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BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
I see no reason why we should expect O'Regan and O'Connor to be at BU for their senior seasons. You could maybe make a case for O'Connor since goalies tend not to leave early as much as skaters, but I'd almost be surprised to see O'Regan come back next year. If they can't start keeping at least some of their better players on the team for more than 2-3 years then it doesn't matter what else they do.
Halfway through the season and again the points leader is a freshman. No one has more than 13 points and no one has more than 5 goals. At this pace this team won't reach 15 wins. They'll finish with fewer than 80 goals on the season. No one will have more than 10 goals and they won't have a 30 point scorer on the team. But hey, at least they changed the format of the Hockey East tournament so they'll be making the tournament.
For those who expected this team to not be very good this year you would at least look for something to build from. You want to see them establish a play style and see individual improvements in players. Oksanen and Lane had been improving dramatically from last season (as was Kurker from what I saw before he stopped playing). Other than that, everyone else on the team took a huge step backward. The last few games I've seen Oksanen was terrible and the entire offense was completely non-existent. In the Merrimack game, the only offense they had was someone (Rodrigues, Lane, or Grzelcyk) skating up the left side (same side every time), going around the back of the net and either trying a wrap-around or sending the puck across the crease hoping someone was there to put it in the far side (though no one ever was). There was no passing, no one making a move to beat a defender, no one muscling a defender out of the way to create space. No one on this team knows how to play without the puck and few seem to know how to play with it. But the penalties are down and the powerplay is great so mission accomplished right?
I see no reason why we should expect O'Regan and O'Connor to be at BU for their senior seasons. You could maybe make a case for O'Connor since goalies tend not to leave early as much as skaters, but I'd almost be surprised to see O'Regan come back next year. If they can't start keeping at least some of their better players on the team for more than 2-3 years then it doesn't matter what else they do.
Halfway through the season and again the points leader is a freshman. No one has more than 13 points and no one has more than 5 goals. At this pace this team won't reach 15 wins. They'll finish with fewer than 80 goals on the season. No one will have more than 10 goals and they won't have a 30 point scorer on the team. But hey, at least they changed the format of the Hockey East tournament so they'll be making the tournament.
For those who expected this team to not be very good this year you would at least look for something to build from. You want to see them establish a play style and see individual improvements in players. Oksanen and Lane had been improving dramatically from last season (as was Kurker from what I saw before he stopped playing). Other than that, everyone else on the team took a huge step backward. The last few games I've seen Oksanen was terrible and the entire offense was completely non-existent. In the Merrimack game, the only offense they had was someone (Rodrigues, Lane, or Grzelcyk) skating up the left side (same side every time), going around the back of the net and either trying a wrap-around or sending the puck across the crease hoping someone was there to put it in the far side (though no one ever was). There was no passing, no one making a move to beat a defender, no one muscling a defender out of the way to create space. No one on this team knows how to play without the puck and few seem to know how to play with it. But the penalties are down and the powerplay is great so mission accomplished right?
Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
You noting that the new regime has improved two of our major complaints of the old staff in a couple months actually made me more optimistic. If they can improve 2 more in the second half then come back next year with their entire top 3 lines and 5 of the top 6 D this thread will likely change its tune.
(Not saying it is guaranteed to happen)
You noting that the new regime has improved two of our major complaints of the old staff in a couple months actually made me more optimistic. If they can improve 2 more in the second half then come back next year with their entire top 3 lines and 5 of the top 6 D this thread will likely change its tune.
(Not saying it is guaranteed to happen)
Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
Given his generally sub-par to putrid season thus far, I'm not exactly sure what O'Regan's prospects are at this point outside of BU hockey. Were he kicking butt every night, or even setting up perfect passes that his linemates were whiffing on, I'd say fine but most of the time you don't even notice him on the ice. That's not a recipe for bigger and better things, so in his case I'd strongly advise staying the 4 years, bagging a degree and if he has a solid junior and senior year the sky's the limit. For him to leave early from a position of negotiating strength with whoever has his rights, he'll need a HE MVP level performance next year.
The big improvements on this team are that they play hard almost all of the time, where as previously they were taking periods, games, and semesters of. Also that they've cut down on goonery. Two positive developments on a young team.
