Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

[bronconick]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Graham was on message throughout, telling the hosts that he was committed to sending American troops back to Iraq to destroy the Islamic State.

Co-host Steve Doocy had to cut in.

“It’s a tough message,” Doocy said. “A lot of people are just worn out by war.”

“Well, don’t vote for me,” Graham said.

....okay.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I see Scooby is as wacko as always.

Medicare Part D.

The ******* didn't even pay for it.

Meanwhile Obamacare is a conservative piece of **** plan.

So, for Health Care. Bush = Liberal. Obama = Conservative.

War = Same Same

Military Complex = Same Same

Spending. Bush = Liberal. Obama = Conservative.

I rest my ****ing case.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/politics/ted-cruz-joe-biden-joke-apology/index.html

What an a hole.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Peasants with pitchforks?

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Scooby, why even bother with him?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think the best question to ask right now is if the Dems get another White House bid are we actually going to see some progressive reforms. Or is it going to be more of this same BS?

I dunno.

As for Bob. Not sure. I think I just bother with everyone regardless so I guess that's why.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I think the best question to ask right now is if the Dems get another White House bid are we actually going to see some progressive reforms. Or is it going to be more of this same BS?

I dunno.

As for Bob. Not sure. I think I just bother with everyone regardless so I guess that's why.

Once you begin to understand that there is no long-term difference between the two parties, you will have the answer to your question.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Once you begin to understand that there is no long-term difference between the two parties, you will have the answer to your question.

Actually I totally disagree with that assessment. The Republican party is just plain dangerous. I know the Dems aren't far behind them but it's enough for me to want to avoid the other guys like the plague.

 

[SJHovey]

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Where Obama has failed is on rolling back the surveillance state and the military-intelligence complex.

I don't believe you'll ever see a sitting President do this, and here's my theory why.

Once you get elected, all of the intelligence agencies and the military start feeding you all this information about bad guys, plots, military build ups, secret weapons testing going on overseas, all kinds of "scary" stuff. No President (or any person for that matter) will ever say "stop telling me this stuff." Instead, the natural reaction is "I gotta know about this."

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Actually I totally disagree with that assessment. The Republican party is just plain dangerous. I know the Dems aren't far behind them but it's enough for me to want to avoid the other guys like the plague.

Because you know you'll get tyranny with the Democrats, whereas they're more subtle about tyranny when it comes to the Republicans?

You were talking about "more of this same BS" as an option, which means you do see merit in my comment, even in the smallest degree. Sometimes, it takes a changing of the guard to understand that things really aren't all that different. The only thing that has changed is the person's name and the letter at the end of it. All of the fundamentals are still there. There's still war mongering, unconstitutional tyranny through the PATRIOT Act and now the FREEDOM Act, and industrial complexes used to push the oppression while keeping plausible deniability (remember, one of the defense high-ups was formerly an exec with Raytheon). Take a look back into your past, especially between 2006 and 2010. Those things you cheered in 2009 and 2010 you may find were the same as what you lambasted in 2006-2008; only difference is the letter at the end of the dude's name. That is the moment I awoke, and if you wait until 2018 to do the same, it may be too late.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I don't believe you'll ever see a sitting President do this, and here's my theory why.

Once you get elected, all of the intelligence agencies and the military start feeding you all this information about bad guys, plots, military build ups, secret weapons testing going on overseas, all kinds of "scary" stuff. No President (or any person for that matter) will ever say "stop telling me this stuff." Instead, the natural reaction is "I gotta know about this."

Intelligence and acting upon the intelligence are two very different things. Sure, you may know about said "scary" stuff, but there is plenty of other "scary stuff" on the domestic front related to it, such as the people that are invested in said plans (such as Bilderberg), and the influence they have on your ability to be privileged to this information should you do "the wrong thing" with it. Kennedy and Nixon learned this the hard way.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Because you know you'll get tyranny with the Democrats, whereas they're more subtle about tyranny when it comes to the Republicans?

You were talking about "more of this same BS" as an option, which means you do see merit in my comment, even in the smallest degree. Sometimes, it takes a changing of the guard to understand that things really aren't all that different. The only thing that has changed is the person's name and the letter at the end of it. All of the fundamentals are still there. There's still war mongering, unconstitutional tyranny through the PATRIOT Act and now the FREEDOM Act, and industrial complexes used to push the oppression while keeping plausible deniability (remember, one of the defense high-ups was formerly an exec with Raytheon). Take a look back into your past, especially between 2006 and 2010. Those things you cheered in 2009 and 2010 you may find were the same as what you lambasted in 2006-2008; only difference is the letter at the end of the dude's name. That is the moment I awoke, and if you wait until 2018 to do the same, it may be too late.

