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BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

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defkit said:
I saw that too, but the rest of the quote was very Pro-BU. He said something like it blew his mind that he didn't opt for NCAA/BU sooner than he did.

I think he was using the past tense from the sense of that team, knowing that the team would be different next year. He is not NHL ready, and I can't beleive that a team like Nashville would push to sign him when he still needs development.

There are tweets about Keller signing in time to play for the Yotes tomorrow (mentions that it is too late to burn a year off the ELC), and the Wild talking to Greenway's advisor about signing him for next season.
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One-and-done defensemen are quite rare. Fabbro seems to be the least of the flight risks.

Arizona's game tomorrow is in St. Louis, a stone's throw from Keller's hometown. He grew up in the Jr. Blues organization. And the Coyotes next game after that is at home against the Blues.
 
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Rogie21 said:
One-and-done defensemen are quite rare. Fabbro seems to be the least of the flight risks..
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maybe a 2nd yr for him, but at the end of the day they need to play against bigger/faster/stronger fwds to develop. weren't many of us surprised with strait left to play in the ahl? but it did help him. heck, it's not like bu can schedule games vs 24 & 25yo players on merrimack and umlol every night :p
 
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"chuck fletcher / jordan greenway's advisor to speak today. #mnwild would love to sign JG to deal starting 17-18 if he wants to leave BU but Greenway could wait to sign. for an ATO to play a few wks in Iowa. he'll need to decide if it's worth ending semester early."

@russotrib
 
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Rogie21 said:
One-and-done defensemen are quite rare. Fabbro seems to be the least of the flight risks.

Arizona's game tomorrow is in St. Louis, a stone's throw from Keller's hometown. He grew up in the Jr. Blues organization. And the Coyotes next game after that is at home against the Blues.
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SB Nation now reporting Keller has signed with the Coyotes. Good luck, Clayton. Let's remember that beyond his on-ice contributions, he helped Quinn convince Oettinger and Krys to commit to BU.
http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...ton-university-hockey-east-rookie-of-the-year
 
Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Loss was tougher to take then I thought it would be because the game ended up being very winnable against a team that did not look all that formidable all weekend. BU couldn't convert when they could early and that late first period goal was an absolute killer, starting with a less then heady play by knucklehead McAvoy (know the game situation and time!). Oettinger wasn't perfect and he needed to be but there wouldn't have been a game without him on Friday.They should have won the game and had a shot at beating a familiar foe next. Would be nice to have put another FF on the resume. Going to miss watching Keller he was "the" offense. In the old days he would have played with Eichel for 2 years, and you wonder why oldies like me are always pining for the teams of the 70's 80's 90's. . Next years team will be much more fun to watch undoubtedly.
 
Jofa said:
Loss was tougher to take then I thought it would be because the game ended up being very winnable against a team that did not look all that formidable all weekend. BU couldn't convert when they could early and that late first period goal was an absolute killer, starting with a less then heady play by knucklehead McAvoy (know the game situation and time!). Oettinger wasn't perfect and he needed to be but there wouldn't have been a game without him on Friday.They should have won the game and had a shot at beating a familiar foe next. Would be nice to have put another FF on the resume. Going to miss watching Keller he was "the" offense. In the old days he would have played with Eichel for 2 years, and you wonder why oldies like me are always pining for the teams of the 70's 80's 90's. . Next years team will be much more fun to watch undoubtedly.
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Oh the blasphemy criticizing Charlie...I loved how they were now calling him a defensive defenseman this weekend because of the lack of scoring numbers..the greatest recruiting class in the history of college hockey just became average with the loss of Keller...careful you are going to be accused of being someone's dad soon
 
Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Jofa said:
and you wonder why oldies like me are always pining for the teams of the 70's 80's 90's. . Next years team will be much more fun to watch undoubtedly.
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This is what I worry about as well. I read the quote from the Duluth players saying "This is why we came back" (after losing two straight regional finals - to BU and BC no less). Are those days gone? Yes, I'm proud of what the team did, but are we ever going to get to that point where there is enough continuity to develop a true team chemistry and leadership to get us past the regionals? Although the "philosophy" of recruiting so many "high end" players will "always" keep us "competitive," we need MORE than that to go all the way. Remember, take away the '09 team (which embodied exactly what I have been talking about - a perfect combination of older leadership and high-end talent), BU has won the whole thing ONCE in the last 22 years.

