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AFHockeyFan said:
Agree that the bands will stay the same, but not sure about the "#1 seed penalty." It would be a mess shifting UND all the way to Miami's regional, but there's no reason for UND and St Cloud to play in the first round of the tourney after 4 regular-season games, and another possible meeting in the WCHA Final Five. I think that carries more weight than "protecting" the #1 seed's matchup with RIT.
For my money:
Fort Wayne
1) Mia*
8) Yale
9) UMD
13) UND*

Worcester (a flight's a flight)
2) Denver
7) CC
10) UNH*
15) MA*
(Gold Pan or Frozen Four?)

Albany
3) WI
6) BC*
11) MSU
14) Cornell*

St. Paul
4) St. Cloud*
5) Bemidji*
12) VT
16) RIT
* = ticket sellers
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Not a chance in hell.
 
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I know the NCAA Selection process for hockey is completely subjective. However, I was wondering what people's thoughts are if the selection committee used more of an objective process. I have to think, as of right now, UVM and possibly UMass would be out. Maybe Ferris State and Northern Michigan would be in. If you look at the NCAA Basketball Tournament, hardly ever does a team with a sub .500 record in conference get in.
 
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irishfan85 said:
I know the NCAA Selection process for hockey is completely subjective. However, I was wondering what people's thoughts are if the selection committee used more of an objective process. I have to think, as of right now, UVM and possibly UMass would be out. Maybe Ferris State and Northern Michigan would be in. If you look at the NCAA Basketball Tournament, hardly ever does a team with a sub .500 record in conference get in.
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The field is decided 100% by the PWR. No other criteria are used.
 
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irishfan85 said:
I know the NCAA Selection process for hockey is completely subjective. However, I was wondering what people's thoughts are if the selection committee used more of an objective process. I have to think, as of right now, UVM and possibly UMass would be out. Maybe Ferris State and Northern Michigan would be in. If you look at the NCAA Basketball Tournament, hardly ever does a team with a sub .500 record in conference get in.
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Keep it completely subjective. I don't want to go back to smoke-filled room or anything similar as was once the case.
 
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Priceless, That's what I said. I know it is 100% decided by Pairwise. I was just trying to throw out a "what if" since this is after all, a forum.
 
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irishfan85 said:
Priceless, That's what I said. I know it is 100% decided by Pairwise. I was just trying to throw out a "what if" since this is after all, a forum.
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Oh, sorry. I thought you were asking if there's any chance the committee would use anything else.

As far as should they, some people were ticked about Wisconsin making it in (and hosting) with a sub-.500 record but not enough to change anything. I don't think they should because it's quite possible for a WCHA or HE team to have a sub-.500 conference record and still be good enough for the national tourney. Currently, Vermont is 8th in Hockey East but in the tournament. They have enough games left that they will either improve their standing in the league, or fall out of the tournament.

So this is a (meaningless) vote for the status quo.
 
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As a fan of Hockey East, I have seen times when it was the best conference in the country. However, this is a big down year for the league. Just watch games on CSTV, Fox College Sports, and by the eye test, the western teams are just far superior this year.

Even if you don't believe in the eye test, just look at how Hockey East's top team did out of conference this year. Lost by three on home ice to Miami (and tied MU), got swept (10-2 scoring margin) by Wisconsin, lost to middle of the pack ECAC team RPI and lost to Cornell. Only OOC win was against bottom of the pack ECAC team Dartmouth.

Second place BC has lost to St. Lawrence and Denver and barely defeated Harvard and Clarkson (sub par ECAC squads) early in the season, but then handily beat Harvard in Beanpot.

Watch those games from out west and you will realize that HEA has been (as a whole) less talented than the western teams. The olympic roster and the National Development Roster shows you the talent has switched to the west. Also, notice recent articles in the Boston Globe regarding the subject.
 
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This is the script for the rest of the regular season. I don't know the make-up date for the AH/Ni game, but I put it on the Sunday afternoon when Niagara hosts AH. The date really isn't important.

To use this script, change the score of the team you think will win to 1. If you think it will be a tie, leave it 0-0. For example, this week's Cr/Cg game...

