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Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
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Mike Hutter
Brown Wins!
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Coach, same lines and goalie as Saturday? I say yes.
Coach, same lines and goalie as Saturday? I say yes.
If you are referring to the Roy case, this doesn't sound the same
"@MarkDivver: Issue with Weyrick was financial aid. With Wood, grades not Ivy caliber."
Definitely! LOVED Kramer with Naclerio and Lappin.
The Roy case is different. I am, however, referring to the fact that we can't seem to hang on to high caliber recruits. Roy is an example. Weyrick was screwed by an administration that is totally apathetic towards athletics and hockey specifically.
As Euler mentioned to me this past weekend at the games, Marc Antoine Carrier is another example of a good player who left Brown that could have made a difference. Same with Nate Widman.
The point is, we can't hang on to big time recruits. And that's a problem. Brown needed to find a way to keep Weyrick and to admit Wood despite his poor grades. And they didn't. That's a big mistake.
Mike Hutter
Brown Wins!
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
I always thought Carrier was a major loss. great hockey sense. What happened?
I always thought Carrier was a major loss. great hockey sense. What happened?
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
At least the college hockey universe for one year. The nice thing about Allain is that you know what you are getting. He has not changed since "the win" except for possibly mellowing with the flighty ECAC officials. There are much more vocal Head Coaches in the ECAC these days.
At least the college hockey universe for one year. The nice thing about Allain is that you know what you are getting. He has not changed since "the win" except for possibly mellowing with the flighty ECAC officials. There are much more vocal Head Coaches in the ECAC these days.
Mike Hutter
Brown Wins!
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Congrats to Dennis R:
http://www.uscho.com/2014/02/19/ten-finalists-announced-for-2014-senior-class-award/
Congrats to Dennis R:
http://www.uscho.com/2014/02/19/ten-finalists-announced-for-2014-senior-class-award/
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Evidently in one case there had always been a question whether his grades and test scores were good enough to get into Brown...
Evidently in one case there had always been a question whether his grades and test scores were good enough to get into Brown...
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Accurate. In the Ivy League financial aid is only available to families that actually have financial need... And grades and test scores matter because no one who doesn't meet the AI can be admitted...
Accurate. In the Ivy League financial aid is only available to families that actually have financial need... And grades and test scores matter because no one who doesn't meet the AI can be admitted...
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Without making reference to specific recruits, all I can say is that at Brown financial aid is distributed according to standards and practices that apply to every student equally. It's need-based. It would be not only unethical but also illegal to give special treatment to athletes in that respect. Unless they come from Mars, parents know that Brown doesn't give athletic or merit scholarships. There are many star student athletes at Brown right now who receive no financial aid, including some who were offered athletic scholarships elsewhere. Families make those decisions. Not every family is willing to pay their fair share.
I expressed regret about Carrier's and Widman's departure because they were two good athletes who were also good students and good citizens. Their decision to leave Brown was a difficult one for everyone concerned. Again, I won't get into specifics but rest assured that the coaching staff didn't have control over these decisions, and should in no way be blamed.
Without making reference to specific recruits, all I can say is that at Brown financial aid is distributed according to standards and practices that apply to every student equally. It's need-based. It would be not only unethical but also illegal to give special treatment to athletes in that respect. Unless they come from Mars, parents know that Brown doesn't give athletic or merit scholarships. There are many star student athletes at Brown right now who receive no financial aid, including some who were offered athletic scholarships elsewhere. Families make those decisions. Not every family is willing to pay their fair share.
I expressed regret about Carrier's and Widman's departure because they were two good athletes who were also good students and good citizens. Their decision to leave Brown was a difficult one for everyone concerned. Again, I won't get into specifics but rest assured that the coaching staff didn't have control over these decisions, and should in no way be blamed.
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Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Miles Wood's case is not unique. Over the years Brown has had to abandon recruiting excellent student athletes who didn't meet Ivy admission standards. In every case the young men were admitted to other colleges. Zack Aston-Reese is at Northeastern. Tyler Helfrich went to RPI. Etc. If Miles Wood wants to play college hockey, he'll find a school that will take him, and he'll undoubtedly succeed as a college hockey player and beyond. We should wish Miles and his family the best.
These recruiting difficulties for the Ivies make Yale's 2013 national championship truly spectacular. Yale admission standards are among the highest in the planet, but the hockey program was able to identify and attract kids who were both good students and good athletes. My understanding is that Brown has several recruits on the pipeline with the proper combination and academic and athletic skills to excel at the highest level.
Time to move on.
Miles Wood's case is not unique. Over the years Brown has had to abandon recruiting excellent student athletes who didn't meet Ivy admission standards. In every case the young men were admitted to other colleges. Zack Aston-Reese is at Northeastern. Tyler Helfrich went to RPI. Etc. If Miles Wood wants to play college hockey, he'll find a school that will take him, and he'll undoubtedly succeed as a college hockey player and beyond. We should wish Miles and his family the best.
These recruiting difficulties for the Ivies make Yale's 2013 national championship truly spectacular. Yale admission standards are among the highest in the planet, but the hockey program was able to identify and attract kids who were both good students and good athletes. My understanding is that Brown has several recruits on the pipeline with the proper combination and academic and athletic skills to excel at the highest level.
Time to move on.
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
It is a shame that two of Whittet's prized recruits aren't able to come. Obviously, Wood didn't have the grades. Too bad.
However, in the case of Weyrick (financial aid issues), I have to point to Yale's success. How are they able to continuously recruit elite players and find ways for them to come to Yale? If Ivy student athletes receive no financial advantages over their peers, how does Allain (and Mike Schafer at Cornell, for that matter) keep bringing in the talent to make his team one of the best in the nation for the past half decade?
