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Bulldogs 09-10 Season

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USA vs Finland today at 4:30 on channel 48 in Duluth (MSNBC) if anyone's looking for women's hockey. We'll see what Finland's got.
 
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Well, that wasn't quite as ugly as Sweden's dismal performance against Canada. I'll go out on a limb ::cough:: and call Canada the overwhelming favorite for gold, USA for silver and Finland for bronze.
 
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Well, that wasn't quite as ugly as Sweden's dismal performance against Canada. I'll go out on a limb ::cough:: and call USA the overwhelming favorite for gold, Canada for silver and Finland for bronze.

FYP :p
 
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It has always been Canada's gold to lose -- similar to the US in 2002.
 
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It has always been Canada's gold to lose -- similar to the US in 2002.

The U.S. needs to focus on the semi-final. If - and only if - they prevail, they'll get their opportunity.
 
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UMD Sweeps with 2-1 win.. Steck played well...

QUOTE=JosephPSchmoe;4586332]Nice to see Steck get a complete game. She won't play much next year, if at all.[/QUOTE]

I'm thrilled that coach Miller started Steck in game 2. The back up needs to be prepared. Harss is only an injury away.


Binnyrus, I’m starting to think that you’re psychic.

With all the comments and questions here in the recent past about goaltenders, such as those quoted above, as well as those with respect to Grogan and Lura from the UM series a couple of weekends ago (sans Raty) on this and on other threads, here’s another post to add to the mix with a few more questions being posed. (If I would have remembered before I started this how much information and opinion I’ve heard in the last year or so on this topic instead of having it occur to me as I was typing, I don’t think that I would have proceeded…so, sorry for the lengthy post).

What's been happening on your team at that position, until very recently, was getting curiouser and curiouser...until it just seemed long past strange for a number of reasons. When discussions down at the rink have turned to various local players’ careers this one has gotten its share of air time. I am referring here to Steck. Those who are familiar with her play and the situation who were previously scratching their heads early in the season have more recently been shaking them. Why Miller hasn’t been playing her, until very recently, is a real mystery. Some background might be helpful, and some unusual things that I heard in the off season, useful, in understanding the reason for that comment.

When Miller was aggressively recruiting Steck she emphatically assured Steck and her family several times that if she committed to UMD that Miller would play her often to challenge Martin for the #1 position because that's how highly she thought of Steck's abilities. It would be reasonable to assume that those repeated assurances were a major component in Steck's committing to UMD. Then came her injury and a year off. Miller still wanted her, so everything was postponed for a year.

As if it wasn't enough to be having to regain her abilities and confidence after the major injury, I've heard that when she was ready to play last fall, meaning the fall of 2008, that she was playing with a fractured finger and a completely torn ligament in that finger which was apparently sustained in a pre-game warm up early in the season...but, she still played when called upon. She was also initially playing with skates borrowed from Martin because hers hadn't arrived (they had a year to get that right) and when they finally showed up months later, they were the wrong size...but she wore them anyway. To top it off, she was playing with a glove that didn't fit properly that was constantly slipping off her hand regardless of countless attempts to make adjustments to it.

Sounds like a bit of a handicap. All I can say for sure is, thanks to the MSU commentator's making a note of it, and their handy replay feature last year, that that glove did cost her at least one goal last season that I saw...it was falling off her hand during a breakaway on her. Two or three more goals that don't go in during the year if these handicaps didn't exist, if they were related, then all of a sudden her stats would have been quite commendable and who knows how the rest of the season would have unfolded for her. In that game, her only start of the year, just after Martin got injured, she didn't play overly well...even though UMD won that game rather handily...but, as mentioned, at least one of the goals scored on her was directly attributable to the equipment problem just described.

