Call Detroit. Tell them bankrupt!!!

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If only there was a way to provide health care that wouldn't require people to rely on their employer for coverage. It is a shame no other industrialized nation has found a way. That's why Chinese, Japanese, German and Korean goods will never be able to compete with American goods - they have to pay way too much overhead for health care costs. Someday someone will dream something up.

 

[mookie1995]

If only there was a way to provide health care that wouldn't require people to rely on their employer for coverage. It is a shame no other industrialized nation has found a way. That's why Chinese, Japanese, German and Korean goods will never be able to compete with American goods - they have to pay way too much overhead for health care costs. Someday someone will dream something up.

You get a job yet??

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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If only there was a way to provide health care that wouldn't require people to rely on their employer for coverage. It is a shame no other industrialized nation has found a way. That's why Chinese, Japanese, German and Korean goods will never be able to compete with American goods - they have to pay way too much overhead for health care costs. Someday someone will dream something up.

Forced single payer does not work, as we have seen many people in those countries you're talking about flocking to the USA for advanced treatment they otherwise cannot get in their own country without dying while waiting. However, one compromise that could be possible is a hybrid between insurance and single payer. Counties establish public health systems for those who cannot pay for medical treatments (whether by cash or insurance), and I say counties because states are just too large to handle this sort of thing effectively, but the option still remains available, especially for seniors which they don't have with Medicare currently, that if you want to pay cash for the services otherwise offered in the single payer system to avoid waiting, you can pay cash or insurance. I believe this is something that Vermont has tried, but my biggest concern with exactly mimicking their system is that Vermont is incredibly rural.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Obviously my biggest concern with ANY sort of single payer is that you're shifting the cost to an entity that just can't afford it. Not to mention, if you take away people's need to purchase health care on their own, you take away their need to make more money, and thereby reduce the taxes coming in.

 

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Obviously my biggest concern with ANY sort of single payer is that you're shifting the cost to an entity that just can't afford it. Not to mention, if you take away people's need to purchase health care on their own, you take away their need to make more money, and thereby reduce the taxes coming in.

One thing I have found in our Capitalistic consumer economy is that people only earn as much as they need to. That's why so many people give their excess earnings back to their employer.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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One thing I have found in our Capitalistic consumer economy is that people only earn as much as they need to. That's why so many people give their excess earnings back to their employer.

You'd actually be surprised to see what the priorities of people are. I know you're trying to channel Kooky Marx's The Communist M********o and obviously people are driven by moolah, but there's typically a point of satisfaction.

 

[Priceless]

You get a job yet??

Nope. I am disabled and unable to work. I have constant headaches, fatigue, nerve damage, can't lift anything on a regular basis and have balance issues that make me look like a BU player who has been at The Dugout too long. Oh, I also have a ticking time bomb in my head. But other than that...

 

[jmh]

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I came across this passage in an eBook I'm reading, and I thought it might be somewhat relevant to this discussion:

In a paper called "Did the death of distance* hurt Detroit and help New York?" economists Edward Glaeser and Giacomo Ponzetto make this connection** explicitly. They produce a model in which falling transportation and communication costs boost the fortunes of talent-rich places, while eroding the benefits to concentrations of manufacturing. It's no longer important for industrial firms to locate near each other on expensive city land in order to economize on costs, so big, land-intensive production activities disperse out to cheaper locations, undermining the economies of manufacturing cities in the process. But falling communication and transportation costs support other sectors of the economy. Managerial activities over long distances are made easier, and so cities that are home to the operations of large, multinational corporations do well. More importantly, better communications increase the return to innovation -- to idea producers -- and so cities that support idea-producing industries have seen their fortunes improve thanks to falling communication costs.

Ryan Avent, The Gated City

* The effect that the telecommunications revolution of the past ~20 years has had of making it so easy to share ideas over long distances
** That the "death of distance" has widened the wage gap between large/dense cities and small cities, especially for experienced, talented, or skilled workers

This would add further support to the idea that, in order to recover, Detroit needs to (obviously) lure back more residents and (slightly less obviously) attract more knowledge-based businesses like Quicken, rather than focusing too heavily on manufacturing jobs that are likely gone for good.

The eBook is a good read and only $1.99.

 

[Rover]

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Perhaps a deal could be made like what happened with the Big 3 automakers and the UAW, which is that the union is in charge of the healthcare plan. Now that came with a cost as I believe all 3 companies ponied up some significant dollars to divest themselves from having to offer healthcare, but maybe something similar could be worked out.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Nope. I am disabled and unable to work. I have constant headaches, fatigue, nerve damage, can't lift anything on a regular basis and have balance issues that make me look like a BU player who has been at The Dugout too long. Oh, I also have a ticking time bomb in my head. But other than that...

So you're saying that looking like a BU player is defined as a disability?

 

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So you're saying that looking like a BU player is defined as a disability?

I wouldn't be surprised!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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So you're saying that looking like a BU player is defined as a disability?

