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Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

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Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Follow the money

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

It appears that the Clinton Money Machine has lots of money and many forks. Who knows where they lead to?

One thing is for certain - whomever holds the GPS is the winner.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Bernie's the perfect addition to the race. Keeps Dems honest, but not a bitter self-centered crank (ala Nader). The more he focuses attention to issues like paying for college, the minimum wage, and social security, the better the party does. A desperate media dying to take Clinton down will cover him extensively in the faint hopes he'll offer up some red meat (he won't) and instead get tricked into actually giving air time to a wonky policy discussion.

One of the better things Howard Dean did by taking the DNC reigns is it gave lefties the feeling that they had a voice. No coincidence they turned out in droves in a mid-term for once (2006) and kicked butt. Bernie does the same, presuming that he endorses Hillary upon her winning the nomination.

Saying Warren would do this and Warren would do that is a useless exercise. Its like speculating how Reagan's ghost would poll if it jumped in on the GOP side. Something amusing has happened though, and you can see it by reading the whiners over at daily kos. By my unscientific estimate, two months ago half the articles were Kep or Handy inspired about how Clinton was Bush in a pantsuit. Then the lamestream media started covering nonsense like the Clinton Cash book. Next thing you know the articles are running like 10 to 1 in her favor. Simply put, libs have rallied around Hillary thanks to a once again nonsensical right wing smear campaign.

So, I'm not trying to call the guy out as I appreciate his contributions to the discussion, but joecct really captures how older righties don't get it when it comes to both the Clintons and the media. Seeing an anti-Clinton story in the New York Times must mean she's on life support, because liberals worship the Times. Umm..no, liberals hate the Judith Miller/Iraq War proponent Times unless they're old enough to remember the Pentagon Papers release, which happened in like 1971. As there are more Dems than Republicans in the country, the trick is merely getting them to vote. 4 years and 20 congressional committee's investigating Benghazi is not going to bring one more Gooper to the voting booth, but its gonna bring a lot more Dems who were ambivalent about Clinton but will now become full fledged supporters just to stick it the people unfairly flogging this nonsense.

So, we're back to where this race has always been. 18 dwarfs on the GOP side trying to run further and further to the right in an extended primary season, only to have to pivot 180 degrees on a dime a few months before the general election. That's not going to be easy even for the most skilled politician.

This is actually pretty darn correct.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I dont think she is Bush in a pantsuit...I think she is a soul less robot who loves Wall Street and could give two craps about the poor or the middle class but she is not nearly as twatty as Dubya was.

Just because you and the Whiny Left sold yourself out and want to wear her skirt around your neck doesnt mean I have to. She will never get my vote.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I dont think she is Bush in a pantsuit...I think she is a soul less robot who loves Wall Street and could give two craps about the poor or the middle class but she is not nearly as twatty as Dubya was.

Just because you and the Whiny Left sold yourself out and want to wear her skirt around your neck doesnt mean I have to. She will never get my vote.


Handy, you will be assimilated! You're saying that now, but when a Walker/Cruz/whoever candidacy takes shape, and runs on a Christian version of the Taliban taking over in the US, you'll come around. :eek: ;)
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

when a Walker/Cruz/whoever candidacy takes shape, and runs on a Christian version of the Taliban taking over in the US, you'll come around.

The best Democratic campaign is the Republican campaign. As long as the GOP rides the crazy train, the Dems only need to field a competent slate. Since the Echo Chamber only turns the attention of the right deeper and deeper into its own navel, they respond to each loss by doubling down and believing they only need to be more extreme. That's the reductio ad absurdum of the fundamentalist mindset, from Kansas to Kabul.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I get that folks hate Clinton...and Bush...and well everyone. But there is usually one candidate that is omitted. It sounds like that's Sanders. So do folks really believe a Sanders administration is going to be superawesome? Or is much of this just an exercise of complaining to complain?
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I get that folks hate Clinton...and Bush...and well everyone. But there is usually one candidate that is omitted. It sounds like that's Sanders. So do folks really believe a Sanders administration is going to be superawesome? Or is much of this just an exercise of complaining to complain?

Sanders has a snowballs chance in hell of being President so I find this entire fantasy less than worthwhile. All he is is someone for Clinton to debate and agree with enough to get the base in line. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I get that folks hate Clinton...and Bush...and well everyone. But there is usually one candidate that is omitted. It sounds like that's Sanders. So do folks really believe a Sanders administration is going to be superawesome? Or is much of this just an exercise of complaining to complain?

