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Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
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Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Looks like somebody should have read "The Frog and the Scorpion."
Looks like somebody should have read "The Frog and the Scorpion."
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
I've got to believe for "yes" to win, it needed to have a significant lead in the polls going in. I'm thinking there will be many people who planned to vote "yes" that will get to the voting booth and think better of it and vote for the status quo.
I've got to believe for "yes" to win, it needed to have a significant lead in the polls going in. I'm thinking there will be many people who planned to vote "yes" that will get to the voting booth and think better of it and vote for the status quo.
Vote to split Texas or California into multiple states and you'd get that turnout in either state.
Meanwhile here is the latest...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11081025/Scottish-independence-campaign-live.html
Full results won't be known until the wee hours on this side of the pond. Guess C-SPAN will be watched tonight in chez moi.
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
The commentaries I've read on the Beeb are that the Tories may dump him. There's an election in 2015 and there an an awful lot of Commander McBragg types who hold him personally responsible for playing "chicken." That will be passable, barely, if No eeks it out, but if Yes wins he's going to have an insurrection from his right.
The commentaries I've read on the Beeb are that the Tories may dump him. There's an election in 2015 and there an an awful lot of Commander McBragg types who hold him personally responsible for playing "chicken." That will be passable, barely, if No eeks it out, but if Yes wins he's going to have an insurrection from his right.
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Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
I agree with this. It's a big, fat, hairy deal, with a big risk of buyers' remorse. I think the uncertainty decides it for No.
I agree with this. It's a big, fat, hairy deal, with a big risk of buyers' remorse. I think the uncertainty decides it for No.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
The sad thing is, I doubt it.
The sad thing is, I doubt it.
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
You don't even need C-SPAN. The BBC has the best political coverage I've ever seen. BBC America was spot on for the 2012 US election and it wasn't even their own freakin' country compared to the nonsense on CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, etc (PBS was good but boring). If I get up in the middle of the night I'll go downstairs and click that channel on to see their reactions. They did a great job in the last UK election too, and that graph showing Parliament seat gains superimposed on Big Ben was really cool!
You don't even need C-SPAN. The BBC has the best political coverage I've ever seen. BBC America was spot on for the 2012 US election and it wasn't even their own freakin' country compared to the nonsense on CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, etc (PBS was good but boring). If I get up in the middle of the night I'll go downstairs and click that channel on to see their reactions. They did a great job in the last UK election too, and that graph showing Parliament seat gains superimposed on Big Ben was really cool!
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
5 hours difference London to New York this time of year, right? So we probably won't get a call until 6 am ET or so.
5 hours difference London to New York this time of year, right? So we probably won't get a call until 6 am ET or so.
I think you wrnt the wrong way. Papers are saying that by breakfast or so in the UK they'll know. That puts it around 1 or 2 am ET.
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
Interesting. I was perhaps misreading, but I had understood that since the polls close at 10 pm GMT, and since Scotland is essentially Chicoutimi with worse roads, that they didn't expect the final tallies from the outback to be before 2 am GMT, meaning 7 ET. Since it's going to be close, they may need every precinct heard from.
Edit: oh ****, never mind. GMT is 5 hours *after* us, not before. So that makes it clearly decided in the overnight ET. You are correct.
Interesting. I was perhaps misreading, but I had understood that since the polls close at 10 pm GMT, and since Scotland is essentially Chicoutimi with worse roads, that they didn't expect the final tallies from the outback to be before 2 am GMT, meaning 7 ET. Since it's going to be close, they may need every precinct heard from.
Edit: oh ****, never mind. GMT is 5 hours *after* us, not before. So that makes it clearly decided in the overnight ET. You are correct.
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Think Premier League or Formula 1. You can't get mixed up (until we flip to/from DST on a different calendar than Europe).
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
I shoulda had it from the EPL. I feel shame.
I shoulda had it from the EPL. I feel shame.
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Heck, I like Indian cricket. They're 8.5 hours ahead of us. Makes for interesting start times at chez moi.
Don't worry. I attribute it to lack of sleep.
Heck, I like Indian cricket. They're 8.5 hours ahead of us. Makes for interesting start times at chez moi.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
I really really hate the election ads up here. Even when I watch a video on YouTube, up pops :15 of "Mark Begich voted with Barack Obama 97% of the time!" (Nevermind he voted with him 0% of the because the President doesn't vote in the Senate, you know, "facts")
I really really hate the election ads up here. Even when I watch a video on YouTube, up pops :15 of "Mark Begich voted with Barack Obama 97% of the time!" (Nevermind he voted with him 0% of the because the President doesn't vote in the Senate, you know, "facts")
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
They found a substitute.
Pat? Is that you?
They found a substitute.
Pat? Is that you?
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
OTOH, the President didn't vote much in his 2 years in the Senate, either.
I believe that it means that he supports the President's position(s) 97% of the time.
OTOH, the President didn't vote much in his 2 years in the Senate, either.
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing
This race is starting to look like the gift that keeps on giving.
This race is starting to look like the gift that keeps on giving.
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