Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Now there, I can tell you're being humorous on this one. Well played.
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Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools?
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Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
It is gospel truth in Iowa, if in very few other places. I think this is one of those that here on the board we pretty much all, regardless of political outlook, think ethanol is a loser and shouldn't be propped up by the feds. But, when currying favor in Iowa, it's tough to not cater to the locals, regardless of how offbase they are on an issue. I recall some candidate (can't recall who) in a past election that said ethanol was a loser and they didn't put much effort into Iowa due to the locals being ticked at the comments on ethanol. I don't know how that turned out, but I respected the move at the time.Ugh. Shameless. Somewhere, Dick Gephardt smiles.
The sad thing is the locals actually believe it -- they're not being cynical. Final GF before Dr. Mrs. was an Iowa State lass -- very smart, M. Sci in Computer Science, etc... And she'd argue up hill and down dale that ethanol really was an efficient, cost-effective renewable.
She was a Republican, too, though, so maybe I shouldn't have been surprised.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Agree with one she is awesome, disagree with other, ugly and stupid
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Probably some truth to that. However, I find myself disagreeing with Rachel quite a bit. I also don't always disagree with Megyn. It's the presentation for me and the willingness not to shout down the other side. It's also the professionalism of one vs. the other. IMO the way she asked Trump questions in the debate was as unprofessional as it gets.
But, you want to just put me in the bias box. So be it. I used to be a huge O'Reilly guy. Loved the show. But, when I figured out what "No Spin Zone" truly meant I moved elsewhere.
Probably some truth to that. However, I find myself disagreeing with Rachel quite a bit. I also don't always disagree with Megyn. It's the presentation for me and the willingness not to shout down the other side. It's also the professionalism of one vs. the other. IMO the way she asked Trump questions in the debate was as unprofessional as it gets.
But, you want to just put me in the bias box. So be it. I used to be a huge O'Reilly guy. Loved the show. But, when I figured out what "No Spin Zone" truly meant I moved elsewhere.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Fascinating take on Trump...
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trump-just-stopped-being-funny-20150821
Fascinating take on Trump...
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trump-just-stopped-being-funny-20150821
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Great article.
The stupid has been rattling its cage for three decades. It started with Reagan's dumbing-down, accelerated with Newt and the Impeachment hearings, kicked into overdrive with Dubya, and then grabbed onto racist argle-bargle with Birtherism. And finally it's joining up with conspiracy theories like Jade Helm and good old nativism with anti-immigration.
About 25% of the population has been primed for full-on totalitarianism by three decades of right-wing irresponsibility. They rode that tiger and fed it and inflamed it. And while it's only just dessert that the tiger mauls the right first, it's coming for all of us. The #1 task of civilization, before anything else, is to protect the rest of us from the substantial minority of our fellows who never came down from the trees.
Great article.
The stupid has been rattling its cage for three decades. It started with Reagan's dumbing-down, accelerated with Newt and the Impeachment hearings, kicked into overdrive with Dubya, and then grabbed onto racist argle-bargle with Birtherism. And finally it's joining up with conspiracy theories like Jade Helm and good old nativism with anti-immigration.
About 25% of the population has been primed for full-on totalitarianism by three decades of right-wing irresponsibility. They rode that tiger and fed it and inflamed it. And while it's only just dessert that the tiger mauls the right first, it's coming for all of us. The #1 task of civilization, before anything else, is to protect the rest of us from the substantial minority of our fellows who never came down from the trees.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Drinking the kool-aide
Call everyone who doesn't agree with you stupid and change the verbiage to make your argument better. Taibbi blather.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Not at all. There are plenty of people we don't agree with who are intelligent. But what Trump is dredging up out of the deep is that ugly substrata that every society has, and that The Authoritarian Personality described. They're the foot soldiers for Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and every radical movement. They aren't left or right -- they're just a sort of living embodiment of blind resentment that will allow itself to be used in service of The Cause. We should all be scared sheetless of them -- don't think for a moment that if you have some sort of ideational equivalence with them you'll be safe, because the ideas aren't important, only the action is, and the action is invariably catastrophically violent.
