Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Providing we kill them first.
Providing we kill them first.
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Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Neither Mitch, nor Obama are conservatives. You need to stop kidding yourself that Obama is a righty just because he's largely continued Dubya's foreign policies (though obviously, if McCain or Romney was in office right now, we'd have sent ground forces into Syria and back into Iraq).
Neither Mitch, nor Obama are conservatives. You need to stop kidding yourself that Obama is a righty just because he's largely continued Dubya's foreign policies (though obviously, if McCain or Romney was in office right now, we'd have sent ground forces into Syria and back into Iraq).
unofan
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Would Nixon be considered conservative today? The man started the EPA.
I guess historically speaking, I don't see Obama's policies being much left of Nixon's. His goals and ambitions may have been, but in practice I'm not seeing it.
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
If McCain or Romney were in office, we may very well not have needed ground forces in Syria at all because we would have first taken out the entire Syrian air force over two years ago using air power and Tomahawk missiles, and then they would have supplied the "moderates" with arms well before the extremists moved into the battle. Their "red line" would have been more than empty rhetoric. The battle there might already be over by now rather than just starting
And there would be no sending forces "back" into Iraq as they never would have been fully withdrawn in the first place.
Funny how people complain about keeping troops in Iraq...we still have troops in South Korea that haven't left * since the 1950s and we still have troops in Germany that haven't left * since the 1940s.
You forgot to mention how Russia probably would not have invaded eastern Ukraine if Romney or McCain were President as well.
Teddy Roosevelt said "speak softly and carry a big stick." Not, "make fancy speeches and do nothing else."
* well, okay, the individual troops have left, I should have said we have maintained troops in those places....
If McCain or Romney were in office, we may very well not have needed ground forces in Syria at all because we would have first taken out the entire Syrian air force over two years ago using air power and Tomahawk missiles, and then they would have supplied the "moderates" with arms well before the extremists moved into the battle. Their "red line" would have been more than empty rhetoric. The battle there might already be over by now rather than just starting
And there would be no sending forces "back" into Iraq as they never would have been fully withdrawn in the first place.
Funny how people complain about keeping troops in Iraq...we still have troops in South Korea that haven't left * since the 1950s and we still have troops in Germany that haven't left * since the 1940s.
You forgot to mention how Russia probably would not have invaded eastern Ukraine if Romney or McCain were President as well.
Teddy Roosevelt said "speak softly and carry a big stick." Not, "make fancy speeches and do nothing else."
* well, okay, the individual troops have left, I should have said we have maintained troops in those places....
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
And if Gore had been elected, we wouldn't have had to deal with the power vacuum in the region to begin with, and might have avoided the entire travesty of the GWOT as his people would have taken warnings about AQ flying planes into buildings seriously.
That game works both ways. You should probably let it go.
And if Gore had been elected, we wouldn't have had to deal with the power vacuum in the region to begin with, and might have avoided the entire travesty of the GWOT as his people would have taken warnings about AQ flying planes into buildings seriously.
That game works both ways. You should probably let it go.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Nixon would be un-electable in today's GOP. Started the EPA, proposed national healthcare w/ subsidies (haven't heard that idea before), expanded food stamps, raised the minimum wage, conceded the Vietnam War, negotiated with enemy governments on their soil, etc.
Nixon would be un-electable in today's GOP. Started the EPA, proposed national healthcare w/ subsidies (haven't heard that idea before), expanded food stamps, raised the minimum wage, conceded the Vietnam War, negotiated with enemy governments on their soil, etc.
trixR4kids
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Well no, that money is clearly being spent wisely on margarita machines and kegs.
Well no, that money is clearly being spent wisely on margarita machines and kegs.
unofan
Well-known member
Yes he'd never make it out of a GOP primary, but was he a conservative? Because if he was, then so is Obama.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Raising the minimum wage? Heck, Nixon floated a national minimum income. Can you imagine the screams of Dirty Pinko Commie if a Democrat breathed anything like that today?
