Bracketology

[thebrain]

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I like your switch of Bemidji and Ferris (for attendance, I presume), but would the committee bother to also switch UNH and Vermont as you have? I don't have a good enough memory to know if they've done that in the past or if they would just leave them with their natural 1-seeds. Anyone recall?

Yeah I don't think it makes a lot of sense to send Bemidji out east when they have a regional four hours away and they are the top two seed, therefore, the play closest to home. It also doesn't make sense to have Ferris State come out here(possibly fly, I don't know when they decide to bus or fly). Plus Fort Wayne's about a three and half hour drive from Big Rapids.

Wouldn't the top two see play the lowest three seed?

I think attenedence would be pretty good at almost all the regionals too. In St. Paul you have Bemidji State and Wisconsin nearby, with Michigan State not that far away and they have some name recognition in the Twin Cities.

In Fort Wayne you'd have Miami and Ferris State nearby.

In Albany you'd have Cornell nearby with Maine not that far away. Probably the weakest regional attendence wise, but I don't think there'd be anyway to help it.

In Worcester you'd have Boston College and Massachusetts.

 

[redhawkman10]

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I like your switch of Bemidji and Ferris (for attendance, I presume), but would the committee bother to also switch UNH and Vermont as you have? I don't have a good enough memory to know if they've done that in the past or if they would just leave them with their natural 1-seeds. Anyone recall?

That was interesting to me as well. Either way you put it both teams have to fly. I would think they would tend to leave Vermont and UNH where they were. But I do, too, like the bemidji and Ferris switch. With the way he has it set up it gives each region 2 teams that are a bus trip away which would bode really well for attendance.

Also there has been comments regarding if ND somehow slid into the tournament they would automatically go to Ft. Wayne and cause Miami to be shipped. I was on the NCAA site and they have the host school listed as the CCHA and not Notre dame. Therefor I would think that wouldnt be the case if that situation arose.

 

[redhawkman10]

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Yeah I don't think it makes a lot of sense to send Bemidji out east when they have a regional four hours away and they are the top two seed, therefore, the play closest to home. It also doesn't make sense to have Ferris State come out here(possibly fly, I don't know when they decide to bus or fly). Plus Fort Wayne's about a three and half hour drive from Big Rapids.

Wouldn't the top two see play the lowest three seed?

I think attenedence would be pretty good at almost all the regionals too. In St. Paul you have Bemidji State and Wisconsin nearby, with Michigan State not that far away and they have some name recognition in the Twin Cities.

In Fort Wayne you'd have Miami and Ferris State nearby.

In Albany you'd have Cornell nearby with Maine not that far away. Probably the weakest regional attendence wise, but I don't think there'd be anyway to help it.

In Worcester you'd have Boston College and Massachusetts.

I see your point, but wouldn't they put the lowest seed with the higher seed. Being #12 with #1 and #11 with #3 for those switching purposes? Not sure if that makes sense but what I am trying to say is wouldn't they base it on the #1 seeds ranking and not who their first round match up us?

 

[thebrain]

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I see your point, but wouldn't they put the lowest seed with the higher seed. Being #12 with #1 and #11 with #3 for those switching purposes? Not sure if that makes sense but what I am trying to say is wouldn't they base it on the #1 seeds ranking and not who their first round match up us?

Yeah that makes sense too.

 

[redhawkman10]

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Yeah that makes sense too.

Surprising thing to me is how high Vermont is in the PWR while having a below .500 conference record.

 

[thebrain]

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Surprising thing to me is how high Vermont is in the PWR while having a below .500 conference record.

That is odd, the #7 team in Hockey East is a higher seed than the teams tied for third.

Vermont has a lot of big wins though, two over Boston College, one over Minnesota-Duluth, and one at Denver. Only two of their losses are against non-tournament teams, Northeastern and Merrimack.

 

[redhawkman10]

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That is odd, the #7 team in Hockey East is a higher seed than the teams tied for third.

