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Spent four hours talking whisky and politics (only planned for a single dram but that was abandoned unknowingly) with an incredible bartender in Oban. I thought it was incredibly interesting how he despised the idea of a democratic union where Scotland gets fucked because of the population difference between Scotland and London.

I won't be surprised if Ireland reunifies, Scotland goes independent in the next couple years. I know this isn't news to anyone paying attention, but holy Christ are they upset at brexit.

Anyways, this was probably a top two or three bar experience I've ever had. It was the bartender, mrs dx, and me for four hours (only interrupted by three guys looking for a pint for half an hour). We just chatted like we were friends who went back decades.
 
Side note DX, the picture you paint of Ireland on your trip makes me want to go visit. It sounds like it's been amazing.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Scotland goes independent in the next couple years.
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I don't think this happens as long as the Tories remain in power. They've said multiple times that they won't allow another referendum, and it's my understanding that any alternative path is non-binding and requires a certifying vote of the UK parliament.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I don't think this happens as long as the Tories remain in power. They've said multiple times that they won't allow another referendum, and it's my understanding that any alternative path is non-binding and requires a certifying vote of the UK parliament.
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Unless something changes substantially, they'll stay in power until the next election (which may be forced to come sooner than they'd like). I don't think we can overstate just how angry people are at that party right now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ta-comres-poll

I've seen other polls where the conservatives get nearly completely wiped out.
 
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Swansong said:
Unless something changes substantially, they'll stay in power until the next election. I don't think we can overstate just how angry people are at that party right now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ds-tories-by-25-points-in-savanta-comres-poll

I've seen other polls where the conservatives get nearly completely wiped out.
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Yeah, they have two years left before they’re forced to go to election (and that’s assuming no one forces one before then). It’ll almost certainly be some coalition of Labour, LibDem, and the SNP taking over. And the SNP will absolutely force a referendum.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Yeah, they have two years left before they’re forced to go to election (and that’s assuming no one forces one before then). It’ll almost certainly be some coalition of Labour, LibDem, and the SNP taking over. And the SNP will absolutely force a referendum.
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Tory MPs are already griping about Truss, barely a month in. That usually takes a season or two before the backbiting starts. If things don't turn around in a hurry (and they won't) I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of Tories call for a vote of no confidence themselves - or not block a Labour Party call - and then switch sides. Congress critters will never vote themselves out, but they also know how to read headwinds.
 
Swansong said:
Tory MPs are already griping about Truss, barely a month in. That usually takes a season or two before the backbiting starts. If things don't turn around in a hurry (and they won't) I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of Tories call for a vote of no confidence themselves - or not block a Labour Party call - and then switch sides. Congress critters will never vote themselves out, but they also know how to read headwinds.
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The Tories will just force another leadership election (Truss wasn’t the pick of a majority of MPs anyway) before they force a general election.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Spent four hours talking whisky and politics (only planned for a single dram but that was abandoned unknowingly) with an incredible bartender in Oban. I thought it was incredibly interesting how he despised the idea of a democratic union where Scotland gets fucked because of the population difference between Scotland and London.

I won't be surprised if Ireland reunifies, Scotland goes independent in the next couple years. I know this isn't news to anyone paying attention, but holy Christ are they upset at brexit.

Anyways, this was probably a top two or three bar experience I've ever had. It was the bartender, mrs dx, and me for four hours (only interrupted by three guys looking for a pint for half an hour). We just chatted like we were friends who went back decades.
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I was there in 2011, when the "Independence Movement" was in full swing and it didn't pass then. I get they are mad but I highly doubt it happens. I hope I am wrong but their hatred of the Brits has always been trumped in the end by something.

United Ireland I could maybe see though...
 
Handyman said:
I was there in 2011, when the "Independence Movement" was in full swing and it didn't pass then. I get they are mad but I highly doubt it happens.
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Really? I think it is inevitable. They only missed by about 5 points last time, and since then the English have been even more idiotic and incompetent than usual, which is a very high bar.

Now, personally, I have a dream of a world entirely unencumbered by the Anglo-Saxon trailer trash of all nations that has encumbered Western history for the last millennium, but in the interregnum we should at least hope the individual groups of derp spawn get to roll in the sewage of their own self-determination. And arguably the Scots have managed to keep themselves pretty clear of that stench anyway and can go join the Faroe Islands with their Daneslaw ilk.
 
As the Protestant population of N. Ireland continues to shrink over the next decade, I think Irish reunification is inevitable. Particularly as the rest of the UK continues its decline, the Catholic majority will want to reunite under a Dublin government that has done a very good job of marketing Ireland as the new business gateway to the EU.

Scottish independence is another animal entirely. I get that a lot of them are hot under the collar about Brexit, but culturally I think it's more complicated than that.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
As the Protestant population of N. Ireland continues to shrink over the next decade, I think Irish reunification is inevitable. Particularly as the rest of the UK continues its decline, the Catholic majority will want to reunite under a Dublin government that has done a very good job of marketing Ireland as the new business gateway to the EU.

Scottish independence is another animal entirely. I get that a lot of them are hot under the collar about Brexit, but culturally I think it's more complicated than that.
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I'm sure you know better than I. I thought the Scots merely detested the English, as opposed to the Irish who actively hate them.

I can't see the Protestants losing their occupation state without ultraviolence unless the English throw a canvas bag over them and punt them back over the Irish sea to Blackpool or whatever Mas-shole-like sewer they emerged from.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Scottish independence is another animal entirely. I get that a lot of them are hot under the collar about Brexit, but culturally I think it's more complicated than that.
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I think Brexit has complicated things and as the Tories continue to wreck the UK economy it only drives more to the SNP and independence. The economic factor was always the main sticking point in the independence debate but the UK economy isn’t what it was in 2014.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I think Brexit has complicated things and as the Tories continue to wreck the UK economy it only drives more to the SNP and independence. The economic factor was always the main sticking point in the independence debate but the UK economy isn’t what it was in 2014.
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Another thing is the EU has said the UK will never darken their towels again. OTOH, Ireland is in, and Scotland, Wales, and for that matter England are welcome.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
, but culturally I think it's more complicated than that.
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I don't think so. I really don't after spending the last two weeks here. Their economy has been ducked by London. Their tourism has been fucked by London. They're tired of it. Young and old alike.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you're getting at, but it seems like everyone is so angry.
 
aparch said:
Side note DX, the picture you paint of Ireland on your trip makes me want to go visit. It sounds like it's been amazing.
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Scotland but close enough that they'll joke about it here. ;-)

it's got to be my favorite country. They just get it here. They'll be the first to admit there are problems, but they're at least fixable.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Scotland but close enough that they'll joke about it here. ;-)

it's got to be my favorite country. They just get it here. They'll be the first to admit there are problems, but they're at least fixable.
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Well, they’re being dragged into something that 62%, at the time, of people didn’t want and now paying the consequences in spite of it.
 
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