Dems wouldn't have started in Iraq. They can't get out of anywhere because Powell's Pottery Barn rule is so true, but they never would have went there in the first place.
Republicans want the war machine everywhere. We'd have troops on the ground in Syria right now if we had a Repub.
Republican policies domestically are an unmitigated disaster. From Wisconsin, to Kansas.

Thus, I find enough difference in the parties to see a distinction.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Dems wouldn't have started in Iraq. They can't get out of anywhere because Powell's Pottery Barn rule is so true, but they never would have went there in the first place.
Republicans want the war machine everywhere. We'd have troops on the ground in Syria right now if we had a Repub.
Republican policies domestically are an unmitigated disaster. From Wisconsin, to Kansas.

Thus, I find enough difference in the parties to see a distinction.

Dems wouldn't start in Iraq? Tell that to Clinton in 1998. They would have also sent troops in the early 2000's. Why? The millennial generation is too large, so they have to have a conscripted army to thin it out, just like Vietnam. I'm honestly shocked they didn't activate selective service this time around; maybe they figured the millennial generation was pacified and lazy enough to not need to do so, or they were too busy wasting their money at party- er "educational" institutions to be able to get anyone. Ever wonder why there always seems to be a war every 30 or so years?

 

[Kepler]

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Credit where it's due. This is a good idea, and she gets full credit for using her campaign as a pulpit for it

"Everyone, every young man or young woman, in every state in the union should be automatically registered to vote when they turn 18—unless they actively choose to opt out. But I believe this would have a profound impact on our elections and our democracy. Between a quarter and a third of all eligible Americans remain unregistered and therefore unable to vote."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Credit where it's due. This is a good idea, and she gets full credit for using her campaign as a pulpit for it

I see the GOP went full derp on it and popped a bolt. Hell of a combination for one press release.

The Republican National Committee accused Clinton of being “misleading and divisive,” and noted that her home state of New York does not provide early voting. “Her exploitation of this issue only underscores why voters find her dishonest and untrustworthy,” RNC spokesman Orlando Watson said in a statement.

There are differences.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

There are differences.

There are.

The refutation of the "not a dime's worth of difference" argument is:

+ imagine what 8 years of Dem presidents with super-majorities in both chambers would do
+ imagine what 8 years of GOP presidents with super-majorities in both chambers would do

There are very important differences in the parties, particularly in the current configuration where there are other sociological and regional alignments with the politics of the parties. While I fall outside the spectrum of the parties so that both are to the right of me, that doesn't mean they are "the same." 20 and 20,000 are larger than 13, but 20 does not equal 20,000.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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There are.

The refutation of the "not a dime's worth of difference" argument is:

+ imagine what 8 years of Dem presidents with super-majorities in both chambers would do
+ imagine what 8 years of GOP presidents with super-majorities in both chambers would do

There are very important differences in the parties, particularly in the current configuration where there are other sociological and regional alignments with the politics of the parties. While I fall outside the spectrum of the parties so that both are to the right of me, that doesn't mean they are "the same." 20 and 20,000 are larger than 13, but 20 does not equal 20,000.

I'm still trying to understand how Clinton's announcement is "misleading and divisive"? It's like the Republican Party has no idea what the Republican Party stands for when it comes to voting.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm still trying to understand how Clinton's announcement is "misleading and divisive"? It's like the Republican Party has no idea what the Republican Party stands for when it comes to voting.

"The villain thinks he's the hero in a different movie."

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Credit where it's due. This is a good idea, and she gets full credit for using her campaign as a pulpit for it

Oh, like nothing bad could come from that. Ever hear of ACORN?

 

[SJHovey]

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Credit where it's due. This is a good idea, and she gets full credit for using her campaign as a pulpit for it

I'm not sure I get the "profound impact" on elections or our democracy.

I mean seriously, how difficult is it to figure out how to register to vote, and how little effort does it really require to do so? That's why between a quarter and one third of eligible Americans remain unregistered???? Personally, I'm going with the deadly three of laziness, apathy and stupidity. Automatic registration won't cure any of those.

And that raises another question. If you're too lazy, apathetic or stupid to even figure out how to vote in this country, do we want you voting in this country??? Those are the easy questions, people.