Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

[unofan]

And bad news for everybody.

Just what we need. Now there will be arms races for judgeships.

It will get worse before it gets better.

I still can't believe some states elect judges. The appointed + retention vote system isn't perfect, but seems way better.

 

[Old Pio]

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I still can't believe some states elect judges. The appointed + retention vote system isn't perfect, but seems way better.

Kochaphobia uber alles. LOL. Good thing Dems would never stoop to such tactics. However, when I first moved to Texas it was quite a shock to learn that judges are elected on partisan ballots. And an even bigger shock to see Joe Jamail (among many others) prowling around with bags full of money for favored candidate. 60 Minutes did a profile on Joe and reported that the prior year he made 94 million bucks! UTs football field is named after him. I'd imagine that cost a couple of dollars.

 

[Old Pio]

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The difference is the left is not trying to disenfranchise righty voters but the right is trying to disenfranchise lefty voters. That's pretty much as unconstitutional as you can get, since the right to vote precedes all other political rights.

Every once in a while the mask slips.

The one good thing that's come out of this discussion is that Pio has admitted: "yes, we cannot win anymore without cheating, so we are cheating." Not that anybody didn't know that, but it's good to see they are at least out in the open about it now.

Nobody's trying to disenfranchise any "voter." And you d*mn well know it. If the states went around door to door, issuing ID cards for free, you'd still object. Because you rely on inner city precincts, run by inner city crooks to come up with massive turnouts. The cheating, dear boy, is on your side, not mine. And you d*mn well know that too. I grew up in Chicagoland during the heyday of that ultimate crook Richard J. Daley. Spare me your crocodile tears about open elections and "count every vote." Your side has been getting away with this thievery for so long you think it's your right.

 

[Old Pio]

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But Opie, if these people are legally eligible to vote, they should in fact be able to do so without a de facto poll tax. Whether the live in inner cities or gated communities. For someone who spends his few remaining days stuck in the 60's, you ought to know that lesson already.

PS - Is there any truth to the rumor you wrote in Bull Connor's name for President last election?

No. But I borrowed his cattle prod to give you the proctological exam you so clearly need. Explain to me again why only black folks are incapable of getting IDs. I'm sure your condescension is genuine. But it's still condescension. Fueled by fear that your built in advantage may be on its way out.

 

[Old Pio]

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You may be on to something here.

Republicans think they are at a disadvantage in the inner cities and a change that could make it more difficult for inner city people to vote might work to their advantage. That is what it is all about isn't it? And none of you have the guts to simply admit it.

Having to identify yourself is "difficult?" How do these people function the rest of the time? Polls show overwhelming support among African Americans for voter ID laws. But condescending, racist whites think they know better. According to them, it turns out black folks "don't know nothin' 'bout gettin' no ID cards."

 

[burd]

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Nobody's trying to disenfranchise any "voter." And you d*mn well know it. If the states went around door to door, issuing ID cards for free, you'd still object. Because you rely on inner city precincts, run by inner city crooks to come up with massive turnouts. The cheating, dear boy, is on your side, not mine. And you d*mn well know that too. I grew up in Chicagoland during the heyday of that ultimate crook Richard J. Daley. Spare me your crocodile tears about open elections and "count every vote." Your side has been getting away with this thievery for so long you think it's your right.

Reagan appointee Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals apparently disagrees with you, at least as to Wisconsin, stating as follows in Frank v. Scott Walker:

"There is compelling evidence that voter-impersonation fraud is essentially nonexistent in Wisconsin. . . . ome of the 'evidence' of voter-impersonation fraud is downright goofy, if not paranoid"


You might not agree with the guy, but he is widely respected and is most certainly not another ivory tower liberal.

 

[Kepler]

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I love that somebody actually believes this is about voter fraud; I believe Pio isn't faking here.

 

[Old Pio]

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Reagan appointee Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals apparently disagrees with you, at least as to Wisconsin, stating as follows in Frank v. Scott Walker:

"There is compelling evidence that voter-impersonation fraud is essentially nonexistent in Wisconsin. . . . ome of the 'evidence' of voter-impersonation fraud is downright goofy, if not paranoid"


You might not agree with the guy, but he is widely respected and is most certainly not another ivory tower liberal.

I don't care if he's Learned Hand. Anyone, including the judge, who thinks there's no voter fraud in this country also believes in unicorns. Let me give you just one small example of how its done. During the Daley years Republican poll watchers would show up at their precincts on election day, complete with their credentials, only to be told that the Republican poll watcher was already there. Protests were made. A cop shows up and the Republican poll watcher is escorted away. Later that evening. Say around 7PM, it turns out a "mistake" had been made and the guy actually was the authorized Republican poll watcher after all. Apologies all 'round. But another inner city precinct had been freed to run an election without any prying eyes.

How many fraudulent votes does it take to swing a close election? Ask Governor Gregoire or Senator Franken.

 

[Old Pio]

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I love that somebody actually believes this is about voter fraud; I believe Pio isn't faking here.

