Brown - Oops! They did it again.

[ccookie79]

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Hey Kookie. Totally unnecessary all kidding aside. Though the pitchin and catchin thing I do believe. Stress producer.

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[Brunofan]

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From today's Boston Globe - Metro Section:

Brown University, too, recently said it was considering $30 million in budget cuts for next fiscal year that could ultimately result in layoffs and cuts to some varsity sports. Also on the table: more generic cafeteria food, no more dining room newspaper subscriptions, and fewer trash pick-ups.

Ok.....now......let the conspiracy theories start!

 

[CanHockGuy]

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How about that, speechless. Must have caught er/em good with my left.

 

[IceIsNice]

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We have many things in common:
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- Firm believers in Respect, Teamwork...Hockey the Canadian way.

Gosh darn it! I love this guy's posts, and we too have a great deal in common, but then he goes and posts something like this?

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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While I bailed on this debate in general, like to confirm you are off the mark with this one

I know 5-4, talk to him occasionally and I can guarantee you that he is:

A - A parent of a daughter playing college hockey.
B - A well respected coach from Alberta, Canada.
C - Personally knows a couple of players on the current Brown roster.
D - Does not have a daughter at Brown.

Most of you are so narrow minded and blinded by this subject and thread, that you never picked up on the clues elsewhere.

We have many things in common:
- We contribute on many subjects, not just this one.
- Firm believers in Respect, Teamwork...Hockey the Canadian way.
- Connected via the past to some of the players on the current roster.
- Do not have any daughters on the current roster, and neither of us have ever had a daughter on the Brown roster in the past.

I'm Out...Again....C-Ya.

Furthermore...myself, 2 for chirping, Canadian Hockey Guy & OnMaa can be seen at the Comedy Club in Vancouver on the 19th, Edmonton on the 21st, Saskatoon on the 23rd and Toronto on the 27th. Check local listings for showtimes.

Special guests will include Donttelldad, SayWhat, hahaha and well.... the list goes on.

Also Cameo appearances by Phil D Stands and Seymore.

Brought to you by Hux Productions. All rights reserved.

"Laughter is the best medicine"

 

[dontyelldad]

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Furthermore...myself, 2 for chirping, Canadian Hockey Guy & OnMaa can be seen at the Comedy Club in Vancouver on the 19th, Edmonton on the 21st, Saskatoon on the 23rd and Toronto on the 27th. Check local listings for showtimes.

Special guests will include Donttelldad, SayWhat, hahaha and well.... the list goes on.

My relationship with my kids has evolved. While "don't tell dad" was certainly one stage, I'm hopeful (perhaps delusional) that we've gone beyond that.

 

[Trillium]

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Then guess what I did? I took them to practice on the pond. That'll really toughen these girls up, I thought. Thank God Coady didn't fall in. I mean, thank God I didn't fall in.

At least you haven't lost your sense of humour.

 

[OnMAA]

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Then guess what I did? I took them to practice on the pond. That'll really toughen these girls up, I thought. Are you kidding me? Effective Coaching?

Hmmm...Maybe the coach was trying a different approach....and sometimes these things works.....sometimes they don't...but at least they tried something different.....

Let's see, not too long ago (last month), an NHL team was mired in a 5 game slump, getting thumped twice including a 7-1 trashing by a mediocre Atlanta Trashers squad. Team is missing key players to injuries. Though part of the schedule coming up. Everyone is expecting a serious bag skate after the loss to the Trashers and Hurricanes.....What does the coach do...Goes for loosy goosy a pond skate with the team...Team goes on to a team record breaking 11 game winning streak....

BTW....Skating on the Pond....that is the Canadian Way to learn hockey. Best ever player (#99) learned his trade on the frozen ponds in Brantford.

 

[ONR]

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BTW....Skating on the Pond....that is the Canadian Way to learn hockey. Best ever player (#99) learned his trade on the frozen ponds in Brantford.[/QUOTE]


Not to start a "Best ever" debate but #4 from the ponds of Parry Sound and adopted by Boston revolutionized the game and has to be in the best ever mix.