In the 20th century the owner class needed a large, skilled lower middle class to work in factories and fight wars. Now that they have learned to outsource jobs and can fight wars by pressing buttons, there is no longer an incentive for the feudal lords to sprinkle scraps to the peasantry. Democracy might be a short anomaly in world history unless we take the little time and energy we have left and force them to accept limits again.
Raising the minimum wage? Heck, Nixon floated a national minimum income. Can you imagine the screams of Dirty Pinko Commie if a Democrat breathed anything like that today?
In the 20th century the owner class needed a large, skilled lower middle class to work in factories and fight wars. Now that they have learned to outsource jobs and can fight wars by pressing buttons, there is no longer an incentive for the feudal lords to sprinkle scraps to the peasantry. Democracy might be a short anomaly in world history unless we take the little time and energy we have left and force them to accept limits again.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Kepler,
If Warren will set off the nut job herpa derps just you wait until Hillary is there. It will make the Obama hate look like a rally for the United Negro College Fund. She cant help but make people dislike her even when she tries to act like just a normal person. Nothing beat when she called Obama elitist...takes one to know one Hillary!
Here is hoping for Ryan v. Hillary...I will write in Montgomery Brewster and call it a day.
Kepler,
If Warren will set off the nut job herpa derps just you wait until Hillary is there. It will make the Obama hate look like a rally for the United Negro College Fund. She cant help but make people dislike her even when she tries to act like just a normal person. Nothing beat when she called Obama elitist...takes one to know one Hillary!
Here is hoping for Ryan v. Hillary...I will write in Montgomery Brewster and call it a day.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
The last actual Republican conservative was Gerald Ford (the dumb version) or Robert Taft (the smart version). Since then it's been Hissy Northeast Establishment Twits (Buckley, Bush Senior), Troglodytes Trawled from the Scriptural Slime (the Teahadists and any southerner) and Con Men with Nice Hair (Reagan, Newt, Dubya, Cruz).
The last actual Republican conservative was Gerald Ford (the dumb version) or Robert Taft (the smart version). Since then it's been Hissy Northeast Establishment Twits (Buckley, Bush Senior), Troglodytes Trawled from the Scriptural Slime (the Teahadists and any southerner) and Con Men with Nice Hair (Reagan, Newt, Dubya, Cruz).
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Does this mean NH is smarter than NY (H. Clinton) when it comes to carpetbaggers?
Does this mean NH is smarter than NY (H. Clinton) when it comes to carpetbaggers?
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
I'll put $20 on the under.
I'll put $20 on the under.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
How about: "Socially liberal; fiscally conservative*."
*With their money; willing to spend the other guy's.
How about: "Socially liberal; fiscally conservative*."
*With their money; willing to spend the other guy's.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
No one they voted into office last night is fiscally conservative so I doubt that's the deal. In fact Brownback is fiscally reckless.
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Whew - that election was uglier than watching two conservatives trying to mate!
I blamed Reid for the 2010 election but this one is squarely on Obama. This whole "above the fray" crap doesn't work. Being President is a natually political job. You can't be aloof about it or your supporters won't show up at the polls, which is exactly what happened yesterday. Frankly I can't blame them. Whether you have a GOP or Dem Senate there seems to be little ability to get things done so why bother showing up to vote seemed to be the attitude.
Whew - that election was uglier than watching two conservatives trying to mate!
I blamed Reid for the 2010 election but this one is squarely on Obama. This whole "above the fray" crap doesn't work. Being President is a natually political job. You can't be aloof about it or your supporters won't show up at the polls, which is exactly what happened yesterday. Frankly I can't blame them. Whether you have a GOP or Dem Senate there seems to be little ability to get things done so why bother showing up to vote seemed to be the attitude.
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Where's Barry Goldwater in your rather colorfully constructed list?
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
That'd be sweet.
We could check off both "first woman President" and "first native American President" off the list.
That'd be sweet.
We could check off both "first woman President" and "first native American President" off the list.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Don't the first two words of that sentence pretty much call into question any judgments about people by her that follow?
Don't the first two words of that sentence pretty much call into question any judgments about people by her that follow?
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Teach them to fish.
Teach them to fish.
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