Based on there having been no shortage of comments volunteered in these local discussions on the next point, I’d say here’s where it starts getting more interesting…(this is the general consensus, as I recall it)…the following weekend was a series vs UM. Had she played well in the MSU game and/or if Miller had played her enough up to that point to allow Steck to work out the bugs, it is reasonable to assume that Miller would have started her vs UM (and if so, again, who knows how things would have turned out for her from there) since Miller said that she struggled with that decision until the last minute...but under the circumstances of having an off game in her first start just days earlier (for whatever reasons) and Miller's not having played her much up until then, it seems that Miller had, in a way, painted herself into a corner...but, under those circumstances, made the right decision and started Ellison vs a powerful team like UM. (The point here being that Steck hadn't been given much playing time and only one start in which to develop game confidence again and hadn’t played up to her abilities in that game and so to start her in the next game which was a high pressure/important game vs UM, as well as being in the home stretch, might have been asking/expecting a lot). To Ellison's credit she played extremely well, so from that point onward it was a no brainer for Miller to keep starting her...and she kept playing well. Great for the team and Ellison...a little less so for Steck, but all logical in the sequence of events.

I saw her playing once this past summer at one of those scrimmages that I mentioned last season and from what I saw, and remember, she looked better than before the injury and the year off. From what I’ve heard, that opinion seems to be shared by others. The guy that runs those scrimmages can’t speak highly enough of her. Both his WHL junior players and AHL players, among others, (his “monsters” as he collectively calls them) are constantly on him to have her come out instead of any male goaltenders because they tell him that she gives them more of a challenge…and that’s what they are there for…to improve their game. I even heard two of them literally cussing her out during the action that I witnessed , (they ignored the puck and the play momentarily and skated back in front of her to tell her, in no uncertain terms, what was on their minds), because she was constantly frustrating them. It was actually quite funny…these guys were seriously po’d. These are not D1 women…they are junior men and higher. And from what I was told by the guy in charge and the little I saw, they hold nothing back on her, either with their moves or with their shots, but that is not the case for the other female goalies as well as for several of the male goalies that he has out. In his opinion this is the ultimate sign of respect from these, his most talented players. I also overheard him saying that she could play D1 without equipment and still play well. This is the regard that she is held in.

With that in mind, when this season began, surprisingly, at least to some of us, Harss was started. With all due respect to her, from the games that I saw she only played well in one out of the first half dozen or so and looked quite shaky in the rest. More surprisingly, she kept being started. To her credit, though, she has steadily improved into a solid and capable keeper. Some of her technicals seem to have improved as well..

The major difference is that Harss, when given the initial chance, didn’t play well but was still played constantly in spite of that and as a result has improved and has had a chance to prove herself. Steck hasn’t been given that same opportunity and now the end of the season and the playoffs are looming…again.

Based on Miller’s recruiting promises to Steck, if you conclude that Harss doesn’t have Martin’s abilities then you have to wonder why Steck hasn’t been starting, or at the very least, why she hasn’t been played regularly? Even if you conclude that Harss does have Martin’s abilities, you‘d still have to ask the same questions. Therein lies the mystery. So what could the reason be for Miller’s not playing/starting Steck, minor injury downtime aside? Are we fat chewers missing something?

continued...
 
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This is where it gets even more interesting…where Binnyrus was reading minds. It appears that Miller has been possibly painting herself into a corner again just like last year but this year she has had more room to maneuver on the one hand, meaning that Steck has been fully capable and available since the start of the season, (again, minor injury downtime aside), but Miller, for whatever reason, has not taken advantage of that fact…however, on the other hand, she has less room to maneuver, meaning that she only has two goalies (based on her own comments) that are capable of game time at this level. So, as you round the clubhouse turn, assuming that the status quo continues, if Harss gets injured, Steck will be called upon in the home stretch without having been given the opportunity to become game comfortable as a starter in non pressure cooker games. That strikes some of us as being an important consideration when this less than desirable situation could have easily been avoided by playing her regularly earlier in the season. This point is made, if it’s a consideration at all, because I believe that it’s now been close to three years since Steck has started a game for a team apart from the one game vs. MSU last year and the two in the last couple of weeks (which were nice to finally see for her)…and logic would dictate that the longer it continues it certainly wouldn’t seem to improve the situation…but, then again, as mentioned, some may not deem that to be a factor of any importance.