And I'm not BLAMING anyone. Unfortunately, I think this is the way it is today. There doesn't seem to be any value in a group of people working together to achieve something anymore...just the "I want to get mine" immediate gratification mentality. You can't tell me that guys like Boeser from North Dakota, for example, don't have their pro careers ALWAYS in their minds. I mean, the guy scored a goal in the NHL <b>less than 24 hours</b> after the loss to BU. How can one focus on the task at hand when he is always thinking about tomorrow? Nobody seems to live in the present anymore and the attention spans are miniscule. And I think this explains in part the inconsistent play. BU was able to focus for a couple of big games this weekend, but for the most part all season, they were "MIA" for long stretches in almost every game. In the majority of instances they were able to overcome this with their talent, but that only works for so long. Everyone wants to "rush" through their life and do everything immediately. I believe that the constant exposure to everything that is going on instantaneously, via technology, has distorted people's sense of reality. As I said yesterday, "What's the rush?" The contract will be there tomorrow. And if the argument is "What if I suffer a career-ending injury or something and didn't take the money when I had the chance?" my response is "So???? Does your life end? That's one of the reasons you are going to college, isn't it? To prepare yourself for LIFE."

Maybe it's the lack of good parenting. Of course, team representatives, agents, etc are going to expound upon the "advantages" of leaving school early, but that's because it benefits THEM. Who is looking out for the athlete? Sorry to say, that's the parents' responsibility, but they get seduced and enticed also.

I just hope we don't see season after season of "near misses" because nobody stays around to develop a TEAM long enough.
 
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I know it’s really early and a lot is dependent on who stays and who leaves but what are everyone's thoughts for next season? I was looking at the list of recruits and I wonder if Quinn and co. over recruited? He may have been preparing for the worst case scenario in terms of early departures but assuming more stay than expected, will some recruits be asked to de-commit? Or some current players leave?

Here are my subjective evaluations of potential scenarios

Worst Case - 6 F and 4 D
Forwards
Kelley - Roberto - Keller - Greenway - JFK - Bellows (for MJ possibly)
Defense:
Somerby - McAvoy - Hickey - Fabbro

Likely Case – 5 F and 3 D
Forwards
Kelley - Roberto - Keller - Greenway - JFK
Defense
Somerby - McAvoy - Hickey

Best Case – 4 F and 2 D
Forwards
Kelley - Roberto - Keller - Greenway
Defense
Somerby – McAvoy

Recruits – 5 F and 3 D
Forwards
Bowers- Crone – Cockerill – Tkachuk – Amonte
Defense
Farrance – Kotkansalo – Crotty

I personally think there’s a good chance that the Best Case comes to fruition with JFK and Hickey staying one more year. As long as we avoid the Worst Case, I think we’re looking at a pretty solid team (on paper anyway) for next year. Maybe not as much high end talent but the depth looks real good.
 
chickod said:
This is what I worry about as well. I read the quote from the Duluth players saying "This is why we came back" (after losing two straight regional finals - to BU and BC no less). Are those days gone? Yes, I'm proud of what the team did, but are we ever going to get to that point where there is enough continuity to develop a true team chemistry and leadership to get us past the regionals? Although the "philosophy" of recruiting so many "high end" players will "always" keep us "competitive," we need MORE than that to go all the way. Remember, take away the '09 team (which embodied exactly what I have been talking about - a perfect combination of older leadership and high-end talent), BU has won the whole thing ONCE in the last 22 years.

And I'm not BLAMING anyone. Unfortunately, I think this is the way it is today. There doesn't seem to be any value in a group of people working together to achieve something anymore...just the "I want to get mine" immediate gratification mentality. You can't tell me that guys like Boeser from North Dakota, for example, don't have their pro careers ALWAYS in their minds. I mean, the guy scored a goal in the NHL <b>less than 24 hours</b> after the loss to BU. How can one focus on the task at hand when he is always thinking about tomorrow? Nobody seems to live in the present anymore and the attention spans are miniscule. And I think this explains in part the inconsistent play. BU was able to focus for a couple of big games this weekend, but for the most part all season, they were "MIA" for long stretches in almost every game. In the majority of instances they were able to overcome this with their talent, but that only works for so long. Everyone wants to "rush" through their life and do everything immediately. I believe that the constant exposure to everything that is going on instantaneously, via technology, has distorted people's sense of reality. As I said yesterday, "What's the rush?" The contract will be there tomorrow. And if the argument is "What if I suffer a career-ending injury or something and didn't take the money when I had the chance?" my response is "So???? Does your life end? That's one of the reasons you are going to college, isn't it? To prepare yourself for LIFE."

Maybe it's the lack of good parenting. Of course, team representatives, agents, etc are going to expound upon the "advantages" of leaving school early, but that's because it benefits THEM. Who is looking out for the athlete? Sorry to say, that's the parents' responsibility, but they get seduced and enticed also.

I just hope we don't see season after season of "near misses" because nobody stays around to develop a TEAM long enough.
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Team represetatives...family advisors..agents..etc are also in the locker room lobbying for their guys and "helping" with the line up...they don't care about who played better or what's best for BU..only that their guy gets ice time...in defense of Quinn...hard to coach under those circumstances..**** off the wrong NHL team and you don't get the next Eichel or Keller..remain to be seen if this is the way to build your team.
 