If you think Cornell will win: 20100216 Cr 1 Cg 0 EC
If you think Colgate will win: 20100216 Cr 0 Cg 1 EC
If you think it'll be a tie: 20100216 Cr 0 Cg 0 EC

Use this script at the Do It Yourself calculator at TBRW.

Code: 
20100216	Cr	0	Cg	0	EC
20100219	AF	0	RT	0	AH
20100219	HC	0	SH	0	AH
20100219	Ar	0	Mh	0	AH
20100219	By	0	Ct	0	AH
20100219	NM	0	Mi	0	CC
20100219	MS	0	FS	0	CC
20100219	LS	0	Ak	0	CC
20100219	OS	0	WM	0	CC
20100219	NO	0	Mm	0	CC
20100219	Nt	0	BG	0	CC
20100219	Ni	0	BS	0	CH
20100219	Pn	0	Un	0	EC
20100219	Cg	0	Da	0	EC
20100219	SL	0	Ya	0	EC
20100219	Qn	0	RP	0	EC
20100219	Ck	0	Bn	0	EC
20100219	Cr	0	Ha	0	EC
20100219	ML	0	Me	0	HE
20100219	BU	0	Pv	0	HE
20100219	MA	0	Mr	0	HE
20100219	BC	0	NE	0	HE
20100219	Vt	0	NH	0	HE
20100219	SC	0	Wi	0	WC
20100219	MT	0	DU	0	WC
20100219	AA	0	Mk	0	WC
20100219	MD	0	ND	0	WC
20100219	CC	0	Mn	0	WC
20100220	AF	0	RT	0	AH
20100220	SH	0	HC	0	AH
20100220	Ar	0	Mh	0	AH
20100220	Ct	0	By	0	AH
20100220	AI	0	Ca	0	AH
20100220	NM	0	Mi	0	CC
20100220	FS	0	MS	0	CC
20100220	LS	0	Ak	0	CC
20100220	OS	0	WM	0	CC
20100220	NO	0	Mm	0	CC
20100220	Nt	0	BG	0	CC
20100220	Ni	0	BS	0	CH
20100220	RM	0	AH	0	CH
20100220	Cr	0	Da	0	EC
20100220	SL	0	Bn	0	EC
20100220	Qn	0	Un	0	EC
20100220	Cg	0	Ha	0	EC
20100220	Ck	0	Ya	0	EC
20100220	Pn	0	RP	0	EC
20100220	Pv	0	BU	0	HE
20100220	Mr	0	MA	0	HE
20100220	Vt	0	NH	0	HE
20100220	ML	0	Me	0	HE
20100220	SC	0	Wi	0	WC
20100220	MT	0	DU	0	WC
20100220	AA	0	Mk	0	WC
20100220	MD	0	ND	0	WC
20100220	CC	0	Mn	0	WC
20100221	AI	0	Ca	0	AH
20100221	RM	0	AH	0	CH
20100221	NE	0	BC	0	HE
20100223	Mr	0	BC	0	HE
20100225	Nt	0	Mi	0	CC
20100226	Mh	0	Ct	0	AH
20100226	Ar	0	AI	0	AH
20100226	By	0	HC	0	AH
20100226	Ca	0	RT	0	AH
20100226	SH	0	AF	0	AH
20100226	WM	0	FS	0	CC
20100226	LS	0	NM	0	CC
20100226	BG	0	MS	0	CC
20100226	OS	0	Mm	0	CC
20100226	AH	0	Ni	0	CH
20100226	Ha	0	Ck	0	EC
20100226	RP	0	Cg	0	EC
20100226	Un	0	Cr	0	EC
20100226	Da	0	SL	0	EC
20100226	Bn	0	Qn	0	EC
20100226	Ya	0	Pn	0	EC
20100226	NH	0	NE	0	HE
20100226	MA	0	BC	0	HE
20100226	Me	0	Mr	0	HE
20100226	Pv	0	ML	0	HE
20100226	BU	0	Vt	0	HE
20100226	Mn	0	MD	0	WC
20100226	DU	0	Mk	0	WC
20100226	Wi	0	MT	0	WC
20100226	ND	0	CC	0	WC
20100226	BS	0	NO	0	NC
20100226	Ak	0	AA	0	NC
20100227	AI	0	Ar	0	AH
20100227	HC	0	By	0	AH
20100227	Ca	0	RT	0	AH
20100227	SH	0	AF	0	AH
20100227	Mh	0	Ct	0	AH
20100227	Mi	0	Nt	0	CC
20100227	LS	0	NM	0	CC
20100227	MS	0	BG	0	CC
20100227	Mm	0	OS	0	CC
20100227	FS	0	WM	0	CC
20100227	AH	0	Ni	0	CH
20100227	Un	0	Cg	0	EC
20100227	Ha	0	SL	0	EC
20100227	Ya	0	Qn	0	EC
20100227	Bn	0	Pn	0	EC
20100227	Da	0	Ck	0	EC
20100227	RP	0	Cr	0	EC
20100227	ML	0	Pv	0	HE
20100227	Me	0	Mr	0	HE
20100227	NE	0	NH	0	HE
20100227	Mn	0	MD	0	WC
20100227	DU	0	Mk	0	WC
20100227	Wi	0	MT	0	WC
20100227	ND	0	CC	0	WC
20100227	BS	0	NO	0	NC
20100227	AA	0	Ak	0	NC
20100228	AH	0	Ni	0	CH
20100228	BU	0	Vt	0	HE
20100305	BS	0	AH	0	CH
20100305	Ni	0	RM	0	CH
20100305	Mr	0	Pv	0	HE
20100305	MA	0	Me	0	HE
20100305	NE	0	BU	0	HE
20100305	BC	0	NH	0	HE
20100305	Vt	0	ML	0	HE
20100305	Wi	0	Mn	0	WC
20100305	CC	0	DU	0	WC
20100305	SC	0	Mk	0	WC
20100305	MT	0	ND	0	WC
20100305	MD	0	AA	0	WC
20100306	RM	0	Ni	0	CH
20100306	BS	0	AH	0	CH
20100306	Pv	0	Mr	0	HE
20100306	MA	0	Me	0	HE
20100306	BU	0	NE	0	HE
20100306	NH	0	BC	0	HE
20100306	Vt	0	ML	0	HE
20100306	Mk	0	SC	0	WC
20100306	DU	0	CC	0	WC
20100306	MT	0	ND	0	WC
20100306	MD	0	AA	0	WC
20100307	Wi	0	Mn	0	WC

