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BRING OUT YOUR DEAD (Part Whatever)

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Dude Love said:
I hate to say it, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

Good.
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"There's not too many people that I can't find something nice to say about when this kind of situation arises," Grogan said. "Unfortunately, Jack Tatum is one guy I can't find anything nice to say about. It bothers me that I feel that way, but, to never apologize to Darryl, to try to make money off the whole situation, never show any regret or remorse ... this is a man that wasn't a good person."

(For those who don't know, Grogan was the Pats' QB when Tatum hit Stingley, and is not very outspoken. FTR, I don't know that an apology was needed, but some sort of show of humanity. Didn't have to be what Madden and his wife did, but something.)

Daryl Stingley on Jack Tatum:

"I told him if they showed up at my door without a camera then we could have some real healing," Stingley said. "This is a world built on hype. Selling newspapers. TV ratings. Those are real. But in my world what's important is to have a forgiving nature. I was always ready for reconciliation with Jack Tatum. I was willing to do it once before until we learned at the final hour that it was about selling a new book. That changed my mind. I could not allow anybody to capitalize on my situation any more.

"I could not understand why a person would still take that approach so many years later. How could he try to take advantage of the situation again? How could he not feel serious regret or remorse for what happened?

"If he called me today, I'd answer. If he came to my house, I'd open my door to him. All I ever wanted was for him to acknowledge me as a human being. I just wanted to hear from him if he felt sorry or not. It's not like I'm unreachable. But it's not a phone call I'll be waiting for anymore."

http://www.thirdside.org/stories_ 26.cfm (The whole article is pretty amazing)
 
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I'll never forget, sitting in the Pepsi Arena in the mid 90's watching the Arena Football League's Albany Firebirds take on the New York Cityhawks. Derek Stingley was the Firebirds' kick returner. There was a halftime ceremony honoring the Stingley family, as Darryl and his wife, along with Derek's wife, were in attendance. Derek joined them at halftime, went in, then came out for the 2nd half kickoff. The ball sailed high, off the net, Derek turned around to properly field it off the weird bounce, when he turned around, and boom, there was a Cityhawk there waiting to hit him. Derek went down and didn't move. Immediately the paramedics came out and put him on a stretcher. VERY chiling and scary moment, especially with the elder Stingley in the building. Turns out Derek was alright, but history almost repeated itself for the Stingley family.
 
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I saw a clip on NFL channel the other night, Deacon Jones saying "I was trying to hurt people" "if you put your hand up to me for me to help you up, I'd step on your hand".

The game was less physical based on speed and size but far more barbaric and Tatum was paid to play football. I wish it never happened...I'm a Pats fan, but I never understood why Tatum was treated the way he was for doing something that every DB was trying to do...hit hard and stay on an NFL football team.

His story is that the family wouldn't let him touch base early on and then it became about what a bad person Jack Tatum was.
 
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pirate said:
I saw a clip on NFL channel the other night, Deacon Jones saying "I was trying to hurt people" "if you put your hand up to me for me to help you up, I'd step on your hand".

The game was less physical based on speed and size but far more barbaric and Tatum was paid to play football. I wish it never happened...I'm a Pats fan, but I never understood why Tatum was treated the way he was for doing something that every DB was trying to do...hit hard and stay on an NFL football team.

His story is that the family wouldn't let him touch base early on and then it became about what a bad person Jack Tatum was.
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I've never liked Tatum, but I agree that he's demonized a whole lot, whereas a lot of other folks likely thought similar thoughts and get a free pass. I guess a lot of it was the brazen way he did it and that he wasn't a very nice guy.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I've never liked Tatum, but I agree that he's demonized a whole lot, whereas a lot of other folks likely thought similar thoughts and get a free pass. I guess a lot of it was the brazen way he did it and that he wasn't a very nice guy.
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That and he crippled a dude.
 