 

[OnMAA]

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BTW....Skating on the Pond....that is the Canadian Way to learn hockey. Best ever player (#99) learned his trade on the frozen ponds in Brantford.

Not to start a "Best ever" debate but #4 from the ponds of Parry Sound and adopted by Boston revolutionized the game and has to be in the best ever mix.[/QUOTE]

Old Timers would mention #9 from the Wings.

 

[hcky85]

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From today's Boston Globe - Metro Section:

Brown University, too, recently said it was considering $30 million in budget cuts for next fiscal year that could ultimately result in layoffs and cuts to some varsity sports. Also on the table: more generic cafeteria food, no more dining room newspaper subscriptions, and fewer trash pick-ups.

Ok.....now......let the conspiracy theories start!

I don’t have any ins on this opinion, but I would think the men's hockey coach just signed a contract for longer than one year. And the costs for a rink to be kept running is far more than any other sports playing field or court, so they’d most likely cut either both hockey teams or neither.

Brown also has always been a school that’s very proud of their history and traditions. The hockey team’s no exception being the first collegiate women's team in the country.

This could all just be wishful thinking though.

 

[hcky85]

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Let's see, not too long ago (last month), an NHL team was mired in a 5 game slump, getting thumped twice including a 7-1 trashing by a mediocre Atlanta Trashers squad. Team is missing key players to injuries. Though part of the schedule coming up. Everyone is expecting a serious bag skate after the loss to the Trashers and Hurricanes.....What does the coach do...Goes for loosy goosy a pond skate with the team...Team goes on to a team record breaking 11 game winning streak....
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People need to realize this isn’t a 5-game slump. If it continues next year, Brown will then be in a 5-year slump. This can’t be attributed to bad luck or injuries anymore this needs to be blamed on terrible team management.

 

[hcky85]

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Those who focus entirely on the w/l record seem to have a very superficial understanding of Ivy League Athletics. Although nominally Division I, Ivy League schools athletics departments operate in many ways more like Division III schools. Obviously, lack of athletic scholarships comes to mind here, but there are other ways as well. If you read the NCAA guides, you will find that Division I schools are supposed to be more focused on providing entertainment to the student body (thus the requirements for larger playing venues) while Division III athletics are supposed to focus more on the personal development of the student athlete. Ivy League schools have the broadest array of NCAA sports of any league, despite being smaller in student population on average than most. And most of these sports attract very few spectators. Clearly, the emphasis on larger participation indicates that winning isn't everything (no Vince Lombardi here).

If you look at the Academic Index (AI) requirements in the Ivy League, this is another indicator that there are other considerations for a program beyond wins and losses. Most people are not aware of all 3 different requirements of the AI. Most are familiar with the individual athlete requirements. Some are aware of the school requirement for an average AI score across all athletes. However, most are not familiar with the inner workings of the team AI requirements. These are set by the institutions themselves to give guidance to coaches, so they know if a set of recruited athletes will be admitted. Each school sets each team's goals separately. Harvard, for example is known to have low team AI score averages for its helmet sports and higher for other sports, while IIRC Penn seems to emphasize basketball. I have no knowledge of where Brown allows lower AI scores, but I'd be willing to bet it is not in womens hockey.

People are quick to blame everything on the kids for overlooking any issues. Brown is exactly like a bunch of d-3 schools in regards to the school itself and in a sense recruiting. I’ve seen colleges like Amherst and Middlebury ranked higher than numerous Ivies. The only difference is the competition they play in sports.

How does that not show these players are competitive athletes. This year’s freshmen and recruiting class can be blamed for deciding Brown while knowing the team is struggling, but there weren’t any clear indicators for any of the classes before them. Even if you want to argue there were, all these kids are only guilty of wanting to play d-1 and play against d-1 caliber players, even if that means not having a good record.

 

[hcky85]

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Once again I ask for actual analysis of play (and take up Brown Parent's offer of free admission to watch the game) to say that Digit is not coaching the team correctly.

There's no need to even have to critique on ice coaching improvements.

Realistically, what people post here can’t have that negative of an affect on Brown. There will always be those kids who want to play d-1 hockey that other d-1 coaches passed on. Brown might of became the last resort for those kids, but this isn’t changing the fact that they’ll come to Brown no matter what they’ve heard just so they can play d-1 hockey.