If you have any questions or run into any problems, let me know.
 
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irishfan85 said:
Watch those games from out west and you will realize that HEA has been (as a whole) less talented than the western teams. The olympic roster and the National Development Roster shows you the talent has switched to the west. Also, notice recent articles in the Boston Globe regarding the subject.
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While I agree that it is a down year for Hockey East, this part of your post has nothing to do with the argument. While talent is and has been down in New England, BU won the national championship last year with a roster of players from rather wide geographic range.
 
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Federal League said:
Put Cornell in Albany and you have a sellout. Simple as that. Doesn't matter who else is there.
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I wish that were the case, but it's not. Cornell doesn't even draw a full house in Albany for the ECAC championships, and it's often predictable months in advance that there's a decent chance Cornell will be there. On a week's notice, no way.

I couldn't find a box score, but at the height of Cornell's power (2003) after going 19-2-1 in the regular season, I think the attendance at Albany was only about 8k (in an arena that seats almost 17k for hockey).
 
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LynahFan said:
I wish that were the case, but it's not. Cornell doesn't even draw a full house in Albany for the ECAC championships, and it's often predictable months in advance that there's a decent chance Cornell will be there. On a week's notice, no way.

I couldn't find a box score, but at the height of Cornell's power (2003) after going 19-2-1 in the regular season, I think the attendance at Albany was only about 8k (in an arena that seats almost 17k for hockey).
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7,489, and that was against Boston College.
 
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Federal League said:
Apparently not. I honestly thought Cornell alone would draw a lot more than that. Not surprised BC isn't a big draw there. Their fans aren't the greatest travelers. I think UNH, UVM or UMass would help, though.
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A sellout in Albany also requires around 13,000-15,000 if you remove the curtain on the upper level. Otherwise you're looking at about 8,500 capacity. Either of those levels won't be met by Cornell alone. Judging by past regionals where those fans have been there, perhaps you get a slight bump out of UVM or UNH but UMass or BC wouldn't boost anything.
 
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