At any rate it does seem like Miller has really been missing the boat on this one. She has a player that she aggressively recruited and made promises to, and who, from what I’ve seen and heard, would be the starting goalie on most D1 teams, and yet hasn’t given her the opportunity to play regularly or much at all…even when the other goalie was obviously struggling…very strange. I guess we semi-homers don’t get the strategy. Maybe some ‘Dogs fans can enlighten some of us dimmer bulbs.

One would think that the beginning of the season would have been an ideal time to have them share duties like Grogan and Lura did at UM before Raty. And there is no reason to believe that both couldn’t have developed alongside one another with shared game time. Seems like the team would have been the big beneficiary…especially now, as the playoffs approach. And who knows, after a few games each, if one was to have emerged over the other, who might have ended up being the starter? You won’t know this year. And if not this year, with Martin returning next year….what happens then? (There was no consensus on this one…just more head scratching).

But maybe, and hopefully for both her and your team, this situation is beginning to be corrected, with the two starts in the past couple of weeks. Under the many circumstances already described, not the least of which are the looming playoffs, it would seem to be more than logical.

I guess only time will tell…but it‘s now in really short supply… hopefully, it won’t be too little too late and won’t turn around and bite your team come playoff time.

Good luck with the rest of the season and stay injury free.
 
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Blackbeard.............with all do respect you are missing the fact that Steck had 2 significant injuries 1 to each ankle that took some time to heal..............
 
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Blackbeard.............with all do respect you are missing the fact that Steck had 2 significant injuries 1 to each ankle that took some time to heal..............

Harss had found her game by the time Steck was healed from the last ankle injury. And until last weekend, the team hadn't lost since early December. On a streak like that and with every weekend being important as the Dogs made their move for the league title, you don't pull a hot goaltender just to be fair to the backup goalie. Yes, that sucks for Steck. Nobody's saying she's not good enough to play. But switching goalies in the middle of a hot streak doesn't make much sense.

Only having one backup goalie isn't ideal (Gilderman doesn't count; she was brought aboard to be a practice goalie only and that's all she wants to do.) There's probably some finger-crossing going on by the coaching staff for the rest of the season, but next year we have Martin and Harss who are probably going to compete for the starting job. If either struggle, or if Coach Miller wants to have all three compete for the starting job, I wouldn't argue with that. Steck is certainly good enough.
 
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Blackbeard.............with all do respect you are missing the fact that Steck had 2 significant injuries 1 to each ankle that took some time to heal..............

Thanks Reaper, but I'm aware. I did mention "minor injury downtime aside"... not meaning to say that they were insignificant but that they were minor in relation to the one that sidelined her for a year. Luckily, with respect to the second ankle injury, most, if not all, of the recovery time was over the month of December so she wasn't out of the line up for many games. All things considered, she has been available for the majority of the games this season.
 
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Harss had found her game by the time Steck was healed from the last ankle injury.

What about the month of November after she had recovered from the first ankle injury before Harss found her game?


And until last weekend, the team hadn't lost since early December. On a streak like that and with every weekend being important as the Dogs made their move for the league title, you don't pull a hot goaltender just to be fair to the backup goalie. Yes, that sucks for Steck. Nobody's saying she's not good enough to play. But switching goalies in the middle of a hot streak doesn't make much sense.

A couple of points...if we're talking about fairly recently, in the last few games of that hot streak Steck was started twice and contributed 2 wins (I just checked, almost had 2 shutouts, 1 goal against in 2 games) so, you wouldn't have been "pulling a hot goaltender" or "switching goalies in the middle of a hot streak" since Steck had already played and played extremely well and as a result had contributed to that hot streak. Secondly, the issue from the discussions on this end was not one of fairness but of logic...all things addressed in the original post considered. No argument here, but it's important that we have the facts clear before we can hope to benefit from each other's contribution.


but next year we have Martin and Harss who are probably going to compete for the starting job.