It's refreshing to learn your obnoxious condescension isn't limited to blacks.

 

[joecct]

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I love that somebody actually believes this is about voter fraud; I believe Pio isn't faking here.

Cripes Kep - there was voter fraud in the 1994 Maryland Gubernatorial. Everyone knew it, proved it, and nobody (on the winning side) cared.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Senator Franken? I live in Minnesota and I barely remember that story.

Besides, at this point even if he actually rigged the dam thing I don't care. He's done an incredible job. I had a visceral hatred of him six years ago. I mean every time I heard his name i would be seething mad.

He's easily the best Senator on the hill and it ain't close.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Reagan appointee Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals apparently disagrees with you, at least as to Wisconsin, stating as follows in Frank v. Scott Walker:

"There is compelling evidence that voter-impersonation fraud is essentially nonexistent in Wisconsin. . . . ome of the 'evidence' of voter-impersonation fraud is downright goofy, if not paranoid"

You might not agree with the guy, but he is widely respected and is most certainly not another ivory tower liberal.

Only in knuckle-dragger vernacular is the actual legitimate casting of a vote considered fraud.

Beyond that none of them have ever presented more than a molehill of evidence that actual fraud happens.

 

[Old Pio]

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Senator Franken? I live in Minnesota and I barely remember that story.

Besides, at this point even if he actually rigged the dam thing I don't care. He's done an incredible job. I had a visceral hatred of him six years ago. I mean every time I heard his name i would be seething mad.

He's easily the best Senator on the hill and it ain't close.

That would be your classic ends justifies the means argument, wouldn't it?

 

[Old Pio]

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Only in knuckle-dragger vernacular is the actual legitimate casting of a vote considered fraud.

Beyond that none of them have ever presented more than a molehill of evidence that actual fraud happens.

So altruistic of all the Dems to hold the hands of those simple, incapable black folks to make sure "whitey" doesn't deny them their God given right to vote early (and often). Touching, really.

 

[burd]

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I don't care if he's Learned Hand. Anyone, including the judge, who thinks there's no voter fraud in this country also believes in unicorns. Let me give you just one small example of how its done. During the Daley years Republican poll watchers would show up at their precincts on election day, complete with their credentials, only to be told that the Republican poll watcher was already there. Protests were made. A cop shows up and the Republican poll watcher is escorted away. Later that evening. Say around 7PM, it turns out a "mistake" had been made and the guy actually was the authorized Republican poll watcher after all. Apologies all 'round. But another inner city precinct had been freed to run an election without any prying eyes.

How many fraudulent votes does it take to swing a close election? Ask Governor Gregoire or Senator Franken.

I have no reason to doubt your Chicago example. If State A passes as voter ID statute that is challenged in court, should the court balance the reasonable likelihood of voter ID fraud against the reasonable likelihood of voter suppression, or does that go to the efficacy of the law and not its legality? Is it a fact-based, jurisdiction specific analysis or one based on a principle that should be uniformly applied?

 

[Kepler]

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So I have a question. My county seems to have a very hotly contested election for Register of Wills. Why? What are candidates for RoW after? I get Council (real estate developers bribe you). I get Board of Ed (those copies of Huck Finn aren't going to burn themselves). But what does a RoW do and more importantly why are they willing to apparently spend a ton of money for the privilege of doing it?

 

[MissThundercat]

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So I have a question. My county seems to have a very hotly contested election for Register of Wills. Why? What are candidates for RoW after? I get Council (real estate developers bribe you). I get Board of Ed (those copies of Huck Finn aren't going to burn themselves). But what does a RoW do and more importantly why are they willing to apparently spend a ton of money for the privilege of doing it?

This is from the Register of Wills site in Maryland:

1.1. What does the Register of Wills do ?

The purpose of the Register of Wills and the Orphans’ Court is to offer protection.
The office protects:
1) The decedent – that his or her last wishes will be carried out.
2) The heirs, legatees, and creditors – that they will receive what they are entitled to.
3) The State of Maryland – that the proper taxes and fees will be collected.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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So I have a question. My county seems to have a very hotly contested election for Register of Wills. Why? What are candidates for RoW after? I get Council (real estate developers bribe you). I get Board of Ed (those copies of Huck Finn aren't going to burn themselves). But what does a RoW do and more importantly why are they willing to apparently spend a ton of money for the privilege of doing it?

It's not a race until they start lobbing attack ads.

 

[LynahFan]

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So I have a question. My county seems to have a very hotly contested election for Register of Wills. Why? What are candidates for RoW after? I get Council (real estate developers bribe you). I get Board of Ed (those copies of Huck Finn aren't going to burn themselves). But what does a RoW do and more importantly why are they willing to apparently spend a ton of money for the privilege of doing it?

Domino Theory. If you let those dastardly Republicans/Democrats win RoW, pretty soon they'll encroach into dog-catching, town-clerking, roads-commissioning, and it's all downhill from there.

 

[joecct]

This is from the Register of Wills site in Maryland:

#3 is the most important. There is an inheritance tax in Maryland.