And why can't Brown do the same thing? Every Ivy League school has a colossal endowment (I don't want to hear how Brown has no money; $2.86 billion is still more than the vast majority of colleges in the United States). The schools are known for their aggressive financial aid packages. I've known people who were raised in upper middle class households and received VERY generous financial aid to attend Brown. I think this is a great thing, as it provides incentive to attend a world class institution with the knowledge that student loans won't be as much of an issue in the future as they will be for students at smaller liberal arts colleges with tuition fees comparable to those of the Ivies.
This is why I do not understand the Blake Weyrick situation. If his family was looking for a full ride and didn't get it because they have a high income, fine. That's his decision (and his family's), and I wish him well elsewhere. But if he received a lowball offer from Brown and his family needs the aid, then Brown should have stepped up and tried to retain this student (athlete or not).
No matter what the scenario, this is a frustrating development (do I use that word too often around here? I feel like I do). Weyrick could have been exactly what we needed- a Yann Danis to be the backbone of a reasonably talented team. All you need is an elite goalie to be competitive in college hockey. Look at Northeastern with Clay Witt. That's a very average team with an incredible goaltender, and they're something like #12 in the country.
So I guess it's time to cut our losses, and hope Tyler Steel can become a more consistent goaltender. He routinely has flashes of brilliance, followed by flashes of incompetence. If he can just cut out the soft goals, he'd be one of the best in the league.
It is a shame that two of Whittet's prized recruits aren't able to come. Obviously, Wood didn't have the grades. Too bad.
However, in the case of Weyrick (financial aid issues), I have to point to Yale's success. How are they able to continuously recruit elite players and find ways for them to come to Yale? If Ivy student athletes receive no financial advantages over their peers, how does Allain (and Mike Schafer at Cornell, for that matter) keep bringing in the talent to make his team one of the best in the nation for the past half decade?
And why can't Brown do the same thing? Every Ivy League school has a colossal endowment (I don't want to hear how Brown has no money; $2.86 billion is still more than the vast majority of colleges in the United States). The schools are known for their aggressive financial aid packages. I've known people who were raised in upper middle class households and received VERY generous financial aid to attend Brown. I think this is a great thing, as it provides incentive to attend a world class institution with the knowledge that student loans won't be as much of an issue in the future as they will be for students at smaller liberal arts colleges with tuition fees comparable to those of the Ivies.
This is why I do not understand the Blake Weyrick situation. If his family was looking for a full ride and didn't get it because they have a high income, fine. That's his decision (and his family's), and I wish him well elsewhere. But if he received a lowball offer from Brown and his family needs the aid, then Brown should have stepped up and tried to retain this student (athlete or not).
No matter what the scenario, this is a frustrating development (do I use that word too often around here? I feel like I do). Weyrick could have been exactly what we needed- a Yann Danis to be the backbone of a reasonably talented team. All you need is an elite goalie to be competitive in college hockey. Look at Northeastern with Clay Witt. That's a very average team with an incredible goaltender, and they're something like #12 in the country.
So I guess it's time to cut our losses, and hope Tyler Steel can become a more consistent goaltender. He routinely has flashes of brilliance, followed by flashes of incompetence. If he can just cut out the soft goals, he'd be one of the best in the league.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
As have we. Some of those players have then gone on to appear on the rosters of the ostensibly more selective Ivies (cough, HYP, cough).
As have we. Some of those players have then gone on to appear on the rosters of the ostensibly more selective Ivies (cough, HYP, cough).
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Interesting... Names, please!
As have we. Some of those players have then gone on to appear on the rosters of the ostensibly more selective Ivies (cough, HYP, cough).
Interesting... Names, please!
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
All signs point to the former. Financial aid students don't generally live in million dollar homes.
All signs point to the former. Financial aid students don't generally live in million dollar homes.
Does his family live in one? I don't know anything of his personal life.
Hope Street
New member
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Heard dad owns 2 homes worth a total of $5 million.
Heard dad owns 2 homes worth a total of $5 million.
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder
Receiving financial aid doesn't mean one is poor. Most families receiving financial aid from Brown (or any of the Ivies) are indeed middle class. Brown aid packages have been steadily improving. President Paxson has renewed President Simmons' commitment to financial aid. There's a reasonable expectation, however, that families will contribute what they can.
Below is a quote from Brown recruit Max Willman, who's expected to enter Brown in the fall. The link to the full story follows.
"Willman acknowledged that the school’s generous offer was a factor in his decision, since he wanted to take as much financial pressure off his family as possible. It’s as close as you can get to a full scholarship there, which is definitely one of the biggest reasons I chose Brown over other colleges,” Willman said.
http://www.barnstablepatriot.com/home2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34905&Itemid=68
High academic standards has been a much bigger hurdle to overcome in recruiting than financial aid -- and for good reason. There's no point in accepting a student who's unprepared and destined to fail. There's always Hockey East...
Receiving financial aid doesn't mean one is poor. Most families receiving financial aid from Brown (or any of the Ivies) are indeed middle class. Brown aid packages have been steadily improving. President Paxson has renewed President Simmons' commitment to financial aid. There's a reasonable expectation, however, that families will contribute what they can.
Below is a quote from Brown recruit Max Willman, who's expected to enter Brown in the fall. The link to the full story follows.
"Willman acknowledged that the school’s generous offer was a factor in his decision, since he wanted to take as much financial pressure off his family as possible. It’s as close as you can get to a full scholarship there, which is definitely one of the biggest reasons I chose Brown over other colleges,” Willman said.
http://www.barnstablepatriot.com/home2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34905&Itemid=68
High academic standards has been a much bigger hurdle to overcome in recruiting than financial aid -- and for good reason. There's no point in accepting a student who's unprepared and destined to fail. There's always Hockey East...