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Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

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Biden vetoes bill that would have ended the DoL's rule about fund managers being allowed to consider ESG factors when playing with investors' money.

Qevin McQarthy: "Biden sides with WOKE WALL STREET!1!!11!!!"

Manchin plays along for his base.
 

Looks like no state, outside of Maine, is really having to deal with this situation. I won't claim to know about how fast those percentages have changed since 2020, it at all. Won't claim to know if the laws have changed in MN since 2020. Won't even claim to know whether Maine having that much foreign held farmland is a prudent thing for Mainers to be doing. Maybe Hovey's point was that it doesn't matter whether there's laws on the books or not, since the situation is not a problem anywhere (yet).
 
Looks like no state, outside of Maine, is really having to deal with this situation. I won't claim to know about how fast those percentages have changed since 2020, it at all. Won't claim to know if the laws have changed in MN since 2020. Won't even claim to know whether Maine having that much foreign held farmland is a prudent thing for Mainers to be doing. Maybe Hovey's point was that it doesn't matter whether there's laws on the books or not, since the situation is not a problem anywhere (yet).

My guess is the Irving family is behind most of the foreign ownership in Maine. They’re okay for the most part but do want to pursue a mining project that would be horrible for the environment.
 
I'm floored and appaled by how much forest in the UP of Michigan is owned by foreign national corporations. Dutch, "Other," and Canada make up the largest shares.

Same in Maine, Irving family owns a huge part of the forest here, just like they do in New Brunswick
 
Looks like no state, outside of Maine, is really having to deal with this situation. I won't claim to know about how fast those percentages have changed since 2020, it at all. Won't claim to know if the laws have changed in MN since 2020. Won't even claim to know whether Maine having that much foreign held farmland is a prudent thing for Mainers to be doing. Maybe Hovey's point was that it doesn't matter whether there's laws on the books or not, since the situation is not a problem anywhere (yet).

I will confess that I really wasn't trying to make any point with my brief response to Scooby's post. It was more my cynical take on what I think is a pretty useless Minnesota anti-corporate farming statute.

The idea behind these statutes, at least with respect to agricultural land, is to supposedly try to save the "family farm" (whatever that is) and to prevent what are perceived to be these large livestock ventures who come in, buy up 5000 acres, and have 20,000 dairy cows on them, or something, as opposed to the random dairy farmer with 100 cows.

I don't really have an opinion one way or another on that idea. I think there are positive points to be made on behalf of each side.

But Minnesota's statute, and their enforcement of it, is silly. If you put your farmland into a limited liability company or a corporation, basically the penalty is that the state can make you sell it out of the corporation or llc within five years from their discovering it. Of course, the likelihood that they discover it is almost nil.

Furthermore, you can sell it to yourself, or even better, to another corporation or llc you set up, which then triggers the five year time period again.

It is, in my opinion, a classic example of what I complain about with politics. The illusion of doing something so you can take credit with your voters, when all you have done is waste time and money.

The proposed Minnesota legislation regarding a prohibition on corporate ownership of single family homes is more interesting.

First, I really have no idea what the legislature thinks they will accomplish by this. The stated purpose, in the bill, is to try to make it easier for people to own their own home and build wealth. Ok, that's great, and a good idea, but how is prohibiting corporate ownership of single family homes going to do that?

I have no idea how many single family homes are rentals, but I would guess that whatever that number is, at least 80% of them are owned by corporations or a limited liability company. I know a lot of people who have one, two, maybe three rentals, or sometimes as many as five. All of those people hold the homes in a corporation or limited liability company. The sole reason is liability. If someone visiting a tenant slips and falls, they don't want to be personally sued.

Is prohibiting corporate ownership going to somehow put all of these homes on the market, and make them cheap enough for people to buy? Pretty unlikely. The reason that people don't buy their own home has nothing to do with "corporations" cornering the market on houses. It has everything to do with people can't afford it.

You want people to own their own homes. Do away with the 20 levels of bureaucracy you have to wade through to build a new home. I was talking with a developer awhile back. Once he owns the land, but has done nothing with it, it costs him at least 75 to100 grand per housing lot before he can even stick a shovel in the earth and begin the actual cost of digging a hole and constructing a home.
 
I will confess that I really wasn't trying to make any point with my brief response to Scooby's post. It was more my cynical take on what I think is a pretty useless Minnesota anti-corporate farming statute.

The idea behind these statutes, at least with respect to agricultural land, is to supposedly try to save the "family farm" (whatever that is) and to prevent what are perceived to be these large livestock ventures who come in, buy up 5000 acres, and have 20,000 dairy cows on them, or something, as opposed to the random dairy farmer with 100 cows.

I don't really have an opinion one way or another on that idea. I think there are positive points to be made on behalf of each side.

But Minnesota's statute, and their enforcement of it, is silly. If you put your farmland into a limited liability company or a corporation, basically the penalty is that the state can make you sell it out of the corporation or llc within five years from their discovering it. Of course, the likelihood that they discover it is almost nil.

