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Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

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Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

but....

the middle class will get all that WF earning in dividends!!! at lower taxable rates now!!!

Whoopsie...

<img src="https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/WealthInequity_fig1.png" />

Turns out the rich get most of the dividends, too. I love it when a plan comes together.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

Whoopsie...

<img src="https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/WealthInequity_fig1.png" />

Turns out the rich get most of the dividends, too. I love it when a plan comes together.

dont' all y'all think that middle class (250k-100k) ARE the 1% though? :p
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

dont' all y'all think that middle class (250k-100k) ARE the 1% though? :p

100k/year is top 20%.

150k/year is top 10%.

250k/year is top 2.5%.

Yeah, yeah, cost of living and all that, but if middle class includes a household making more than 97.5% of all other Americans, then "Middle Class" is effectively everyone short of Bill Gates.

When I think middle class, I think of a household income of about $75k. The range is probably 35k to 100k, give or take.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

100k/year is top 20%.

150k/year is top 10%.

250k/year is top 2.5%.

Yeah, yeah, cost of living and all that, but if middle class includes a household making more than 97.5% of all other Americans, then "Middle Class" is effectively everyone short of Bill Gates.

When I think middle class, I think of a household income of about $75k. The range is probably 35k to 100k, give or take.

No.
 
100k/year is top 20%.

150k/year is top 10%.

250k/year is top 2.5%.

Yeah, yeah, cost of living and all that, but if middle class includes a household making more than 97.5% of all other Americans, then "Middle Class" is effectively everyone short of Bill Gates.

When I think middle class, I think of a household income of about $75k. The range is probably 35k to 100k, give or take.

A lot of it around Boston depends on when you bought your house. You can make $100k a year and if you bought 20+ years ago you’re better off than someone making $200k a year who either has bought in the last couple years or hasn’t bought at all. It’s kind of a strange situation.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

Middle isn’t an income, it’s a goal.

Working class, then middle class, then upper class

Workers - management - owners
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

:rolleyes:

God, you whine and ***** about Brent not answering a question and instead of not answering, YOU offer up that.

This has already been discussed a thousand times. You want my definition? Here it is. If none of your income clears the FICA threshold you're Middle Class.

The Social Security Administration (SSA) announced on Friday that the maximum amount of wages in 2018 subject to the 6.2% Social Security tax (old age, survivor, and disability insurance) will rise from $127,200 to $128,400, an increase of a little more than 1%. By comparison, the 2017 wage base increased more than 7% over the 2016 wage base.

If you're at least 20% above that threshold you're no longer middle class and are in fact rich.

About 150 grand for single and 300 for couples.
 
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If you're at least 20% above that threshold you're no longer middle class and are in fact rich.

Where did 20% come from? Not attacking, just curious.

My definition is as follows. You have to use assets (net worth), not income. Even if you have zero income if you own an island you're rich.

I'd use rough 10ths as delimeters. And at the beginning, age factors in because kids will have a far lower worth because they haven't accumulated yet.

So, at, say, age 50:

Below $10k: poor
$10k-$100k: lower middle class
$100k - $1M: middle class
$1M - $10M: upper middle class
Above $10M: rich

Then my aim as a government would be to move as many people as possible into the middle class. I suggest that means confiscating all assets above $100M and using them to improve the lives differentially of those in the middle class (a little), the lower middle class (a lot) and the poor (transformatively). Do it in a way which the people themselves take responsibility and do the work. Education, training, child care, health care all paid for. Your job as a poor citizen is to get yourself safely to the middle. You job in the middle is to flourish and do the work. Your job at the top is to subsidize the improvement of the bottom.

It's still going to be a hoot to be rich. $100M will still buy all the hookers and blow you want, you'll just have to settle for 5 houses instead of 25.

My guess is that right now the US is at: 50%, 30%, 15%, 4%, 1%.
My ideal shape of the "perfected" US is: 0%, 25%, 25%, 25%, 25%.

The key here is that $10M+ is restricted to $10M - $100M. It is currently unlimited and ranges $10M - nearly $100,000M. That warps the entire shape of the country because all those dollars above $10M are wasted -- they merely plow back into the future gains of the 1% and have zero benefit to anyone else. If they benefit anyone outside the US 1% it is the 1% of other nations.

Put those dollars to good use.
 
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I have an idea. Haven’t played it out in my head, so it might be terrible.

Abolish the income tax. Completely. Make whatever you want. But the estate tax becomes the source of income for the government.

Estate tax exempts the first five million per person. But not on death, on receipt. A person has a lifetime exemption of five million in gifts and inheritance. After that, things are taxed.

5-10 million 30%
10-15 million 40%
15-30 million 50%
30-50 million 60%
50-75 million 75%
75-100 million 90%
100 million 99.9%

I have no idea what the rates should be. But it has one benefit. It drives people towards the middle class by eliminating wealth disparity. And it encourages you to spend and enjoy your money in life. This would start the churn and boost the economy.

Like I said. I haven’t sussed this out. It might be completely unworkable.


ETA: I’m thinking the brackets need to be more aggressive. Exporting money would need to be prevented. So I don’t think it’s eorksb in the end.
 
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Or how about this: People who actually earn money for their families keep what they earn, instead of subsidizing in death some weasel that can't do the same thing so they feel the need to steal from someone else.

As usual, the collegian attacking the family.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

Or how about this: People who actually earn money for their families keep what they earn, instead of subsidizing in death some weasel that can't do the same thing so they feel the need to steal from someone else.

As usual, the collegian attacking the family.

There's that empathy void I was referring to. None there.

And it comes from a guy who is, by all available evidence, too stupid to avoid being taken advantage of by bottom-feeding predators like infowars, who feed off only the most gullible.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

There's that empathy void I was referring to. None there.

And it comes from a guy who is, by all available evidence, too stupid to avoid being taken advantage of by bottom-feeding predators like infowars, who feed off only the most gullible.

And guess what we put up with for 8 years when your wacko was in office. And you STILL are trying to reverse the 2016 election. You lost. GET OVER IT.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

RIP downloading stock data from Yahoo.

http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=VZ+AEO&f=snhgba

Now returns:

It has come to our attention that this service is being used in violation of the Yahoo Terms of Service. As such, the service is being discontinued. For all future markets and equities data research, please refer to finance.yahoo.com.

Time to hook into my broker's API, I guess.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

Where did 20% come from? Not attacking, just curious.

I've been settling in on the 150/300 number for a while. My big issue is the FICA Tax and how it is handled by our government.
 
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