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Kepler said:
That and he crippled a dude.
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I'm aware of that. But it's not like a lot of other folks haven't delivered hits that could cripple someone. It's part of the hypocrisy of the football fanbase that we glorify clobbering people, but claim shock and outrage when someone is seriously injured. Tatum definitely went over the line at times, which I excuse in no way, but so have a lot of other players who just happen to have not crippled someone with their hits.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'm aware of that. But it's not like a lot of other folks haven't delivered hits that could cripple someone. It's part of the hypocrisy of the football fanbase that we glorify clobbering people, but claim shock and outrage when someone is seriously injured. Tatum definitely went over the line at times, which I excuse in no way, but so have a lot of other players who just happen to have not crippled someone with their hits.
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Maybe this..
Daryl Stingley on Jack Tatum:

"I told him if they showed up at my door without a camera then we could have some real healing," Stingley said. "This is a world built on hype. Selling newspapers. TV ratings. Those are real. But in my world what's important is to have a forgiving nature. I was always ready for reconciliation with Jack Tatum. I was willing to do it once before until we learned at the final hour that it was about selling a new book. That changed my mind. I could not allow anybody to capitalize on my situation any more.

"I could not understand why a person would still take that approach so many years later. How could he try to take advantage of the situation again? How could he not feel serious regret or remorse for what happened?

"If he called me today, I'd answer. If he came to my house, I'd open my door to him. All I ever wanted was for him to acknowledge me as a human being. I just wanted to hear from him if he felt sorry or not. It's not like I'm unreachable. But it's not a phone call I'll be waiting for anymore."
 
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Yah, he's a bad guy. We all agree on that. I don't see what point you're trying to make though.

P.S. Thanks for not screaming at me for once in your posts.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I've never liked Tatum, but I agree that he's demonized a whole lot, whereas a lot of other folks likely thought similar thoughts and get a free pass. I guess a lot of it was the brazen way he did it and that he wasn't a very nice guy.
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Yeah, I think it's more the fact that he lived his life actively celebrating the fact that he crippled a guy. He tried once to contact the guy after the incident, and who knows why Stingley's family turned him away. Perhaps Stingley wasn't in a condition to have visitors at that point? It wasn't like they were adverse to Raiders visiting - Madden (and his wife) spent a lot of time with Stingley in the hospital.

I think pfd's post below is meant to illustrate the fact that Tatum never showed an ounce of humanity when dealing with Stingley, merely attempting to use the man to make himself money.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's along those lines. Come on, at least a little "man, I'm not sorry I hit you, but I do feel bad that you're paralyzed"?
 
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thecomicbookguy said:
Yeah, I think it's more the fact that he lived his life actively celebrating the fact that he crippled a guy. He tried once to contact the guy after the incident, and who knows why Stingley's family turned him away. Perhaps Stingley wasn't in a condition to have visitors at that point? It wasn't like they were adverse to Raiders visiting - Madden (and his wife) spent a lot of time with Stingley in the hospital.

I think pfd's post below is meant to illustrate the fact that Tatum never showed an ounce of humanity when dealing with Stingley, merely attempting to use the man to make himself money.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's along those lines. Come on, at least a little "man, I'm not sorry I hit you, but I do feel bad that you're paralyzed"?
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I thought the hit was legal?

Gosh and the karma thing.... losing all the toes on one foot and a leg below the knee on the other.....

Starting a diabetes foundation to raise money for youth with diabetes.

It's amazing how one hit can define a lifetime.

I don't know the guy. Never watched him play. Never listened to him speak. But... I don't know... seems rather harsh to me as an outsider to read all this.
 
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redwing77 said:
I thought the hit was legal?

Gosh and the karma thing.... losing all the toes on one foot and a leg below the knee on the other.....

Starting a diabetes foundation to raise money for youth with diabetes.

It's amazing how one hit can define a lifetime.

I don't know the guy. Never watched him play. Never listened to him speak. But... I don't know... seems rather harsh to me as an outsider to read all this.
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And I believe that the treatment Tatum received, (as you can tell, people on here think not only was it a dirty hit but it is a good thing he is now dead), had to influence his behavior post-event.

He may have been a nasty guy, but he was playing the game as it was played and didn't deserve to be condemned for an accident. Today somebody would make sure he had counseling, he would make a statement on how he regretted what happened and hopefully the 'victim' would also reach out to make sure it wasn't perceived the way the Tatum hit was perceived. That is today. Back then, it was different, in many ways.



edit; I should have read the Mike Davis article first
 
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Not Bill Cosby, 73.

Bill Cosby had to use Twitter to let fans know he was still alive after rumors spread across the internet that he was dead.

Just before 4 p.m. on Monday he posted , "Again, I'm rebuttaling rumors about my demise."

Cosby, 73, was also rumored to be dead in February, 2010.
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