Vermont has a lot of big wins though, two over Boston College, one over Minnesota-Duluth, and one at Denver. Only two of their losses are against non-tournament teams, Northeastern and Merrimack.

Yea their SOS has to be a big reason why they are where they are along with those two wins over highly ranked WCHA teams. But still even with those wins it is kind of a head scratcher.

 

[redhawkman10]

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Looking at Alaska's surprising surge to #19 in the PWR. They benefited from Michigan becoming a TUC and is where they win comparisons over SCSU and Wisco. But what could be an issue for them is if Northern Michigan or Notre Dame become a TUC again or if Lake st. or Mich drop out as a TUC. And I was right the Tie against Miami has helped them in the COP category against SCSU and the win against Michigan helps against Wisco. Should Wisco win tonight that would be reversed because alaska is only 1-1-1 against Michigan. Alaska also holds the comparison against UNH and Maine which could come into play as well.

Another thing I found interesting is the fact that CC loses a lot of comparisons against teams below them like Vermont, UMass, Union, and Maine. That could come back to bite them down the road as well. Only one I can see them being able to reverse is Union.

I also see it very very tough for Ferris to remain in the 6th spot. They currently don't have enough games against TUC's but their record in the 9 games they have played against them is awful.

 

[jcarter7669]

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I also see it very very tough for Ferris to remain in the 6th spot. They currently don't have enough games against TUC's but their record in the 9 games they have played against them is awful.

Good point, maybe you or someone else can answer something for me. If Ferris doesn't play the required number of games against TUC then does that comparison just not count or does it count as a loss against Ferris??

 

[redhawkman10]

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Good point, maybe you or someone else can answer something for me. If Ferris doesn't play the required number of games against TUC then does that comparison just not count or does it count as a loss against Ferris??

It wouldn't count at all, which it currently doesnt count for Ferris because they only have 9 games against TUC's. However if NMU beats them tonight they would get above 10 and drop dramatically in the PWR because their TUC record is really bad. So for them they should be hoping that their TUC record doesn't come into play because it will hurt them pretty bad should it.

 

[jcarter7669]

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It wouldn't count at all, which it currently doesnt count for Ferris because they only have 9 games against TUC's. However if NMU beats them tonight they would get above 10 and drop dramatically in the PWR because their TUC record is really bad. So for them they should be hoping that their TUC record doesn't come into play because it will hurt them pretty bad should it.

Thanks for the clarification.

I must say I disagree with this part of the PWR, if you aren't playing quality teams then you should be at a disadvantage, although I guess SOS would equal that out, but still.

Anyways thanks for the answer.

 

[redhawkman10]

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Thanks for the clarification.

I must say I disagree with this part of the PWR, if you aren't playing quality teams then you should be at a disadvantage, although I guess SOS would equal that out, but still.

Anyways thanks for the answer.

Your not the only one who thinks that way. Their SOS is included in their RPI and there RPI is pretty solid along with their record which is why they are where they are right now. Now they didn't play a tough OOC schedule and were mainly relying on their conference schedule to carry them. They haven't done well against the top tier teams and it shows in the TUC column. However should an Ohio st. or UNO or ND creep into the TUC discussion, which those three are on the bubble, it would help them. The are winning the RPI and Common opponent comparison with the teams behind them. So they are doing some things right, just not beating the better teams in their conference.

 

[dggoddard]

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I think you guys are making a big mistake assuming that Denver will be shipped to Albany. The rules are pretty clear that the #1 seeds will play closest to home and if DU earns the second spot, shipping them to Albany is a pretty big punishment.

If the NCAA wants to cut down on flights they can do it pretty easily with the lower seeds.

St. Paul
2. DU vs. 15. ME
7. BC vs. 10. UMD

Ft. Wayne
1. Mia vs. 16. AHA
8. CC vs. 9. Cor

Albany
3. WI vs. 14. MSU
6. FSU vs. 11. UNH

Worcester
4. SCSU vs. 13. UMASS
5. BSU vs. 12. VT

 

[Priceless]

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I think you guys are making a big mistake assuming that Denver will be shipped to Albany. The rules are pretty clear that the #1 seeds will play closest to home and if DU earns the second spot, shipping them to Albany is a pretty big punishment.