The same number of kids is going to play d-1 next year, and the year after, and the year after that. The only difference being six years ago student athletes were deciding between Brown and Harvard. Now they’re deciding between Brown and Union, and Union is actually starting to look like the better choice.

 

[ARM]

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People need to realize this isn’t a 5-game slump.

Obviously not. I think everyone would agree on that -- although we may have reached the point where if someone says "ice is cold", another will say "prove it", and a third will counter with "it's Digit's fault". Take this attempt at practicing on a pond. I'd guess that the motivation was that this has been a tough season, let's try something a little more relaxed and fun. But this discussion has become so polarized that any idea is a bad idea if the other side thought of it. The ironic thing is that most posting here do want want is best for the Brown players. There just isn't much agreement on what that is.

 

[OnMAA]

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People need to realize this isn’t a 5-game slump.

Agree, but you missed my point. The coaches tried something different, and for that they should be applauded, not lambasted......

......But guess what.....One insider did not like the idea and comes on here lambasting it....That is exactly what is wrong with this thread...Insiders complaining..cause...Unless an insider comes on here complaining about it, none of us would have any knowledge about the day off and the "pond Skate" in the first place.

I'd say what goes on on the pond stays on the pond.

 

[hcky85]

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Obviously not. I think everyone would agree on that -- although we may have reached the point where if someone says "ice is cold", another will say "prove it", and a third will counter with "it's Digit's fault". Take this attempt at practicing on a pond. I'd guess that the motivation was that this has been a tough season, let's try something a little more relaxed and fun. But this discussion has become so polarized that any idea is a bad idea if the other side thought of it. The ironic thing is that most posting here do want want is best for the Brown players. There just isn't much agreement on what that is.

Those are ones you can ignore then. I’m against the coaches but I didn’t think skating on a pond was actually a legitimate excuse to call for the coaches head. No matter your stance, people can qualify a good reason from a b.s. one, so just pay no attention to it.

You can’t use them to invalidate all points made on this thread.

 

[hcky85]

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The point Rinkrat was making is that it is a known fact that marginal players use the "hockey card" as a way of getting into Brown, with little intent of actually staying on the team more than a season or two.

People are quick to point out attrition rate and feel that it only reflects the kids who chose to do so.

But there’s a lot of quitting. A kid works hard all season for a chance to prove themselves and after two months of doing so they’re finally given a chance, they make one mistake and the coaches quit on them. Or a player’s good enough that they’re always put on first or second line but then they make a mistake off the ice and the coaches quit on them.

Maybe not as much this year, but if you watch a season it’s impossible not to be bothered by the ability of some of the player’s who remain on fourth line. And I’m not talking about freshmen that haven’t proven anything. It’s always been the juniors and seniors that she let’s just sit there and unless your blind I don’t get it at all. She had to have just quit on them for no apparent reason. Like coach like player, people are quitting left and right for no reason I guess.

 

[hcky85]

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Most of you are so narrow minded and blinded by this subject and thread, that you never picked up on the clues elsewhere.

We have many things in common:
- We contribute on many subjects, not just this one.
- Firm believers in Respect, Teamwork...Hockey the Canadian way.
- Connected via the past to some of the players on the current roster.
- Do not have any daughters on the current roster, and neither of us have ever had a daughter on the Brown roster in the past.

I'm Out...Again....C-Ya.

I have no doubt that you guys have heard good things about the coaches from players on the team. That’s fine, but if freshmen are the only people your getting your info from, then your relying on people who only have a superficial view of the program’s issues.

You don’t even have to take my word for it. Go talk to anyone who’s not in the freshmen class. Go as far as to ask someone who graduated to see if I’ve misrepresented anything. One thing I no doubly expect you to hear is, when you’re a freshmen you can do no wrong and life is good.

 

[IceIsNice]

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I was starting to enjoy the discussion of greatest skater to have learned the game on a pond.... Howe, The Great One, Orr, others....

Decided I'm too lazy to read all the other stuff in between. Looks like more of the same blah, blah, blah. If I missed anything important, will someone please highlight it for my tired eyes?