Bumbles said:
I know it’s really early and a lot is dependent on who stays and who leaves but what are everyone's thoughts for next season? I was looking at the list of recruits and I wonder if Quinn and co. over recruited? He may have been preparing for the worst case scenario in terms of early departures but assuming more stay than expected, will some recruits be asked to de-commit? Or some current players leave?

Here are my subjective evaluations of potential scenarios

Worst Case - 6 F and 4 D
Forwards
Kelley - Roberto - Keller - Greenway - JFK - Bellows (for MJ possibly)
Defense:
Somerby - McAvoy - Hickey - Fabbro

Likely Case – 5 F and 3 D
Forwards
Kelley - Roberto - Keller - Greenway - JFK
Defense
Somerby - McAvoy - Hickey

Best Case – 4 F and 2 D
Forwards
Kelley - Roberto - Keller - Greenway
Defense
Somerby – McAvoy

Recruits – 5 F and 3 D
Forwards
Bowers- Crone – Cockerill – Tkachuk – Amonte
Defense
Farrance – Kotkansalo – Crotty

I personally think there’s a good chance that the Best Case comes to fruition with JFK and Hickey staying one more year. As long as we avoid the Worst Case, I think we’re looking at a pretty solid team (on paper anyway) for next year. Maybe not as much high end talent but the depth looks real good.
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Hickey is going nowhere..Flames are not happy with him ..great compete level and a terrific penalty killer but you can't miss 75% of your passes and play in the NHL...McAvoy is 50/50 because he won't be playing for the Bruins so if he wants some cash and to play in Providence he will go..if not he will stay...JFK will be back..terrific student
and would rather get his education than play in the minors..Greenway gone and hopefully Bellows

Depending on the losses they will just de commit or defer players...Crotty and Katkansalo could use another year in juniors anyway..should be some scoring depth with the incoming forwards to offset the loss of Keller...as long as Oettinger is in net this will be a good team
 
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These top flight NHL prospects being so prevalent in college is such a new thing that I think a lot of coaches aren't entirely sure how to handle roster construction in recruiting and in play, how to handle the agents and advisors hanging over the kids' heads, and everything else that surrounds the hoopla. This group likely will be a learning experience for a lot of programs who recruit these kids who now want to play college. It's a double-edged sword for coaches, when the Eichels and Kellers of the world WANT to come play for you, you can't just say no. But at the same time you know you'll lose them after a year. To a lesser extent, the same argument applies to the likes of McAvoy, Bellows, Fabbro, etc. MJ is no longer the obvious destination for the best young players - and that's a great thing! - but coaches and programs are going to have to figure out how to manage the baggage that comes along with having first rounders on your team each year.

In terms of next year I'm as interested in the progression of the likes of Curry, Chabot, Cloonan and some of the other 3rd and 4th line guys. We're going to need increased contributions from that part of the roster which we haven't got the last few years and it hurt us in spots. It's become very clear that to win at this level you need the high-end players at the top, but you need that depth on the third and fourth lines who can contribute offensively and not be liabilities on the ice in a tournament situation. We didn't have enough of that beyond the top two lines in 2015, we didn't get the progression that was expected last year from guys like Greer and Robbie and it hurt. I'm confident the coaching staff can see that and start to better construct the roster - you need a lot of different types of pieces to win now, a mix of experience and high-end talent. We're also extremely fortunate to have a spectacular goaltender behind it all who hopefully will follow the Demko plan and give us three solid years.
 
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BUtogether said:
Hickey is going nowhere..Flames are not happy with him ..great compete level and a terrific penalty killer but you can't miss 75% of your passes and play in the NHL...McAvoy is 50/50 because he won't be playing for the Bruins so if he wants some cash and to play in Providence he will go..if not he will stay...JFK will be back..terrific student
and would rather get his education than play in the minors..Greenway gone and hopefully Bellows
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We have our significant differences in opinion on things, but it's clear you have some level of connection to the sport so I'll ask, are these your educated guesses or is this based on information you've heard?
 
brassbonanza said:
We have our significant differences in opinion on things, but it's clear you have some level of connection to the sport so I'll ask, are these your educated guesses or is this based on information you've heard?
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A little bit of both..I could tell you some other things that would surprise you but on this forum you just get called names and accused of being someone's parent
 
Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

BUtogether said:
Hickey is going nowhere..Flames are not happy with him ..great compete level and a terrific penalty killer but you can't miss 75% of your passes and play in the NHL...McAvoy is 50/50 because he won't be playing for the Bruins so if he wants some cash and to play in Providence he will go..if not he will stay...JFK will be back..terrific student
and would rather get his education than play in the minors..Greenway gone and hopefully Bellows

Depending on the losses they will just de commit or defer players...Crotty and Katkansalo could use another year in juniors anyway..should be some scoring depth with the incoming forwards to offset the loss of Keller...as long as Oettinger is in net this will be a good team
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Based on no evidence whatsover but I also feel like McAvoy leaving isn't an entirely foregone conclusion. Getting JFK back would be huge - next year could really be a breakout year for him as he should be far and away our top F.
 
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