Bracketology

[bronconick]

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After last year, we're seriously giving teams "virtual byes" to the Frozen Four?

Huh.

I think people are still waiting for Denver, Michigan, and Notre Dame to actually take the ice from last year.

 

[Kepler]

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There are 6 wcha teams that rank higher than Yale in the krach ratings. Objective data to go along with the softie ezac bias amongst wcha fans

At least 3 logical errors either in your post or how it relates to the argument. But nice try, and since reeducation is probably out, I wish your team a first round meeting with Yale. I'm sure you'll shut them out.

 

[wasmania]

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I agree, i'll put Yale just above UMD if they were in the WCHA. I saw them play at midseason and they play a lot like UMD, up and down the ice, fast but a bit undersized.

and umd just got smoked by the fifth ranked team in the wcha and just beat the seventh, so I agree

 

[wasmania]

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At least 3 logical errors either in your post or how it relates to the argument. But nice try, and since reeducation is probably out, I wish your team a first round meeting with Yale. I'm sure you'll shut them out.

Well I was responding to Swami's comment, but please point them out. And let's see North Dakota vs. Yale. Ok, I would like to see that pairing. It would be a good game no doubt.

 

[uwbadgers14]

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Well I was responding to Swami's comment, but please point them out. And let's see North Dakota vs. Yale. Ok, I would like to see that pairing. It would be a good game no doubt.

Overtime

 

[badgerhawk]

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LOL.

Yale's offense would torch the WCHA, too. They would be giving up a lot more scoring, though -- their goaltending is very suspect (unless they're playing us).

The only evidence so far is a 2-2 tie aginst Wisconsin during the Showdown. they did outshoot the Badgers 42-22 though.



Wait for it.

 

[sterlippo1]

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Well I was responding to Swami's comment, but please point them out. And let's see North Dakota vs. Yale. Ok, I would like to see that pairing. It would be a good game no doubt.

they got a line out on that?

 

[Ralph Baer]

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It should be an honor that teams from the WCHA even bother to share the ice with teams from inferior leagues.

But remember that the magnanimous WCHA is almost always willing to provide the ice. They only infrequently let ECAC schools supply their own ice.

 

[wasmania]

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But remember that the magnanimous WCHA is almost always willing to provide the ice. They only infrequently let ECAC schools supply their own ice.

The sioux have been happy to come out to Harvard and Cornell the past couple years. And they certainly enjoyed their trip to Troy in, 1984 was it?

 

[Ralph Baer]

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The sioux have been happy to come out to Harvard and Cornell the past couple years. And they certainly enjoyed their trip to Troy in, 1984 was it?

 

[J.D.]

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Kepler, you probably said the same thing last year about Yale. The rest of the country is in show me mode when it comes to the ECAC.

 

[richl49]

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I almost wonder if UAF has a better chance of making the tournament by losing in the first round of the CCHA playoffs to Western Michigan versus losing in the second round to Northern Michigan. (If they win both series they should be in easily I think).

A loss to Western would kill UAF's RPI, but would not change their TUC and much of their common opponent rankings, which is where the Nanooks are currently winning a lot of the PairWise battles. A loss to Northern in the playoffs would seemingly crush the Nanooks since they are winning a lot of TUC battles by the narrowest of margins (6-5-6 versus 10-9-3 for SCSU or 9-10-4 for North Dakota) and could also lift Northern above them.

I'm actually thinking a loss in either of the first two rounds of the CCHA playoffs would leave the Nanooks on the outside looking in.

 

[richl49]

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It would also help the Nanooks if No. 28 Lake State (UAF 3-1-0 record against) and No. 29 Ohio State (1-0-1 against) managed to make it into the RPI top 25 and become TUCs.

 

[1/2 nook]

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I almost wonder if UAF has a better chance of making the tournament by losing in the first round of the CCHA playoffs to Western Michigan versus losing in the second round to Northern Michigan. (If they win both series they should be in easily I think).

A loss to Western would kill UAF's RPI, but would not change their TUC and much of their common opponent rankings, which is where the Nanooks are currently winning a lot of the PairWise battles. A loss to Northern in the playoffs would seemingly crush the Nanooks since they are winning a lot of TUC battles by the narrowest of margins (6-5-6 versus 10-9-3 for SCSU or 9-10-4 for North Dakota) and could also lift Northern above them.

I'm actually thinking a loss in either of the first two rounds of the CCHA playoffs would leave the Nanooks on the outside looking in.

I was thinking along the same lines. However I dont think Northern can catch us:

Alaska-Fairbanks vs Northern Michigan 
 .5358 1 RPI 0 .5311  
6-4-3 .5769 1 TUC 0 .5000 7-7-2 
12-8-5 .5800 1 COp 0 .5625 12-9-3 
0-1-3  0 H2H 1  1-0-3 
         3 TOT 1

I dont think 2 loses will change the RPI much and we already lose the h2h.
But I haven't done all the math, so I may be wrong.

