Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

What surplus? It's gone.

It would have been 1.5 billion in the hole without it, correct? That's the whole point of saving for a rainy day. This is a really really bad rainy day. We probably should have had more surplus in there and we certainly could have.

EDIT: That video was pretty ****ing depressing.

 

[St. Clown]

I hope you're not running into moves like this because this is one of the bigger d-bag moves I've heard about.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/tech/instacart-shoppers-tip-baiting/index.html

So...funny timing on seeing that link. I had a Shipt order arrive just about 2 hours ago. I hit the max pre-assigned tip value, not knowing the dollar amount of the order (wife placed it), only to look after the fact and see that it equated to roughly a 9% tip. I tried to edit it after the fact to something higher, but the tip closes out immediately upon submission to Shipt. He got hosed and I feel genuinely bad about my honest mistake it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

We had something like that the first time. We couldn’t figure out how to tip on an order directly from the Target app and by the time we figured out what happened we couldn’t edit either. We felt awful. These apps need a function to add AFTER the fact.

 

[MissThundercat]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

So...funny timing on seeing that link. I had a Shipt order arrive just about 2 hours ago. I hit the max pre-assigned tip value, not knowing the dollar amount of the order (wife placed it), only to look after the fact and see that it equated to roughly a 9% tip. I tried to edit it after the fact to something higher, but the tip closes out immediately upon submission to Shipt. He got hosed and I feel genuinely bad about my honest mistake it.

We had something like that the first time. We couldn’t figure out how to tip on an order directly from the Target app and by the time we figured out what happened we couldn’t edit either. We felt awful. These apps need a function to add AFTER the fact.

I've had customers give me cash after the fact if that helps you.

Today, everyone tipped. Dinner rush should be amazing tonight.

 

[French Rage]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

So...funny timing on seeing that link. I had a Shipt order arrive just about 2 hours ago. I hit the max pre-assigned tip value, not knowing the dollar amount of the order (wife placed it), only to look after the fact and see that it equated to roughly a 9% tip. I tried to edit it after the fact to something higher, but the tip closes out immediately upon submission to Shipt. He got hosed and I feel genuinely bad about my honest mistake it.

Yeah the other day we got a flier for a food delivery service called "Caviar". We used it for Mexican food, but it had a max tip value. We tried to leave some additional cash in an envelope paper clipped to our day but the deliveryperson didn't see it. Not suing them again. **** limiting what I can tip.

 

[Handyman]

We had something like that the first time. We couldn’t figure out how to tip on an order directly from the Target app and by the time we figured out what happened we couldn’t edit either. We felt awful. These apps need a function to add AFTER the fact.

I believe when I used Instacart it allowed you to change after the fact cause I know I changed it. I think they even prompt you after the order is marked "delivered".

 

[St. Clown]

I've had customers give me cash after the fact if that helps you.

Today, everyone tipped. Dinner rush should be amazing tonight.

The Shipt service prompts for a tip after delivery is complete and the person has left. If there’s a way to alter it, I haven’t found it.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

WHoa. That's a lot... An interesting point, but shocking to us midwesterners who don't pay $20 for a burger.

That's kinda my point -- if your burger cost $6 it's still the same amount of work for the server so they should get the same pay. It is not unusual at a cheapie cheapie place to tip more than the meal. That is as it should be.

$20 is perfect because those are the middle class food stamps the ATM dispenses. It comes outta the machine and into the wallet and then it goes on the table. Same with giving money to the homeless dude. You never miss it and he's desperate for it. And really, how often does this happen? Maybe once a week, so $1k a year. And that $1k went to people in need. I feel more than $1k good. It feels great to help, even if just a little.

When I'm rich I'll tip $100 and feel like a million bucks.

If you're economically distressed you don't do it because your family needs that money more.

I don't look down on people who don't do this but I make a point of doing it when I lunch with coworkers and invariably they make a comment and I explain. I have already seen several of my coworkers start to do the same thing.

The Revolution doesn't have to proceed with guillotines. It's just funnier that way.

 

[aparch]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

That's kinda my point -- if your burger cost $6 it's still the same amount of work for the server so they should get the same pay. It is not unusual at a cheapie cheapie place to tip more than the meal. That is as it should be.

What did that server do to earn $20 that the chef who actually cooked, assembled, and plated the burger didn't?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

What did that server do to earn $20 that the chef who actually cooked, assembled, and plated the burger didn't?

The chef gets paid a living wage. The server gets the absolute legal minimum.

Also, the chef is batch processing. The server is giving you personal attention.

Also, the chef has a more in demand skill and has other options if a better job comes along.

Also, the server is on their feet all day and dealing with as-shole customers who are looking for excuses not to tip because hey what did they do?

 

[aparch]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

The chef gets paid a living wage. The server gets the absolute legal minimum.
Also, the chef is batch processing. The server is giving you personal attention.
Also, the chef has a more in demand skill and has other options if a better job comes along.
Also, the server is on their feet all day and dealing with as-shole customers who are looking for excuses not to tip because hey what did they do?

