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Bracketology

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A cursory look inside the PWR tells us...

Teams that have secured berths:

Denver 1-2
Miami 1-2 (going to Fort Wayne)
Wisconsin
Boston College
North Dakota
Bemidji State
St. Cloud

Teams that do not have to win their conference tournaments to still receive an at-large bid:

New Hampshire
Yale
Cornell
Alaska
Ferris State
Northern Michigan
UMD
Lowell
Michigan State
UMass
UNO
Vermont
Boston University
Colorado College
Minnesota

Everyone else must win their autobid.
 
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I know you spend a lot of times with this, Priceless, but how can, say, a UMass or Minnesota get an at large bid without losing the HE title considering the number of at larges went down last night thanks to Niagara?
 
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Priceless said:
A cursory look inside the PWR tells us...

Teams that have secured berths:

Denver 1-2
Miami 1-2 (going to Fort Wayne)
Wisconsin
Boston College
North Dakota
Bemidji State
St. Cloud

Teams that do not have to win their conference tournaments to still receive an at-large bid:

New Hampshire
Yale
Cornell
Alaska
Ferris State
Northern Michigan
UMD
Lowell
Michigan State
UMass
UNO
Vermont
Boston University
Colorado College
Minnesota

Everyone else must win their autobid.
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Wow, Minnesota is still on this list? I'm stunned.
 
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Onion Man said:
I know you spend a lot of times with this, Priceless, but how can, say, a UMass or Minnesota get an at large bid without losing the HE title considering the number of at larges went down last night thanks to Niagara?
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UMA could be an at-large if they beat BC twice, beat UNH and then lost to BU in the Hockey East final. Because other teams around them could fall (Alaska/NMU, Ferris, UMD and Lowell) UMA could still move into tournament position.

So they make the list because they do not HAVE to win the conference title to get an invite.
 
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Priceless said:
If Mankato wins tonight they'll be on the cusp of TUC status. If they attain TUC status, it will be very difficult for them to keep it. A loss at the F5 would leave them just below Northeastern.
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Which would put Duluth in a very interesting situation assuming that both those teams advance and play in the play-in game. They might be better off to lose to Mankato to keep them as a TUC.
 
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Priceless said:
UMA could be an at-large if they beat BC twice, beat UNH and then lost to BU in the Hockey East final. Because other teams around them could fall (Alaska/NMU, Ferris, UMD and Lowell) UMA could still move into tournament position.

So they make the list because they do not HAVE to win the conference title to get an invite.
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I guess you should have a category called "needs a miracle but doesn't need to win their conference tourney".
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Which would put Duluth in a very interesting situation assuming that both those teams advance and play in the play-in game. They might be better off to lose to Mankato to keep them as a TUC.
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You're never better off losing because you don't know how things will work out. After the fact, you can look back and see how things work out, but if Mankato isn't guaranteed to be a TUC even if they beat UMD because they can lose the semifinal and consolation game...
 
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Priceless said:
You're never better off losing because you don't know how things will work out.
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Not true. You can lock up certain comparisons by guaranteeing yourself no further games against TUCs. These situations aren't overly common but "never" isn't the case.
 
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Scooby... I conceded that, and made an adjustment to my version of the brackets, I'm not trying to fight that remotely. My bigger concern was Priceless' brackets and scedings in general. Which Priceless didn't seem to have any issue with, but to me it's clear that a #8 PWR = #2 seed & #9(PWR) = #3 seed. You then have to swap UNH and Yale- and have to address proper placement. Cornell alone in Albany I don't think will get it done, couple that w/ my premise was that Priceless was incorrect in putting Yale ahead of UNH, and on paper(today) PWR, PRI and Krach put UNH ahead of Yale. You need to pull UNH closer to home as a #2. It's not likely going to be in Worcester- if the palce is going to be packed anyway with BC and Yale fans. Albany is the next best option.

Even small adjustments like these can make some brackets look a lot different and tougher.. Now, if Brown or Quinipiac can win the ECAC.. then a few more bubble teams will be sweating.
 