It's just campaigning. Nothing's going to be different, because the appointed ones will still be there.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I get that folks hate Clinton...and Bush...and well everyone. But there is usually one candidate that is omitted. It sounds like that's Sanders. So do folks really believe a Sanders administration is going to be superawesome? Or is much of this just an exercise of complaining to complain?

A Sanders administration would be superawesome but it could not happen unless something fundamental (hint: bribery by the wealthy) changed in American politics.

Currently people don't hate Sanders because the only people paying any attention to him are people like me who lurve him. If he actually got any traction the corporatists and their shills in the media would assassinate his character, misrepresent his positions, and accuse him of everything from Stalinism to pedophilia to get people to flip the off switch on their brains again.

Sanders now is Ron Paul in June 2011. As with Paul, all the slander and backlash will get started the moment he polls above 5%.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

A Sanders administration would be superawesome but it could not happen unless something fundamental (hint: bribery by the wealthy) changed in American politics.

Currently people don't hate Sanders because the only people paying any attention to him are people like me who lurve him. If he actually got any traction the corporatists and their shills in the media would assassinate his character, misrepresent his positions, and accuse him of everything from Stalinism to pedophilia to get people to flip the off switch on their brains again.

Sanders now is Ron Paul in June 2011. As with Paul, all the slander and backlash will get started the moment he polls above 5%.

You don't have to wait that long. http://www.buzzfeed.com/katherinemi...essay-in-1972-about-rape-fantasies#.tn9ENEKnY
 
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People are always in love with a non-threatening candidate. I remember the ball washing the media gave Bill Bradley in 2000 and while I had nothing against the man I didn't understand why.

Regardless I see why Sanders is running, which is to get his issues discussed and maybe pull Hillary his way a little. I don't see why people like Pataki, Santorum, Huckleberry, Carson, Fiorina, Perry, etc etc etc are running unless they're just bored.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

People are always in love with a non-threatening candidate. I remember the ball washing the media gave Bill Bradley in 2000 and while I had nothing against the man I didn't understand why.

Regardless I see why Sanders is running, which is to get his issues discussed and maybe pull Hillary his way a little. I don't see why people like Pataki, Santorum, Huckleberry, Carson, Fiorina, Perry, etc etc etc are running unless they're just bored.

Sure. They're non-threatening until they're Nader. Then they're the destroyer of everything.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Sure. They're non-threatening until they're Nader. Then they're the destroyer of everything.



Ralphie was always a special kind of a-hole. Remember Sanders isn't launching an Indy bid. He's doing it the right way by trying to change the party from within. Kudos to him for doing so.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Regardless I see why Sanders is running, which is to get his issues discussed and maybe pull Hillary his way a little. I don't see why people like Pataki, Santorum, Huckleberry, Carson, Fiorina, Perry, etc etc etc are running unless they're just bored.

Carson and Fiorina are running to cash in on the Fox & Fiends gravy train. They're grifters.

Sanitarium and Huckleberry are running because they've got Messiah complexes and they think Gawd has anointed them to make America a Christian nation in the End Times or some other bumblefck nonsense.

Perry is running because 2000 is the precedent for a Texas moron to be elected president. Yi-ha.

Pataki I have absolutely no idea. Maybe he just misses the attention?
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I left Graham out on purpose because I get what he's doing - he's representing the neo-con "Iraq War Was A Great Idea" caucus. Unfortunately for him Bush has that covered since he's going to own it anyway. Maybe Pataki's doing the same thing. But, with the military wing of the party all but dead since I'm not sure any of the 18 running are actual war veterans, that leaves these factions:

Social conservative fundies: Cruz, Huckleberry, Carson, Sanitarium, Walker, Rubio, Perry.
Corporate stiffs: Cruz, Christie, Bush, Fiorina, Rubio, Perry, Kasich, Walker.
Weirdos: Paul, Carson, Huckleberry, Sanitarium, Perry

I'm missing a couple of them but whatever. Weirdos won't end up getting nominated, so you have to look for somebody who represents the fundies and the corporate stiffs. That's either 1) Cruz, 2) Walker, or 3) Rubio. I'm real curious how they differentiate themselves from one another.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

A Sanders administration would be superawesome....

Is this true? Isn't there a good chance that this is just a bundle of ideas ranging from very cool to somewhat bizarre? Personally I feel Obama was a much better candidate, politician, really everything than Sanders. But he didn't work out that way. I don't know that Sanders has anything that can take him any further.

Sanders now is Ron Paul in June 2011. As with Paul, all the slander and backlash will get started the moment he polls above 5%.

This I see. And there analogies with Paul could be more extensive than we're alluding here. If he has any staying power, we'll see.
 
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