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Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

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walrus said:
What if Bernie runs as 3rd party, would you vote for him?
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Yes.

Our check on the two-party system is we have the option of bypassing it. If we would not exercise that right, it's the same as if we don't have it. At that point this becomes a one party state where that party just happens to be given two names for the illusion of choice.

Bernie is probably the only third party candidate who is better than the mainstream Dems by a greater amount that the Dems are better than the GOP.

Therefore, I would vote for Third Party Bernie to preserve my right to cast a meaningful vote.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Minnesota might not go blue. There's always that chance.

Minnesota gets this reputation about being a solid Democratic state. It's definitely not "solidly" left. The second the DFL gets lazy, this state could flip.
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Minnesota is not going Red in a general...we hear this every election cycle and it never gets close. State elections it might (to go with your DFL being lazy thought which is why we got TPaw and Jesse for that matter) but in the general no chance. As long as Minneapolis is Blue so is the state.
 
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Handyman said:
Minnesota is going Blue anyways so I vote Bernie 3rd party! If the Cyborg loses then Rover can pretend Bernie and his supporters screwed her and not that she sucks and no one likes her. ;)
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This has probably already been explained here, but how does Bachmann happen in Minnesota? I realize she was in the House, but . . .
 
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burd said:
This has probably already been explained here, but how does Bachmann happen in Minnesota? I realize she was in the House, but . . .
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Gerrymandering?
 
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burd said:
This has probably already been explained here, but how does Bachmann happen in Minnesota? I realize she was in the House, but . . .
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The suburbs are mostly R in this state, thought most suburban districts are close-ish. If you look at Bachmann's district, it's replete with NW suburbs and a few ex-burbs that are the most conservative in the state. It would take a remarkably centrist D candidate to beat an established R, but they usually ran equally polarizing D candidates against her.
 
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The suburbs are mostly R in this state, thought most suburban districts are close-ish. If you look at Bachmann's district, it's replete with NW suburbs and a few ex-burbs that are the most conservative in the state. It would take a remarkably centrist D candidate to beat an established R, but they usually ran equally polarizing D candidates against her.
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Thanks, that's interesting. I can see why many of the 'burbs would be R, but Bachmann R is a different breed of cat. Is there a reason why this particular area so close to the Cities would be so conservative?
 
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And this is why the Clintons can not lead serious reform of this country's problems with wealth concentration.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, earned more than $139 million between 2007 and 2014, according to eight years of federal income tax returns released by her campaign on Friday.

The returns show that the Clintons paid an overall federal tax rate of 31.6 percent during those years. The bulk of the Clintons' income came from speeches delivered to corporate and interest groups by Bill Clinton and later by Hillary Clinton after she resigned as secretary of state in early 2013.

In a statement released by her campaign, Hillary Clinton said the couple has paid nearly $44 million in federal taxes on $139.1 million in income since 2006, and donated nearly $15 million to charity.
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St. Clown said:
The suburbs are mostly R in this state, thought most suburban districts are close-ish. If you look at Bachmann's district, it's replete with NW suburbs and a few ex-burbs that are the most conservative in the state. It would take a remarkably centrist D candidate to beat an established R, but they usually ran equally polarizing D candidates against her.
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Not quite.

The national GOP needs to win Dakota, Anoka and Washington, with many of the state's outer tier suburbs...and it hasn't. And the rest of outstate Minnesota breaks even. Once you know that, you know why Obama won the state. The cities have some trust in the local GOP but don't trust the national GOP.
 
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Handyman said:
Minnesota is not going Red in a general...we hear this every election cycle and it never gets close. State elections it might (to go with your DFL being lazy thought which is why we got TPaw and Jesse for that matter) but in the general no chance. As long as Minneapolis is Blue so is the state.
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Yep. Minneapolis' population and it's unions lean blue carrying Minnesota. Along with Detroit/Michigan, Chicago/Illinois. The suburbs of all those areas go bright red, which is how the local congressmen/representatives can be Repub while the state "votes" Dem for the president.
 
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aparch said:
Yep. Minneapolis' population and it's unions lean blue carrying Minnesota. Along with Detroit/Michigan, Chicago/Illinois. The suburbs of all those areas go bright red, which is how the local congressmen/representatives can be Repub while the state "votes" Dem for the president.
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Sounds exactly like PA.
 
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aparch said:
Yep. Minneapolis' population and it's unions lean blue carrying Minnesota. Along with Detroit/Michigan, Chicago/Illinois. The suburbs of all those areas go bright red, which is how the local congressmen/representatives can be Repub while the state "votes" Dem for the president.
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If there is strong union presence, Walker sure won't play well.
 
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burd said:
If there is strong union presence, Walker sure won't play well.
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Depends. The Dems tried sabotaging their own causes for the last month here in Illinois. The Republican governor Bruce Rauner wanted to pass the year long budget with some much needed cuts in it. Surprisingly, the cuts were (from what limited sources I've seen) supported by the unions, and other large groups who traditionally vote dem (threatening to halt state paychecks can cause that).

The Dems in Illinois want to keep passing month long bridge budgets as they slowly whittle away things, but don't want to reach Rauners levels of cuts. It's causing their largest supportive bases, the Unions around Chicago, to dislike their own party.

Going to be interesting if the budget impasse doesn't get solved before schools start up...
 
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Big fan of Uncle Joe (Biden that is, not Stalin ;)) however I don't see what he gives you different from Hillary policy or experience wise.

Beyond that, basing it on vote totals (yes, yes I know we don't decide elections that way, but bear with me) if Obama won by 5M votes when unemployement was 8% and we were in year 6 of a downturn, plus you're looking at a net vote swing of probably 3M towards Dem leans due to demographic changes, that's an 8M vote cusion to win in 2016. Meaning 8M people need to stay home next year for the GOP to hit parity. Not impossible, but that's asking a lot. Its not like the GOP has made any moves to appeal to the growing segments of the electorate, so its hoping for a mid-term turnout in a Presidential year. Has that ever happened?
 
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