Furthermore, you can sell it to yourself, or even better, to another corporation or llc you set up, which then triggers the five year time period again.

It is, in my opinion, a classic example of what I complain about with politics. The illusion of doing something so you can take credit with your voters, when all you have done is waste time and money.

The proposed Minnesota legislation regarding a prohibition on corporate ownership of single family homes is more interesting.

First, I really have no idea what the legislature thinks they will accomplish by this. The stated purpose, in the bill, is to try to make it easier for people to own their own home and build wealth. Ok, that's great, and a good idea, but how is prohibiting corporate ownership of single family homes going to do that?

I have no idea how many single family homes are rentals, but I would guess that whatever that number is, at least 80% of them are owned by corporations or a limited liability company. I know a lot of people who have one, two, maybe three rentals, or sometimes as many as five. All of those people hold the homes in a corporation or limited liability company. The sole reason is liability. If someone visiting a tenant slips and falls, they don't want to be personally sued.

Is prohibiting corporate ownership going to somehow put all of these homes on the market, and make them cheap enough for people to buy? Pretty unlikely. The reason that people don't buy their own home has nothing to do with "corporations" cornering the market on houses. It has everything to do with people can't afford it.

You want people to own their own homes. Do away with the 20 levels of bureaucracy you have to wade through to build a new home. I was talking with a developer awhile back. Once he owns the land, but has done nothing with it, it costs him at least 75 to100 grand per housing lot before he can even stick a shovel in the earth and begin the actual cost of digging a hole and constructing a home.

I was hoping there’s a distinction between someone who owns a few properties and Blackrock. Companies like black rock are changing the market substantially, not so much the people with a few.
 
I was hoping there’s a distinction between someone who owns a few properties and Blackrock. Companies like black rock are changing the market substantially, not so much the people with a few.
There’s little difference between the two. They’re the same parasite profiting off of other people’s labor.
 
There’s little difference between the two. They’re the same parasite profiting off of other people’s labor.
Parasitic, yes. The few people I know who do this are certainly not making cash offers on homes because they can’t, where as the large corps are obviously often doing all cash and winning bidding wars
 
Parasitic, yes. The few people I know who do this are certainly not making cash offers on homes because they can’t, where as the large corps are obviously often doing all cash and winning bidding wars
My heart weeps for them.

Anyone who owns more than one property is contributing to the problem. Some are worse than others, but they’re all still terrible.
 
Parasitic, yes. The few people I know who do this are certainly not making cash offers on homes because they can’t, where as the large corps are obviously often doing all cash and winning bidding wars

And it's great for them, because they can do a quick remodel and flip with no disclosures required because they never lived on the property. I went through this a couple years ago with a house we ended up passing on. We were the backup offer. The higher offer walked after getting the inspection results, so they moved on to us. The seller was a flipper who didn't have to d/c anything or tell us the inspection results, and I had no interest in paying for another inspection just to find out whatever the issue was, so we also passed.
 
My heart weeps for them.

Anyone who owns more than one property is contributing to the problem. Some are worse than others, but they’re all still terrible.
Oh I’m not saying I support them, there’s a reason I’m not doing it even though I could have afforded to jump in a few years ago. I just think the large investment firms are disgusting
 
Oh I’m not saying I support them, there’s a reason I’m not doing it even though I could have afforded to jump in a few years ago. I just think the large investment firms are disgusting
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I was hoping there’s a distinction between someone who owns a few properties and Blackrock. Companies like black rock are changing the market substantially, not so much the people with a few.

Out of curiosity I just skimmed through the landlord license list for Minneapolis. I didn't see reference to Blackrock, but I'm sure there are some investment companies on that list somewhere.

The list obviously includes not only single family homes, but also multi-family properties. However, it's clear from that list that a good number of them are owned by individuals (or the individuals are at least listed as the "owner"), instead of corporations or llcs. There are a lot of llc's and corporations listed as owners, but it isn't anywhere near the 80% that I guessed. Probably just less than half the properties, although again it's tough to tell from the list because it includes a lot more than single family homes.
 
Government is for guardrails. Capitalism without guardrails is the death of humanity on Earth.

It's the guardrails that are failing us right now. We don't have them, or we don't enforce them. Shame on us, and shame on them.
 
My heart weeps for them.

Anyone who owns more than one property is contributing to the problem. Some are worse than others, but they’re all still terrible.

And Hovey, feeling sorry for his "developer" buddy.

Maybe "developers" are the source of the problem. One of them, anyway.
 
Government is for guardrails. Capitalism without guardrails is the death of humanity on Earth.

It's the guardrails that are failing us right now. We don't have them, or we don't enforce them. Shame on us, and shame on them.

Yeah, eff those environmental impact studies, zoning laws, site permits, setback requirements, etc. Law of the jungle, baby! Let developers build shoddy structures like they do in China!
 
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