The problem I suspect beyond the aforementioned lack of speed/talent is that there are too many holes to plug to make this a successful team. They can't play Lowell style despite being good in net because the D is bad and gives up 50 shots a game. They can't crash the net because they're too slow to generate odd man rushes and don't pass terribly well. They could hit more if they could catch the better players but their only odds of slamming Gaudreau for example is when he's stopped in front of the net which is an automatic trip to the penalty box.
Thanks to bad recruiting and too many departures due to run-ins with the law or general dissatifaction with the team this is one of the least talented BU teams I've seen since the early 2000's. I'm happy to go to the games because I do feel they're giving it their all. Unfortunately as the old saying goes, if this is their best, their best won't do.
Given his generally sub-par to putrid season thus far, I'm not exactly sure what O'Regan's prospects are at this point outside of BU hockey. Were he kicking butt every night, or even setting up perfect passes that his linemates were whiffing on, I'd say fine but most of the time you don't even notice him on the ice. That's not a recipe for bigger and better things, so in his case I'd strongly advise staying the 4 years, bagging a degree and if he has a solid junior and senior year the sky's the limit. For him to leave early from a position of negotiating strength with whoever has his rights, he'll need a HE MVP level performance next year.
The big improvements on this team are that they play hard almost all of the time, where as previously they were taking periods, games, and semesters of. Also that they've cut down on goonery. Two positive developments on a young team.
The problem I suspect beyond the aforementioned lack of speed/talent is that there are too many holes to plug to make this a successful team. They can't play Lowell style despite being good in net because the D is bad and gives up 50 shots a game. They can't crash the net because they're too slow to generate odd man rushes and don't pass terribly well. They could hit more if they could catch the better players but their only odds of slamming Gaudreau for example is when he's stopped in front of the net which is an automatic trip to the penalty box.
Thanks to bad recruiting and too many departures due to run-ins with the law or general dissatifaction with the team this is one of the least talented BU teams I've seen since the early 2000's. I'm happy to go to the games because I do feel they're giving it their all. Unfortunately as the old saying goes, if this is their best, their best won't do.
ericredaxe
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mookie1995
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
Mookie heard Quinn say in the club room at his introduction meeting that this was not a rebuilding situation. That things were not broken. That pieces were in place. And that tree was a very good class of recruits coming in with him.
Mookie heard Quinn say in the club room at his introduction meeting that this was not a rebuilding situation. That things were not broken. That pieces were in place. And that tree was a very good class of recruits coming in with him.
CollegeHockeyRinkReport
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
I'm sure this will upset someone, but I posted my goaltender rankings and put O'Connor at 6…genuinely interested in feedback
http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...ouellette-connor-hellebuyck-steven-summerhays
and yes I've seen every team in the league at least twice in person.
I'm sure this will upset someone, but I posted my goaltender rankings and put O'Connor at 6…genuinely interested in feedback
http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...ouellette-connor-hellebuyck-steven-summerhays
and yes I've seen every team in the league at least twice in person.
Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
It could be, if BU was ok with that. If I were the AD, I wouldn't want a guy who felt "eh, 2-3 years of some W's and I'll take the Panthers job". As an alum and fan, I don't think the program needs to be looking for a new coach in a few years...I expect them to find a guy who isn't so comfortable that he doesn't feel pressure but is planning to be here for 10 years if he can get the job done. There is too much churn at the NHL level to take a guy who has an eye on the wanted ads from the get-go. I don't think the 10 most storied programs are ones that would want, to or need to, take a guy who was just killin' time until a better offer came in.
Of course, many a bad interviewer has been burned by the question not asked or the thread not pulled.
mookie, you or I would have said the same things at a press conference, wouldn't want to scare away any prospects or cause a panic...but realistically, we all thought it was broken in some way, shape or form. I've got no problem with the outward statement of "we don't need to rebuild". Good positioning, no kid wants to hear he is about to embark on a rebuild. . But, I think it will take some time for the new process to take hold. In CFB, which has a far larger sample size, they say the third year is the year in which the team is really converted to the new system, has the ' new coach's recruits' and will show if the guy is going to do something with this school.
