Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I would predict a slightly depressed turnout out of righties if Jebbers! is the nominee. The notion that they'll all turn out is to assume they think rationally. I don't think the slightly lower turnout will be decisive, but after getting 2 mushy moderates in a row supposedly, giving a 3rd isn't going to make these people happy. Bush is now sinking into 3rd place in some polls and a circus clown is up double on him nationally for the nomination. I don't care how much money he soaks up, the people who should be supporting him just don't like the dude. He and Scott Walker have proven thus far, and its still early, to be having trouble breaking away from the pack.

Jeb! doesn't seem to have his heart in it the way Dubya did. Dubya was all about Earning Daddy's Respect, and he had Turd Blossom to do his thinking for him. Jeb! seems more like his dad: disconnected from and somewhat appalled by a political system that counts the votes of the poors. His operation is almost comically establishment, as if he did those lateral thinking exercises at interviews and then excluded anybody who showed creativity. I still think he's going to get the nomination, but by default. This GOP field is that bad.

 

[joecct]

I would predict a slightly depressed turnout out of righties if Jebbers! is the nominee. The notion that they'll all turn out is to assume they think rationally. I don't think the slightly lower turnout will be decisive, but after getting 2 mushy moderates in a row supposedly, giving a 3rd isn't going to make these people happy. Bush is now sinking into 3rd place in some polls and a circus clown is up double on him nationally for the nomination. I don't care how much money he soaks up, the people who should be supporting him just don't like the dude. He and Scott Walker have proven thus far, and its still early, to be having trouble breaking away from the pack.

Pat Buchanan did well early vs Bush41.

He still lost.

ADDENDUM: Speaking of Pat, he's in rare form today.

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2015/08/04/the-plot-to-destroy-nixon-n2034136

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Pat Buchanan did well early vs Bush41.

He still lost.

ADDENDUM: Speaking of Pat, he's in rare form today.

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2015/08/04/the-plot-to-destroy-nixon-n2034136

Man, he is STILL butthurt, not to mention in a delusional state of denial.

Your guy was a paranoid criminal and he got nailed, Pat. His trail of slime goes all the way back to Orange County, and it epitomized his career. It's really no more complicated than that, and all your wriggling on the hook only confirms the jaw dropping arrogance and disassociation with reality that the Nixonites had.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I am amused when they take a poll showing everybody with a net unfavorable rating (who's reasonably well known)! What are we going to do, not elect anybody?

General election match-ups are obviously very early, but they aren't totally useless. Back in 1999, Bush was crushing Gore by 15 points. Why does this matter? Because the country had already gotten comfortable in its mind with the idea of Bush as Prez. When you take polls now, no one on the GOP side gets out of the low 40's saying to me at this point the country is not confortable with Bush/Walker,etc as President. Not saying they won't eventually get there, but that's one more thing Bush Jr didn't have to deal with that they will have to.

 

[joecct]

I am amused when they take a poll showing everybody with a net unfavorable rating (who's reasonably well known)! What are we going to do, not elect anybody?

General election match-ups are obviously very early, but they aren't totally useless. Back in 1999, Bush was crushing Gore by 15 points. Why does this matter? Because the country had already gotten comfortable in its mind with the idea of Bush as Prez. When you take polls now, no one on the GOP side gets out of the low 40's saying to me at this point the country is not confortable with Bush/Walker,etc as President. Not saying they won't eventually get there, but that's one more thing Bush Jr didn't have to deal with that they will have to.

One man's (political) fantasy - a four-way election involving an independent from each side.

How many Millard Fillmore high schools are there??

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

And here i was thinking that if it's a Clinton-Bush election, we'd see depressed turnout on both sides.

Personally, I think there's no way we see a depressed turnout. Turnout not about the candidates these days...its about polarizing worldviews hyped by media bias. Its not like both sides are saying 'yeah, Eisenhower would be acceptable'.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Personally, I think there's no way we see a depressed turnout. Turnout not about the candidates these days...its about polarizing worldviews hyped by media bias. Its not like both sides are saying 'yeah, Eisenhower would be acceptable'.

Agreed.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I am amused when they take a poll showing everybody with a net unfavorable rating (who's reasonably well known)! What are we going to do, not elect anybody?

General election match-ups are obviously very early, but they aren't totally useless. Back in 1999, Bush was crushing Gore by 15 points. Why does this matter? Because the country had already gotten comfortable in its mind with the idea of Bush as Prez. When you take polls now, no one on the GOP side gets out of the low 40's saying to me at this point the country is not confortable with Bush/Walker,etc as President. Not saying they won't eventually get there, but that's one more thing Bush Jr didn't have to deal with that they will have to.

