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Nowhere in the 14th amendment is there anything pertaining to marriage.
Nowhere in the 14th amendment is there anything pertaining to marriage.
unofan
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Not going to happen. The whole recognition question basically became moot at oral argument, no one did much of anything with it. They all pretty much acknowledged that if they don't say it's required by the 14th, then they aren't going to say it requires recognition either.
They should just say "We reiterate Loving and apply it to sexual orientation just as we did race. The end."
Kennedy's going to write it, so it'll be pages of gobbledygook to get there. But that's all they need to say
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Somebody has to be on the hook for following the law or laws wouldn't get followed. If its the local judges/clerks/whatever are the ones ultimately responsible, so be it but again there has to some force of law, and I'd speculate it is violating civil rights.
Somebody has to be on the hook for following the law or laws wouldn't get followed. If its the local judges/clerks/whatever are the ones ultimately responsible, so be it but again there has to some force of law, and I'd speculate it is violating civil rights.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Moore is just an old curmudgeon living out his states' rights fantasies. He's a dying breed.
Moore is just an old curmudgeon living out his states' rights fantasies. He's a dying breed.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
As long as marriage has legal rights and benefits, yes it does.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Not dying fast enough. There are plenty of dingbats like him.
Not dying fast enough. There are plenty of dingbats like him.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
And speaking of dingbats...
... and here.
And speaking of dingbats...
... and here.
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From what I've seen on my few business trips to China, Fiorina is spot on.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
That may be, but a presidential candidate should probably not be quoted as saying that.
That may be, but a presidential candidate should probably not be quoted as saying that.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
I don't like her much at all but she's at least half right about that. Surely they aren't incapable of innovation but it's often cheaper and easier just to steal things. The last two fighter planes China rolled out have been comic ripoffs of yours and they even bragged about jacking a bunch of the technology. I don't have much of a problem with any candidate pointing this out in a general sense.
I don't like her much at all but she's at least half right about that. Surely they aren't incapable of innovation but it's often cheaper and easier just to steal things. The last two fighter planes China rolled out have been comic ripoffs of yours and they even bragged about jacking a bunch of the technology. I don't have much of a problem with any candidate pointing this out in a general sense.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Living under a repressive authoritarian regime for 70+ years takes a long time to unshackle the restricted, constricted thoughts that made for surviving such governments. With China only taking a half-measure in now allowing actual commerce, people have to be wary of what new ideas they put forth becuase a Chinaman might run afoul of the political branch of its government. That's very stifling indeed.
Living under a repressive authoritarian regime for 70+ years takes a long time to unshackle the restricted, constricted thoughts that made for surviving such governments. With China only taking a half-measure in now allowing actual commerce, people have to be wary of what new ideas they put forth becuase a Chinaman might run afoul of the political branch of its government. That's very stifling indeed.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
It has nothing to do with the Chinese or even the system they have and everything to do with the size of the technology gap. From Medieval Venice to 19th century Britain, whenever you're way ahead on the tech curve your stuff gets stolen. The US stole everything from the British Navy and the German chemical industry for 50 years when we were way behind. It has nothing to do with "entrepreneurship" or "central planning" or any other silliness -- it's purely an artifact of relative position.
It has nothing to do with the Chinese or even the system they have and everything to do with the size of the technology gap. From Medieval Venice to 19th century Britain, whenever you're way ahead on the tech curve your stuff gets stolen. The US stole everything from the British Navy and the German chemical industry for 50 years when we were way behind. It has nothing to do with "entrepreneurship" or "central planning" or any other silliness -- it's purely an artifact of relative position.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
So basically using spies in Civ5 on Immortal difficulty. Gotta catch up.
So basically using spies in Civ5 on Immortal difficulty. Gotta catch up.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!
Life is basically Civ, yes.
I've never even attempted Immortal. I'm impressed.
Life is basically Civ, yes.
I've never even attempted Immortal. I'm impressed.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Agreed. If I implied otherwise I certainly didn't mean to. Just used "easier and cheaper" as a catch-all re ways to play catch up.
dx -- also didn't wish to imply China was some motherlode of innovation. Merely that to declare it completely incapable as Fiorina did, is an inaccurate blanket generalization, imo. China obviously isn't the US when it comes to innovation, but it isn't Angola, either.
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