Freddy Meyer hacked everyone.

 

[FreshFish]

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One thing I have found in our Capitalistic consumer economy is that people only earn as much as they need to. That's why so many people give their excess earnings back to their employer.

One thing I have found in our government-dominated economy is that ambitious people are penalized and vilified if they try earn as much as they are able to. That's why so many other envious people resent their success and clamor that the so-called "excess" earnings should be arbitrarily confiscated; so that these other people won't ever have to learn how to become self-reliant even when they have the capacity to do so, because it's just too hard, and we can't have anyone working too hard now can we (unless of course they are high earners, which means the harder they work, the better for the rest of us!)

 

[Rover]

One thing I have found in our government-dominated economy is that ambitious people are penalized and vilified if they try earn as much as they are able to. That's why so many other envious people resent their success and clamor that the so-called "excess" earnings should be arbitrarily confiscated; so that other people won't ever have to learn how to become self-reliant even when they have the capacity to do so, because it's just too hard and we can't have anyone working too hard now can we (unless they are high earners of course, which means the harder they work the better!)

Did you download this from the Drudge site or Brietbert?

I challenge you to site some examples as this is boilerplate knuckledragger mindless tripe. As you don't seem tremendously successful yourself (as in you're not running around with Buffett, Gates, and Trump) I'm curious where you're getting this profound insight from.

 

[FreshFish]

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I came across this passage in an eBook I'm reading, and I thought it might be somewhat relevant to this discussion:Ryan Avent, The Gated City

* The effect that the telecommunications revolution of the past ~20 years has had of making it so easy to share ideas over long distances
** That the "death of distance" has widened the wage gap between large/dense cities and small cities, especially for experienced, talented, or skilled workers

This would add further support to the idea that, in order to recover, Detroit needs to (obviously) lure back more residents and (slightly less obviously) attract more knowledge-based businesses like Quicken, rather than focusing too heavily on manufacturing jobs that are likely gone for good.

The eBook is a good read and only $1.99.

You must spread reputation around before giving it to jmh again.


That's what makes the contrast between Pittsburgh and Detroit so fascinating! Pittsburgh was heavily dependent on steel, and all the steel companies moved away, yet Pittsburgh was able to reinvent itself as a technology hub, while Detroit festered and decayed. I'd love to read a comparative case study of the two side-by-side.

Perfectly apt citation and post. Thanks!

 

[mookie1995]

You must spread reputation around before giving it to jmh again.


That's what makes the contrast between Pittsburgh and Detroit so fascinating! Pittsburgh was heavily dependent on steel, and all the steel companies moved away, yet Pittsburgh was able to reinvent itself as a technology hub, while Detroit festered and decayed. I'd love to read a comparative case study of the two side-by-side.

Perfectly apt citation and post. Thanks!

Does Detroit have an equiv of cmu?

And don't forget Pittsburgh has the stillers, which attracts ton of talent individuals who want to see them play in person and stay.

 

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Does Detroit have an equiv of cmu?

And don't forget Pittsburgh has the stillers, which attracts ton of talent individuals who want to see them play in person and stay.

Pittsburgh also has the Pirates...

 

[Rover]

Does Detroit have an equiv of cmu?

And don't forget Pittsburgh has the stillers, which attracts ton of talent individuals who want to see them play in person and stay.

A big difference is that Pittsburgh is a much smaller city. At its peak there were only 600K+ Yinzers running around while Detroit had 1.8M. Now its 750K vs about 300K. Its a little easier to find jobs for a much smaller population. Its also 55 square miles of land vs the 148 that Detroit has to cover, hence less strain on services. Having been there several times, I can tell you the local govt has done a good job sprucing the place up. Downtown is clean, painted, landscaped and has good signage. That doesn't make the place any less boring (spare me please if you're from there) but all in all its trying which is a good thing. Giving people a reason to come to the city without fear of getting killed also helps (for sporting events, conventions, etc).

You also can't discount visuals. Sitting on a peninsula between three rivers and having a tall overlook on the opposite bank makes Pittsburgh somewhat interesting to see if only for a couple of days. Unless you're really into urban blight, there's not much reason to see Detroit.

 

[St. Clown]

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This is great: Detroit's city council may want to keep looking at ways to fix their issues within Detroit and not worry about a criminal case that took place in Sanford, FL.


Detroit’s City Council spends time weighing in on Zimmerman case, puts Motor City issues on back burner http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/26/detroits-city-council-spends-time-weighing-in-on-zimmerman-case-puts-motor-city/

 

[Priceless]

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This is great: Detroit's city council may want to keep looking at ways to fix their issues within Detroit and not worry about a criminal case that took place in Sanford, FL.


Detroit’s City Council spends time weighing in on Zimmerman case, puts Motor City issues on back burner http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/26/detroits-city-council-spends-time-weighing-in-on-zimmerman-case-puts-motor-city/

Maybe they are interested in using Stand Your Ground as a method of population control.