Somebody mentioned recruiting...that is the tell. Once a coach starts losing recruits, even if the current team is doing ok, the apple is starting to rot...wait too long and then you will be rebuilding. If Quinn is committed, then the recruiting should pick up, he should be a compelling voice in the process; has BU roots but has developed outside the school too. If he can't recruit, then there is cause for concern. If I were him I'd try to flip a few kids, telling them they should consider that there could be some turnover at BU and a change of style and see if any kids who verballed elsewhere are willing to change.
It could be, if BU was ok with that. If I were the AD, I wouldn't want a guy who felt "eh, 2-3 years of some W's and I'll take the Panthers job". As an alum and fan, I don't think the program needs to be looking for a new coach in a few years...I expect them to find a guy who isn't so comfortable that he doesn't feel pressure but is planning to be here for 10 years if he can get the job done. There is too much churn at the NHL level to take a guy who has an eye on the wanted ads from the get-go. I don't think the 10 most storied programs are ones that would want, to or need to, take a guy who was just killin' time until a better offer came in.
Of course, many a bad interviewer has been burned by the question not asked or the thread not pulled.
mookie, you or I would have said the same things at a press conference, wouldn't want to scare away any prospects or cause a panic...but realistically, we all thought it was broken in some way, shape or form. I've got no problem with the outward statement of "we don't need to rebuild". Good positioning, no kid wants to hear he is about to embark on a rebuild. . But, I think it will take some time for the new process to take hold. In CFB, which has a far larger sample size, they say the third year is the year in which the team is really converted to the new system, has the ' new coach's recruits' and will show if the guy is going to do something with this school.
Somebody mentioned recruiting...that is the tell. Once a coach starts losing recruits, even if the current team is doing ok, the apple is starting to rot...wait too long and then you will be rebuilding. If Quinn is committed, then the recruiting should pick up, he should be a compelling voice in the process; has BU roots but has developed outside the school too. If he can't recruit, then there is cause for concern. If I were him I'd try to flip a few kids, telling them they should consider that there could be some turnover at BU and a change of style and see if any kids who verballed elsewhere are willing to change.
Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
They have the 3rd best PP% in HE despite having the 9th best offense. They do something different (better) when they are up a man... maybe that something is just not playing the 3rd or 4th lines.
They have the 3rd best PP% in HE despite having the 9th best offense. They do something different (better) when they are up a man... maybe that something is just not playing the 3rd or 4th lines.
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
The reason why I'm most optimistic about Quinn is because his recruiting was stellar. Now he's trying to win with guys not of his own choosing and who may not fit the style he's trying to play. So, do you change how you want to do things to fit what you have, or do you implement your own way for the benefit of the few kids that you want to build around, even if it means taking a few extra losses during the year? I have no problem with a down year or two if there's a sustained payoff afterwards and I think most fans would agree with that.
The reason why I'm most optimistic about Quinn is because his recruiting was stellar. Now he's trying to win with guys not of his own choosing and who may not fit the style he's trying to play. So, do you change how you want to do things to fit what you have, or do you implement your own way for the benefit of the few kids that you want to build around, even if it means taking a few extra losses during the year? I have no problem with a down year or two if there's a sustained payoff afterwards and I think most fans would agree with that.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
USCHO has them listed as 7th in Hockey East (maybe that is league games only). 20.29% overall. Last year we were 17.49%, the year before that 22.84% so it seems somewhat consistent over the past few years???
Also... I really doubt that Quinn has one foot out the door for the NHL.... unless something about the dynamic of working at BU is very very different from what he anticipated. I think he will be here and be successfull for a while (just my gut feeling).
USCHO has them listed as 7th in Hockey East (maybe that is league games only). 20.29% overall. Last year we were 17.49%, the year before that 22.84% so it seems somewhat consistent over the past few years???
Also... I really doubt that Quinn has one foot out the door for the NHL.... unless something about the dynamic of working at BU is very very different from what he anticipated. I think he will be here and be successfull for a while (just my gut feeling).