Not saying that you're wrong, but what are you basing this on?


Nobody's saying she's not good enough to play. ...but next year we have Martin and Harss who are probably going to compete for the starting job. If either struggle, or if Coach Miller wants to have all three compete for the starting job, I wouldn't argue with that. Steck is certainly good enough.

Schmoe, are you sure that you haven't been part of these discussions on this end? Sounds like you could fit right in...you're basically agreeing with the general consensus except that it sounds like you haven't quite gotten to the next step of asking..where is the logic in this? In other words, if you can say that she is good enough, then why isn't she playing? If Coach Miller thought she was talented enough to challenge Martin for the #1 spot, not knowing who would emerge the victor, then why not play her now when Martin is absent?...unless, of course, you conclude that Harss is superior to Martin in which case maybe Steck might be battling Martin next year for the #2 spot. But no matter which way you cut it, if you look at the facts, it is illogical that Steck is not or will not be playing, and this is without even considering the coach's, as of yet, unfulfilled committment to her. If you have racehorses...let them run...that's the only way you are ever going to really know who wins. Seems like the big beneficiary would be the team. That's how we see it. Don't misunderstand, we don't know what's going on either...we just have questions and our opinions...and hopefully can benefit from some 'Dogs fans input that maybe we are not aware of...but the focus on this end has been on what is and what is not logical, all things considered.
 
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Well, now. THIS is fun, isn't it?

We're tied for #1 and tomorrow we're all going to be on the edge of our seats. Man, I love this game.

UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD! UMD!
 
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We'd have the tie-breaker with more wins after splitting the 4 games with the Goofs right?
 
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I think if we win and Minny wins tonight, we're still tied in which case we would be co-champs. I think. Somebody help me on this...

In any event, if we have to determine the seeding for the playoffs, the UMD page has this lengthy explanation on how that works towards the bottom of the article.

http://www.umdbulldogs.com/teams-womens-hockey.php?id=4889&page=news

I'll copy and paste if you don't want to link over....

WCHA TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES FOR PLAYOFF SEEDING PURPOSES ONLY: In the event that UMD and Minnesota end up in a tie this weekend for the WCHA title, the following will occur:

Teams will be ranked by the number of points accumulated. If two teams are tied for first place, they will be declared co-WCHA champions.

In the event that ties are encountered in the determination of WCHA ranking or designation of home teams for playoff purposes, the following procedures will be used in the order given to break the ties:

a) If two or more teams are tied, head-to-head competition during the regular (conference) season will be used to break the tie.

b) If two or more teams are still tied after (a), the highest seed will go to the team with the most WCHA (conference) wins during the regular season.

c) If two or more teams played a four-game series during the regular season and the teams have the same win-loss records for those series and the same number of WCHA wins, the team having the least number of goals scored against it in the four-game series shall have the higher rank.

d) If two or more teams are still tied after applying the provisions of (a), (b) and (c), the team having the greatest ("winning margin¹ during the regular season will have the higher rank. Winning margin = WCHA goals for during the regular season minus WCHA goals against.

e) Games played against WCHA opponents in holiday tournaments will not be counted in the determinations.

f) Shootout wins used during the WCHA regular season will not be counted in the determinations. Shootout games will be recorded as a tie in the determinations.
 
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We'd have the tie-breaker with more wins after splitting the 4 games with the Goofs right?
Wow... you guys really don't read other threads, do ya? :rolleyes: ;) :p

I posted this in the WCHA thread about 90 minutes before your question...
Minnesota and Minnesota-Duluth are tied for first, and each team has won 2 of the 4 head-to-head games. If they finish tied after Saturday's games, I believe that they will both be crowned as regular season co-champions, but UMD holds the second tiebreaker for seeding, having more wins (non-shootout) in conference.
 
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Thanks Crazy Dave. Didn't get to that thread before I posted. It was more out of frantic excitement for where we are sitting right now.

I'm on my way to Bemidji. I can't possibly sit here and listen on my computer.

Anyone else going over?
 
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