The rule of thumb I have heard is your negatives never go down, so if your negatives get above 50 you're toast. It's like your games behind in the loss column -- you can never get them back.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

And here i was thinking that if it's a Clinton-Bush election, we'd see depressed turnout on both sides. Nobody's really excited for either candidate, it's more like people are resigning themselves to the choices. If Trump gets on the ticket, expect low GOP turnout with high Dem turnout as only the base will really want Trump, but every liberal out there will want to crush him like Oprah does to a bag of Oreos.

I agree 100%. Trump will be the best thing that happened to whoever runs as a Dem because there is no way anyone in the middle or to the left will risk that loonie being the representative of this country to the world.

Of course Scooby will predict he wins

 

[joecct]

I agree 100%. Trump will be the best thing that happened to whoever runs as a Dem because there is no way anyone in the middle or to the left will risk that loonie being the representative of this country to the world.

Of course Scooby will predict he wins

Then again the people of Minnesota elected Jesse Ventura

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I still don't see the guy getting the nomination, but you gotta LOVE how he's making pundidiots heads explode! They predict his demise with haughty certainty every week. Some idiots are thinking the debates will be the end of him. Why? He's had more time in the spotlight than all the rest of them combined. So, sorry if the guy isn't the Republican Jesus the lamestream media is always pining for (Jebbers! probably comes closest - old, white, tall, rich, Anglo last name) but he's where the GOP base is right now.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Then again the people of Minnesota elected Jesse Ventura

This came to mind last night when I realized that the tone of the Trump campaign is EXACTLY like Ventura's was (I was living in Mpls at the time). I scoffed at his chances right up until election night and have wondered since, what exactly happened. It blew me away that he somehow got elected. Is the whole U.S. as easy to manipulate as Minnesota?

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Then again the people of Minnesota elected Jesse Ventura

Jesse circa 1999 was not the same person as Jesse circa 2015.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

This came to mind last night when I realized that the tone of the Trump campaign is EXACTLY like Ventura's was (I was living in Mpls at the time). I scoffed at his chances right up until election night and have wondered since, what exactly happened. It blew me away that he somehow got elected. Is the whole U.S. as easy to manipulate as Minnesota?

It also happened because of a 3-way split, right?

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

It also happened because of a 3-way split, right?

Yes, he was bashing both parties pretty equally. But the mavericky, speak truth to power schtick was just like Trump, while actually he never planned any policy beyond the "rappel into the State House from a helicopter" thing.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I saw a poll today on the silent news in the gym that Hillary's support among white women has suddenly dropped - I think it was from 43 to 53% "unfavorable". Did she say something offensive, or are white women seriously infatuated with the Donald? Or what?

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

And people say Fox is a conservative organization. Tell Craig James that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/craig-james-has-filed-suit-against-fox-sports-two-years-after-his-firing-184333071.html

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Yes, he was bashing both parties pretty equally. But the mavericky, speak truth to power schtick was just like Trump, while actually he never planned any policy beyond the "rappel into the State House from a helicopter" thing.

Jesse was also able to make a campaign based upon a grass roots appearance, and that he was an average Joe who just didn't like the same two parties running everything. People ignored the reports on his personal wealth being somewhere in the millions, and took him at face value with his low action figure budget commercials. (Seriously, he had GI Joe like dolls made up to use in his commercials as kids used "tough guy" voices to deliver the scripts.)

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

And people say Fox is a conservative organization. Tell Craig James that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/craig-james-has-filed-suit-against-fox-sports-two-years-after-his-firing-184333071.html

Fox Sports and Fox News share nothing but the first 3 letters.

Remember, they are both run to maximize profit. On their political division that's fleecing the knucks. On their sports division they're exactly the same as any media conglomerate and they don't want his brand of crazy.

I've long maintained that if the herpa-derps ever knew what the Fox News corporate office actually thinks of them they'd burn the organization to the ground. They regard them as useful idiots and a ready market for their products. Nothing more.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Fox Sports and Fox News share nothing but the first 3 letters.

Remember, they are both run to maximize profit. On their political division that's fleecing the knucks. On their sports division they're exactly the same as any media conglomerate and they don't want his brand of crazy.

I've long maintained that if the herpa-derps ever knew what the Fox News corporate office actually thinks of them they'd burn the organization to the ground. They regard them as useful idiots and a ready market for their products. Nothing more.

didn't expect you to address the substance. you didn't disappoint, so to speak.