 

[richl49]

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I was thinking along the same lines. However I dont think Northern can catch us:

Alaska-Fairbanks vs Northern Michigan 
 .5358 1 RPI 0 .5311  
6-4-3 .5769 1 TUC 0 .5000 7-7-2 
12-8-5 .5800 1 COp 0 .5625 12-9-3 
0-1-3  0 H2H 1  1-0-3 
         3 TOT 1

I dont think 2 loses will change the RPI much and we already lose the h2h.
But I haven't done all the math, so I may be wrong.

The RPI difference is .0047. I would guess Northern could erase that with two wins against UAF (Northern gaining at least .0024 and UAF losing an equal amount). If Northern would win the series 2-1 then go on to lose its next game, I would guess UAF would retain the upper hand in RPI.

When does the PairWise predictor come out? Next week? Then I can plug in all the scenarios and see what happens with the Nanooks.

 

[nmu_27]

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The RPI difference is .0047. I would guess Northern could erase that with two wins against UAF (Northern gaining at least .0024 and UAF losing an equal amount). If Northern would win the series 2-1 then go on to lose its next game, I would guess UAF would retain the upper hand in RPI.

When does the PairWise predictor come out? Next week? Then I can plug in all the scenarios and see what happens with the Nanooks.

If beating Western twice will bump your RPI up .004, then NMU beating you twice should do more than that.
http://siouxsports.com/hockey/rankings/rpidetails.php?teamid=17

Also, because you lose one point in a comparison for every H2H loss, losing two more with NMU would tie your comparison, bringing it down to RPI.

 

[electpuck]

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Well I was responding to Swami's comment, but please point them out. And let's see North Dakota vs. Yale. Ok, I would like to see that pairing. It would be a good game no doubt.

I know that game comparisons are a slippery slope, but here goes: The Cornell-North Dakota series at Lynah was great hockey. I think that Yale-North Dakota in the NCAA's would be a great game. Certainly, Yale's offense matches up favorably to any of the WCHA teams.

 

[Priceless]

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When does the PairWise predictor come out? Next week? Then I can plug in all the scenarios and see what happens with the Nanooks.

I think the PWR predictor comes out before the conference semis. If you know how to use the script, you can use the what-if calculator at slack.net

 

[SJHovey]

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I know that game comparisons are a slippery slope, but here goes: The Cornell-North Dakota series at Lynah was great hockey. I think that Yale-North Dakota in the NCAA's would be a great game. Certainly, Yale's offense matches up favorably to any of the WCHA teams.

I haven't seen Yale play this year, but it sounds like they have a very nice club. However, it wouldn't surprise me if their offense struggles a little in the NCAA's.

Other than Cornell, a typically very strong defensive club, the ECAC doesn't have much for defense in the conference, at least if you go by the national statistics. I guess some may argue that's because they have to face prolific offenses, like Yale's.

But, if you look back over even just the past 3-4 years, the ECAC teams have really struggled to score during the national tournament. Their few victories have always been hard fought 2-1, 3-2 affairs. I think they've only scored something like 17 goals in their last dozen NCAA games.

But we'll see. That's what makes the tournament interesting.

 

[Priceless]

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This weekend's script:

20100305	BS	0	AH	1	CH
20100305	Ni	0	RM	1	CH
20100305	Mr	0	Pv	1	HE
20100305	MA	0	Me	1	HE
20100305	NE	0	BU	1	HE
20100305	BC	0	NH	1	HE
20100305	Vt	0	ML	1	HE
20100305	Wi	0	Mn	1	WC
20100305	CC	0	DU	1	WC
20100305	SC	0	Mk	1	WC
20100305	MT	0	ND	1	WC
20100305	MD	0	AA	1	WC
20100305	Da	0	Qn	1	NC
20100305	Ck	0	SL	1	NC
20100305	Bn	0	RP	1	NC
20100305	Ha	0	Pn	1	NC
20100305	BG	0	NO	1	NC
20100305	WM	0	Ak	1	NC
20100305	Nt	0	OS	1	NC
20100305	LS	0	Mi	1	NC
20100305	AI	0	HC	1	NC
					
20100306	RM	0	Ni	1	CH
20100306	BS	0	AH	1	CH
20100306	Pv	0	Mr	1	HE
20100306	MA	0	Me	1	HE
20100306	BU	0	NE	1	HE
20100306	NH	0	BC	1	HE
20100306	Vt	0	ML	1	HE
20100306	Mk	0	SC	1	WC
20100306	DU	0	CC	1	WC
20100306	MT	0	ND	1	WC
20100306	MD	0	AA	1	WC
20100306	BG	0	NO	1	NC
20100306	WM	0	Ak	1	NC
20100306	Nt	0	OS	1	NC
20100306	LS	0	Mi	1	NC
20100306	Da	0	Qn	1	NC
20100306	Ck	0	SL	1	NC
20100306	Bn	0	RP	1	NC
20100306	Ha	0	Pn	1	NC
20100306	Ct	0	By	1	NC
20100307	Wi	0	Mn	1	WC

This is all the home teams winning. To have the road team win, change the 0 to a 2. If you want to add a third game to the ECAC or CCHA playoffs, make sure you add it to the script and change the date.

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