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When that comment was made the previous coach was sitting 15 feet away. Not the place to be critical
Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
I wouldn't have recommended that Warsofsky, Cohen, Bonino, Coyle, Clandening, Nieto, Gill, or Cisse leave early either. I mean it worked out for Coyle, Bonino (though there's really no reason Bonino shouldn't have stayed another year), and Nieto (he's at least palyed a few games at the NHL level), but these players seem to think that all they have to do is have a decent year in college and then they'll just make their living playing hockey. Like Colby Cohen and Sahir Gill and Yasin Cisse are so confident they'll make a good living playing hockey that they can't spend one more season playing against top tier college teams and getting a college degree to fall back on? Colby Cohen left for the pros close to 4 years ago and has played 3 games in the NHL. Nieto will probably end up playing consistently at the NHL level and making good money, but did he need to leave after his junior year? Was he that confident? He was definitely good (real good occasionally), but he wasn't even the top scorer on a team that missed the NCAA tournament. These guys playing for BU seem to think they're destined to make millions and be a star in the NHL and BU is just a waiting room. They figure they'll come here and live the life partying and being the star athlete. Like the upcoming game isn't really a big deal because the scouts aren't there or it doesn't matter and they just have to bide their time until the team that drafted them comes calling. Seems like just a lot of lazy prima donnas with inflated egos and expectations for their future have been coming through BU. This year seems to have fewer (if any) of those types, but it also seems to be lacking in talent as well. Can BU maybe get some players with talent and a will to win?
Ok good. I think anything over 20% is definitely good. Over 23% would be great.
I wouldn't have recommended that Warsofsky, Cohen, Bonino, Coyle, Clandening, Nieto, Gill, or Cisse leave early either. I mean it worked out for Coyle, Bonino (though there's really no reason Bonino shouldn't have stayed another year), and Nieto (he's at least palyed a few games at the NHL level), but these players seem to think that all they have to do is have a decent year in college and then they'll just make their living playing hockey. Like Colby Cohen and Sahir Gill and Yasin Cisse are so confident they'll make a good living playing hockey that they can't spend one more season playing against top tier college teams and getting a college degree to fall back on? Colby Cohen left for the pros close to 4 years ago and has played 3 games in the NHL. Nieto will probably end up playing consistently at the NHL level and making good money, but did he need to leave after his junior year? Was he that confident? He was definitely good (real good occasionally), but he wasn't even the top scorer on a team that missed the NCAA tournament. These guys playing for BU seem to think they're destined to make millions and be a star in the NHL and BU is just a waiting room. They figure they'll come here and live the life partying and being the star athlete. Like the upcoming game isn't really a big deal because the scouts aren't there or it doesn't matter and they just have to bide their time until the team that drafted them comes calling. Seems like just a lot of lazy prima donnas with inflated egos and expectations for their future have been coming through BU. This year seems to have fewer (if any) of those types, but it also seems to be lacking in talent as well. Can BU maybe get some players with talent and a will to win?
Ok good. I think anything over 20% is definitely good. Over 23% would be great.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
i thought it was a good place to be honest. (pirate, this was not a presser, but in the club room for donors/club seat holders/etc) certainly when one of the first questions was whether or not quinn was going to clean up the behavior problems or let it happen over and over like the previous coach. then someone asked about the putrid power play that we've been forced to watch for the past however many years.
sterlippo1
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
and those that don't post here , lol. For those, give the freaking guy a chance! its totally insane this whole thing youze are talking about.
and those that don't post here , lol. For those, give the freaking guy a chance! its totally insane this whole thing youze are talking about.
RefereeGrav
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
I'm sure Quinn will do a great job in the long run. But, any coach that gets drastically outplayed by Merrimack and Bentley in 3 straight games is fair game for questioning.
I'm sure Quinn will do a great job in the long run. But, any coach that gets drastically outplayed by Merrimack and Bentley in 3 straight games is fair game for questioning.
Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
There was tremendous pressure on drafted kids to leave after junior year because of the previous CBA and the rules governing free agency/draft rights after the fourth year of college. I am not totally sure if that's changed since the last lockout but that's my understanding of how it worked since the '04 lockout ended.
There was tremendous pressure on drafted kids to leave after junior year because of the previous CBA and the rules governing free agency/draft rights after the fourth year of college. I am not totally sure if that's changed since the last lockout but that's my understanding of how it worked since the '04 lockout ended.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013-2014: Ready to Quinn
I think that is a very fair thing to say. We can't forget that there is going to be some learning curve for the new head coach as well. And I agree, I'm sure he will do a great job in the long run.
I think that is a very fair thing to say. We can't forget that there is going to be some learning curve for the new head coach as well. And I agree, I'm sure he will do a great job in the long run.
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