Not at all. There are plenty of people we don't agree with who are intelligent. But what Trump is dredging up out of the deep is that ugly substrata that every society has, and that The Authoritarian Personality described. They're the foot soldiers for Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and every radical movement. They aren't left or right -- they're just a sort of living embodiment of blind resentment that will allow itself to be used in service of The Cause. We should all be scared sheetless of them -- don't think for a moment that if you have some sort of ideational equivalence with them you'll be safe, because the ideas aren't important, only the action is, and the action is invariably catastrophically violent.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
I'm saying they are on both sides. However when disgruntled negros burn their own neighborhoods and shoot cops it is enlightened and when moron southie punks roll a homeless Hispanic guy they are offspring of pol pot.
When you ignore the idiocy in your own house or worse yet justify it, any concrete argument you try to enlist falls flat. And worst of all you help fire up the idiots on the other side.
Us vs them is the same whether it is white/black, rich/poor, or citizen/illegal
I'm saying they are on both sides. However when disgruntled negros burn their own neighborhoods and shoot cops it is enlightened and when moron southie punks roll a homeless Hispanic guy they are offspring of pol pot.
When you ignore the idiocy in your own house or worse yet justify it, any concrete argument you try to enlist falls flat. And worst of all you help fire up the idiots on the other side.
Us vs them is the same whether it is white/black, rich/poor, or citizen/illegal
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Is Scooby try to argue how great Rachel is? She reports both sides well? Hahahahahahaha! I had to control myself not to burst out in laughter at that one. She may be smart but her reporting is heavily biased and only a crazy lefty like Scooby would think otherwise.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
She is a tv entertainer. That's all
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Problem with lefties is they only decry this when it's someone like Trump, not their own nut jobs (of course by their definition nobody on the left, pretty much, is nuts, just those on the right, so I'll cover that one off the bat).
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
If someone wants to be an entertainer, there are probably better places than a "news" shown on MSNBC. But maybe some find that stuff entertaining? Strange world we live in.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
MSNBC is entertainment tv with beauty-challenged stars
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
This coming from the guy who thinks the Supreme Court is leftist. I reset my case.
This coming from the guy who thinks the Supreme Court is leftist. I reset my case.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Who do you consider to be a nut job on the left?
Who do you consider to be a nut job on the left?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
"Washington is Hollywood for ugly people."
"Washington is Hollywood for ugly people."
Foxton
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
It would be easier to ask him to list those he doesn't consider to be a left wing nut job.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
There's a difference between thinking somebody is x and thinking they are "nut job x." For instance: Chris Christie is right, Paul Ryan is far right, Ted Cruz is nut job right.
By that measure, Martin O'Malley is left, Bernie Sanders is far left, but I don't know who is nut job left. I guess the folks at the American Communist Party? It would help to have an objective definition of "nut jobbery."
The striking condition of the current American political spectrum is ideas formerly espoused only by crank groups like the John Birch Society or the Foundation for Economic Education are now voiced inside the mainstream Republican party itself. The left was like that in the 70s, but since then the Democrats have been solidly centrist. On most policies, the Democratic center-point is the national center-point, while the GOP center-point skews right or even far right (and, on creationism and climate change, nut job right). The GOP used to be very successful at holding ranks, trading centrist support for far right positions for far right support for centrist positions. This has only broken down in the last 6 years or so.
There's a difference between thinking somebody is x and thinking they are "nut job x." For instance: Chris Christie is right, Paul Ryan is far right, Ted Cruz is nut job right.
By that measure, Martin O'Malley is left, Bernie Sanders is far left, but I don't know who is nut job left. I guess the folks at the American Communist Party? It would help to have an objective definition of "nut jobbery."
The striking condition of the current American political spectrum is ideas formerly espoused only by crank groups like the John Birch Society or the Foundation for Economic Education are now voiced inside the mainstream Republican party itself. The left was like that in the 70s, but since then the Democrats have been solidly centrist. On most policies, the Democratic center-point is the national center-point, while the GOP center-point skews right or even far right (and, on creationism and climate change, nut job right). The GOP used to be very successful at holding ranks, trading centrist support for far right positions for far right support for centrist positions. This has only broken down in the last 6 years or so.
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Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Coinciding with the regimes of the current Speaker and Majority Leader. Both need to go.
Coinciding with the regimes of the current Speaker and Majority Leader. Both need to go.
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