If the NCAA wants to cut down on flights they can do it pretty easily with the lower seeds.

St. Paul
2. DU vs. 15. ME
7. BC vs. 10. UMD

Ft. Wayne
1. Mia vs. 16. AHA
8. CC vs. 9. Cor

Albany
3. WI vs. 14. MSU
6. FSU vs. 11. UNH

Worcester
4. SCSU vs. 13. UMASS
5. BSU vs. 12. VT

It's in the blog, therefore it's gospel.

Also, it's not the job of the committee to sell tickets or please the fans. Their priority is bracket integrity. Unless it causes an intra-conference game, they aren't likely to break two brackets.

 

[umassfan49]

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Worcester
4. SCSU vs. 13. UMASS

So UMass gets a free pass to the 2nd round? I'll take it

 

[NMU8405]

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Welcome back to the TUCs, NMU

 

[Nels1jac]

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Welcome back to the TUCs, NMU

Now with NMU back in the "TUC's" does that help BSU at all? Or does there lack of reaching 10 TUC's hurt them some? They took "3 points" from NMU early this year. I suppose for BSU, they just have to keep winning to help themselves out

 

[redhawkman10]

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Now with NMU back in the "TUC's" does that help BSU at all? Or does there lack of reaching 10 TUC's hurt them some? They took "3 points" from NMU early this year. I suppose for BSU, they just have to keep winning to help themselves out

It helps against the teams behind them. But the ones in front of them have solid TUC records as well, more games against than BSU does.

What NMU does do is kill Ferris, like I had said to carter earlier today. NMU beating Ferris tonight gets them in as TUC and gives Ferris enough games for that comparison to count and their record against TUC's is brutal.

Without playing a game North dakota moves up to a 3 seed. UNH hurt themselves big time and Maine took advantage of their situation. A lot of juggling at the bottom of the cut line, not much movement at the top 5 and wouldn't expect much at this point.

 

[redhawkman10]

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I think you guys are making a big mistake assuming that Denver will be shipped to Albany. The rules are pretty clear that the #1 seeds will play closest to home and if DU earns the second spot, shipping them to Albany is a pretty big punishment.

If the NCAA wants to cut down on flights they can do it pretty easily with the lower seeds.

St. Paul
2. DU vs. 15. ME
7. BC vs. 10. UMD

Ft. Wayne
1. Mia vs. 16. AHA
8. CC vs. 9. Cor

Albany
3. WI vs. 14. MSU
6. FSU vs. 11. UNH

Worcester
4. SCSU vs. 13. UMASS
5. BSU vs. 12. VT

Answer me this, is Denver closer to St. Paul than Wisconsin or St. Cloud? A flight is a flight that is the way the NCAA looks at it, Denver will have to fly to any regional so that is why they ship them east and have wisco or scsu bus it to st. paul. That is the way I interpret it and how they have done it in the past. Moving Denver to albany doesn't hurt the integrity of the bracket or cause attendance issues they just move their cluster with them. The way you have it has 3 1 seed flying and one busing it, they would prefer 2 and 2. Don't think Denver will be in st. paul with the way things are shaping up. I know you want them there so you can probably go, .

 

[Priceless]

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Answer me this, is Denver closer to St. Paul than Wisconsin or St. Cloud? A flight is a flight that is the way the NCAA looks at it, Denver will have to fly to any regional so that is why they ship them east and have wisco or scsu bus it to st. paul. That is the way I interpret it and how they have done it in the past. Moving Denver to albany doesn't hurt the integrity of the bracket or cause attendance issues they just move their cluster with them. The way you have it has 3 1 seed flying and one busing it, they would prefer 2 and 2. Don't think Denver will be in st. paul with the way things are shaping up. I know you want them there so you can probably go, .

Denver is closer to St. Paul than it is to New York or Massachusetts.