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i'zonprize said:
Scooby... I conceded that, and made an adjustment to my version of the brackets, I'm not trying to fight that remotely. My bigger concern was Priceless' brackets and scedings in general. Which Priceless didn't seem to have any issue with, but to me it's clear that a #8 PWR = #2 seed & #9(PWR) = #3 seed. You then have to swap UNH and Yale- and have to address proper placement. Cornell alone in Albany I don't think will get it done, couple that w/ my premise was that Priceless was incorrect in putting Yale ahead of UNH, and on paper(today) PWR, PRI and Krach put UNH ahead of Yale. You need to pull UNH closer to home as a #2. It's not likely going to be in Worcester- if the palce is going to be packed anyway with BC and Yale fans. Albany is the next best option.

Even small adjustments like these can make some brackets look a lot different and tougher.. Now, if Brown or Quinipiac can win the ECAC.. then a few more bubble teams will be sweating.
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The committee has shown very little tendency to worry about attendance since 2003. That's a holdover concern from the "old days" that people still talk about - but in practice, is not a major area of concern for the committee anymore. That's been shown time and again, so I'm not sure why people still talk about it like it will be a big deal.

The committee's no. 1 focus is keeping that whole 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7 thing going. And yes, an 8 and a 5 can be swapped -- but they don't swap an 8 and a 9. So you're right - 8 = 2 seed , 9 = 3 seed. Those won't be swapped.
 
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ScoobyFanClub said:
The committee has shown very little tendency to worry about attendance since 2003. That's a holdover concern from the "old days" that people still talk about - but in practice, is not a major area of concern for the committee anymore. That's been shown time and again, so I'm not sure why people still talk about it like it will be a big deal.

The committee's no. 1 focus is keeping that whole 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7 thing going. And yes, an 8 and a 5 can be swapped -- but they don't swap an 8 and a 9. So you're right - 8 = 2 seed , 9 = 3 seed. Those won't be swapped.
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$ still makes the world go 'round! Attendance is still always brought up and talked about even among fans, and while I would agree they do try to adhere to a 1 vs 8, It's nearly impossible because that also want to avoid intra-conference first rd. match-ups/ I looked though a few NCAA tourny brackets to at least '03 and could only find Denver vs. Wisco in 2008 as intra-confernece first round match-ups- they really give the impression that they want to try to avoid this when feasible.
 
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I see where the confusion was. There was an error which had the ranking Yale-SCSU-UNH. It's actually SCSU-UNH-Yale. In that case, Yale would be a #3 seed in Denver's bracket.

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[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
Denver			Boston College		Miami		Wisconsin
UNH			North Dakota		St Cloud	Bemidji
Yale			Ferris St		Cornell		Alaska
CHA Champ		UMD			AHA Champ	NMU

Attendance is a criteria the committee could consider, but it isn't nearly as important as bracket integrity. The NCAA smartly got out of the ticket selling business and left it up to the venues. The NCAA gets its money either way.
 
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i'zonprize said:
$ still makes the world go 'round! Attendance is still always brought up and talked about even among fans, and while I would agree they do try to adhere to a 1 vs 8, It's nearly impossible because that also want to avoid intra-conference first rd. match-ups/ I looked though a few NCAA tourny brackets to at least '03 and could only find Denver vs. Wisco in 2008 as intra-confernece first round match-ups- they really give the impression that they want to try to avoid this when feasible.
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It's not an "impression" - it's a hard and fast rule. They must avoid intra-conference matchups - according to their own guidelines. Only once or twice, when it was impossible to avoid, did they go against that.

And about attendance - that's what I said - it's talked about amongst fans - but I don't know why - because it's not really considered by the committee anymore. We've seen all the evidence of that that we need. There has been minor tinkering for attendance purposes in some years. But by and large, it doesn't matter.
 
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Priceless said:
A cursory look inside the PWR tells us...

Teams that have secured berths:

Denver 1-2
Miami 1-2 (going to Fort Wayne)
Wisconsin
Boston College
North Dakota
Bemidji State
St. Cloud

Teams that do not have to win their conference tournaments to still receive an at-large bid:

New Hampshire
Yale
Cornell
Alaska
Ferris State
Northern Michigan
UMD
Lowell
Michigan State
UMass
UNO
Vermont
Boston University
Colorado College
Minnesota

Everyone else must win their autobid.
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So den, miami, wis, bc, und, bsu, and scsu are in the tourney no matter what happens from here on on out?
 
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