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Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

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5mn_Major said:
If Scotland is welcomed into the EU with open arms...I think the vote happens. The prospect of isolation is a bit scary next to the comfy union with a potent/relevant and economically mighty London.
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Whose economy ranks just ahead of Mississippi.
 
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This week in Republicanism:

Here's what The Bone Man thinks of you if you're unemployed.

And then there’s House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), who appeared at the American Enterprise Institute last week to discuss the economy. Asked about Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) anti-poverty plans, Boehner was quite candid about his thoughts on the unemployed.

“I think this idea that’s been born out the last – maybe out of the economy last couple of years that, ‘You know, I really don’t have to work. I don’t really want to do this, I think I’d just rather sit around.’ This is a very sick idea for our country.”
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/boehner-blasts-americas-unemployed-lazy
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
This week in Republicanism:

Here's what The Bone Man thinks of you if you're unemployed.



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/boehner-blasts-americas-unemployed-lazy
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It's an economic fact that unemployment insurance and welfare benefits discourage people from finding employment. Is that what has you "shocked" or is it that he spoke so baldly and candidly on the subject? The only debate economists have on the subject is the degree to which these policies impact our labor force participation and unemployment rates and the total net impact on the macroeconomy.
 
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St. Clown said:
It's an economic fact that unemployment insurance and welfare benefits discourage people from finding employment. Is that what has you "shocked" or is it that he spoke so baldly and candidly on the subject? The only debate economists have on the subject is the degree to which these policies impact our labor force participation and unemployment rates and the total net impact on the macroeconomy.
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This is the same man that won't pass a jobs bill that we're talking about. Or, did you miss the irony?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
This is the same man that won't pass a jobs bill that we're talking about. Or, did you miss the irony?
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What do you want out of jobs bill? A targeted spending bill? Extended unemployment? We've had spending bills enacted into law through acts of Congress, the Fed has taken on three rounds of "quantitative easing" (which keeps interest rates low and dilutes the value of the dollar in order to aid our exporters) and unemployment insurance benefits were extended to two full years just to delude people that they're not taking welfare. What more do you want? What more can you do? If you want to go after the man because he's a jerk, then just say it. Don't hide behind this perpetual jobs bill you're looking for, because they've happened, only they've been under different names. There are just too many other things going on to discourage any faster of a recovery in the job market than is already happening.
 
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St. Clown said:
What do you want out of jobs bill? A targeted spending bill? Extended unemployment? We've had spending bills enacted into law through acts of Congress, the Fed has taken on three rounds of "quantitative easing" (which keeps interest rates low and dilutes the value of the dollar in order to aid our exporters) and unemployment insurance benefits were extended to two full years just to delude people that they're not taking welfare. What more do you want? What more can you do? If you want to go after the man because he's a jerk, then just say it. Don't hide behind this perpetual jobs bill you're looking for, because they've happened, only they've been under different names. There are just too many other things going on to discourage any faster of a recovery in the job market than is already happening.
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By all accounts immigration reform is a huge boon to the economy and jobs wanted by both sides of the aisle. Where is it? Oh, that's right it's killed in Bone Man's House. I could cite and find probably another 100 examples but I won't.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
By all accounts immigration reform is a huge boon to the economy and jobs wanted by both sides of the aisle. Where is it? Oh, that's right it's killed in Bone Man's House. I could cite and find probably another 100 examples but I won't.
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The amnesty bill won't make much of an impact on employment figures. Most of the illegals are already employed under the table or through other jobs in the grey market. Bringing them into the legitimate marketplace won't impact the job market other than on paper. It's funny, though, because Rubin Navarette, a generally liberal man, thinks that the only way the amnesty bill will ever be enacted into law is if there's a Republican in the White House, if you look at historical records of when such bills have been signed over the years and who's been in office.
 
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St. Clown said:
The amnesty bill won't make much of an impact on employment figures. Most of the illegals are already employed under the table or through other jobs in the grey market. Bringing them into the legitimate marketplace won't impact the job market other than on paper. It's funny, though, because Rubin Navarette, a generally liberal man, thinks that the only way the amnesty bill will ever be enacted into law is if there's a Republican in the White House, if you look at historical records of when such bills have been signed over the years and who's been in office.
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Amnesty? You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Amnesty? You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.
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So now "immigration reform," where people who are currently illegal aliens then become legal aliens that can then become citizens isn't what we have traditionally referred to as immigration amnesty, such as what President Reagan did? Interesting.
 
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St. Clown said:
So now "immigration reform," where people who are currently illegal aliens then become legal aliens that can then become citizens isn't what we have traditionally referred to as immigration amnesty, such as what President Reagan did? Interesting.
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And since he did, California has never elected a Republican at state wide office.
 
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joecct said:
And since he did, California has never elected a Republican at state wide office.
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Unless you count 6 Republican governors since Reagan left office...
 
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As Rick once said "I appear to have been misinformed. "
 
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Gov Wilson is a better example of short term gain at the expense of long term pain. Running a xenophobic campaign did him wonders personally, but it destroyed his party in a state where they traditionally had a huge advantage. Its not illegals turning legal and then voting that killed the GOP in CA, its legal Hispanics tired of being used as a punching bag to prop up a dying ideology. I'd keep that in mind when you consider the current national GOP's stance on issues and how it differs from that of the younger generation of voters no matter their skin color.
 
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Rover said:
Gov Wilson is a better example of short term gain at the expense of long term pain. Running a xenophobic campaign did him wonders personally, but it destroyed his party in a state where they traditionally had a huge advantage. Its not illegals turning legal and then voting that killed the GOP in CA, its legal Hispanics tired of being used as a punching bag to prop up a dying ideology. I'd keep that in mind when you consider the current national GOP's stance on issues and how it differs from that of the younger generation of voters no matter their skin color.
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Not to mention their "mother/whore" stupidity on women. The GOP have the same problem as the Taliban: when your base is trapped in the 12th century, it becomes impossible to expand your appeal -- your worldview is either irrelevant or downright offensive to everybody else.
 
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Rover said:
its legal Hispanics tired of being used as a punching bag to prop up a dying ideology.
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538 ran a great piece about this a week ago.

Today, 89 percent of House Republicans are white men, compared to just 47 percent of House Democrats. For some context, according to 2013 Census estimates just 31 percent of U.S. residents are non-Hispanic white males.

On Election Night in 2012, when it was clear Republicans would comfortably hold onto the House despite winning 1.4 million fewer votes than Democrats in House races, Democrats took pride in a different statistic: For the first time ever, women and minorities would compose a majority — 53 percent — of their caucus. Meanwhile, the share of women and minorities in the GOP House conference went down, from 14 percent to 11 percent.
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