Unfortunately, some restaurants (mostly the shi**y chain ones, and also some fancy ones which are ran by shi**y owners/managers) also make the servers pool their tips and split them with the kitchen staff, despite paying the chefs better because, hey, capitalism, let the customers pay the wages of the waitresses.

I've always tipped well (not as well as you, but better than the average) because my wife got through college and the first few years out of college as a waitress. I do try to tip cash, because if it's a totally shi**y night where the waitress would get fu**ed on her hours, she can just "forget" about reporting some of the cash. For those who don't know, (and I am unfamiliar with other states handling of it), Michigan's laws are written so that:

The Michigan minimum wage is currently $9.45 per hour. Waiters and waitresses are entitled to receive at least that much for every hour worked. However, restaurants can take a “tip credit” of up to $5.86 per hour, meaning they only pay the servers a cash wage of $3.59 per hour.

Since employees are entitled to the greater protection available, this means that waiters and waitresses in Michigan are entitled to be paid at least $3.59 per hour by restaurants, with restaurants using a “tip credit” of $5.86. If restaurants do rely on a “tip credit” of $5.86 per hour to justify paying servers $3.59, they must also keep track of tips to make sure that employees are receiving enough in tips that they are making at least minimum wage for all hours worked. If a server doesn’t reach the minimum wage amount by adding in the tips, then the employer must pay that difference to get the server up to minimum wage.
https://www.goldstarlaw.com/is-a-waiter-or-waitress-exempt-from-minimum-wage-and-overtime/

It appears a good portion of states are the same. What absolutely floors me is that the minimum threshold to screw tipped staff is $30 in tips... MONTHLY.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

 

[The Rube]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

From what I recall, servers only pool tips with the busboys, not the kitchen staff. For bars, it's pooled with barbacks.

 

[LynahFan]

What did that server do to earn $20 that the chef who actually cooked, assembled, and plated the burger didn't?

Do you refrain from fishing because you won’t catch all of the fish?

Do whatcha can with whatcha got.

 

[MissThundercat]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

This morning, I made $62 alone, and someone went back and added a $5 tip. Made over $120 yesterday. If I can stay out long enough tonight, I can probably make another $70-ish. This has gone from "coffee and wine" money to "holy sh-t, I can pay my bills" money. And I was told if I drove in Grand Rapids, I can make even more money.

On the bright side, it's low impact (I'm not on my feet all the time) and people are being nice to me, so I'm going to ride this out.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

This morning, I made $62 alone, and someone went back and added a $5 tip. Made over $120 yesterday. If I can stay out long enough tonight, I can probably make another $70-ish. This has gone from "coffee and wine" money to "holy sh-t, I can pay my bills" money. And I was told if I drove in Grand Rapids, I can make even more money.

On the bright side, it's low impact (I'm not on my feet all the time) and people are being nice to me, so I'm going to ride this out.

Good to hear.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

You should absolutely take advantage while you can. It will never be more profitable to do it than it is during the Pandemic.

Just be safe out there...

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

I was at a brewery last year and one of the bartenders had one of those "Ask me!" buttons with something else that looked like Fight For 15. So, we followed the button's directions and asked. She said it was actually a group that was against Fight For 15 because she felt she would make less money if she went to a wage rather than tips only. It was an interesting perspective, and certainly made sense that night, because it was packed on a beautiful summer Saturday night. Then I thought about those weeknights in January when there's no one coming in. However, I suppose at that point minimum wage is kicking in so they're still getting $9.25 or whatever it may be in their state, not like they're sitting around making $0 if the tips don't add up.

Anyway, it was interesting because you don't hear too often about opponents within the working class level of the industry.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

I do...it always kind of shocks me when they say it but it is a larger number than you would think. There are factors behind it though that if you arent part of the service industry you might not get.

 

[mookie1995]

This morning, I made $62 alone, and someone went back and added a $5 tip. Made over $120 yesterday. If I can stay out long enough tonight, I can probably make another $70-ish. This has gone from "coffee and wine" money to "holy sh-t, I can pay my bills" money. And I was told if I drove in Grand Rapids, I can make even more money.

On the bright side, it's low impact (I'm not on my feet all the time) and people are being nice to me, so I'm going to ride this out.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

I was at a brewery last year and one of the bartenders had one of those "Ask me!" buttons with something else that looked like Fight For 15. So, we followed the button's directions and asked. She said it was actually a group that was against Fight For 15 because she felt she would make less money if she went to a wage rather than tips only. It was an interesting perspective, and certainly made sense that night, because it was packed on a beautiful summer Saturday night. Then I thought about those weeknights in January when there's no one coming in. However, I suppose at that point minimum wage is kicking in so they're still getting $9.25 or whatever it may be in their state, not like they're sitting around making $0 if the tips don't add up.

Anyway, it was interesting because you don't hear too often about opponents within the working class level of the industry.

They probably would. I remember one of the beertenders I know at my local brewery, and she makes $200 in tips on a good shift. That's one shift.