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Boston University season thread - strike 3! last man there turn out the lights.

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defkit said:
This was pretty much what I was saying. That few of our recruits are draft eligible on 2013, since many were eligible last year or next year. But I honestly don't know who is actually eligible from BU for 2013. Perhaps Rogie or someone can let us know.
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you guys are missing the forest for the trees.

there is an entire calendar year of top 200 caliber new england hockey players who are bypassing boston university.
 
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mookie1995 said:
you guys are missing the forest for the trees.

there is an entire calendar year of top 200 caliber new england hockey players who are bypassing boston university.
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but is that just happenstance because our recruits for '12 '13 and '14 just fall into a different draft class, or is it actually indicative of a trend that BU is not pulling in top 200 new england talent? i dont follow recruiting rankings and what not nearly enough to be able to answer this.
 
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brassbonanza said:
but is that just happenstance because our recruits for '12 '13 and '14 just fall into a different draft class, or is it actually indicative of a trend that BU is not pulling in top 200 new england talent? i dont follow recruiting rankings and what not nearly enough to be able to answer this.
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some of the peeps have been wondering if going after the best rather than right is an issue.
then some others have wondered if maybe local guys would be more "bu" type players who appreciated the beanpot/school/whatnot and wouldn't run home to canada at the first sign of trouble.

i would assume (like to see) that there are a consistent tumbling in of kids from each and every year.. and not 'class year' because again, 18yos come in with different expectations (wilson, shattenkirk) because "i'm ready". that is the rarity in college hockey because even drafted kids are encouraged to spend a year or two in jrs ... which would be all those kids who y'all are trying to tell me were drafted last year and are coming next year. therefore these kids drafted now out of new england would be coming later down the line, or the top x-centile kids would be coming in as 18yr olds.

just an observation by me, that's all

add... that list was just ne kids. we could be getting a top200 from elsewhere. CA, TX, ??
but they again would NOT be a local type that would have attachment to the history or the school, beanpot, whatnot.
 
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mookie1995 said:
some of the peeps have been wondering if going after the best rather than right is an issue.
then some others have wondered if maybe local guys would be more "bu" type players who appreciated the beanpot/school/whatnot and wouldn't run home to canada at the first sign of trouble.

i would assume (like to see) that there are a consistent tumbling in of kids from each and every year.. and not 'class year' because again, 18yos come in with different expectations (wilson, shattenkirk) because "i'm ready". that is the rarity in college hockey because even drafted kids are encouraged to spend a year or two in jrs ... which would be all those kids who y'all are trying to tell me were drafted last year and are coming next year. therefore these kids drafted now out of new england would be coming later down the line, or the top x-centile kids would be coming in as 18yr olds.

just an observation by me, that's all

add... that list was just ne kids. we could be getting a top200 from elsewhere. CA, TX, ??
but they again would NOT be a local type that would have attachment to the history or the school, beanpot, whatnot.
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Yeah I agree it is an eyebrow raiser... what appx incoming years would the kids on this list be? I wonder who we have on our list for those approximate years?
 
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pirate said:
I've decided the outcome of last night's game will be a turning point and they will play better from here out.

BU Hockey: so you are saying there's a chance?
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The optimist in me hopes this is the case. One thing for sure... winning is fun and a confidence booster, losing is not.. so this weekend cannot have been a bad thing. I'm sure the moral around the team is a lot higher today than it was last tuesday.
 
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ericredaxe said:
Yeah I agree it is an eyebrow raiser... what appx incoming years would the kids on this list be? I wonder who we have on our list for those approximate years?
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Entry Draft Eligibility
All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except:
(i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;
(ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;
(iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement;
(iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20
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so they would be coming in next year (2013/14), or more than likely the year after (2014/15) in all likelihood with a yr in jrs.
 
pirate said:
I've decided the outcome of last night's game will be a turning point and they will play better from here out.

BU Hockey: so you are saying there's a chance?
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Last night was fun, but I still think this team is golfing by March 23rd. Too much to overcome. And the goaltending isn't good enough to steal a game.
 
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Nice to see BU honoring or sponsoring the autism foundation. I noticed this weekend all players wearing the autistic logo. Is the team involved in an active way with the autism foundation?
 
Runsub5 said:
Nice to see BU honoring or sponsoring the autism foundation. I noticed this weekend all players wearing the autistic logo. Is the team involved in an active way with the autism foundation?
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I don't know the exact details but they have been for some time.
 
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So after the dust has settled from the weekend we are 12T (13th) in the PWR and 3 points out of 1st in Hockey East (also only 4 points away from 6th). We have a game in hand over BC and UNH (but lose the tiebreaker to each).

With the way Lowell has come on since Jan, this weekend is huge for both HE and the PWR.

On paper we are not in a bad position. Emotionally (the fans at least) not so much... hopefully the team is in a better frame of mind than the rest of us who are helpless to do anything but watch. I would imagine that after this weekend the morale in the locker room is a lot better than it was.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I would imagine that after this weekend the morale in the locker room is a lot better than it was.
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Yeah, interesting that you would bring that up. Obviously I'm not privy to ANYTHING that goes on "behind closed doors" so just about everything is speculation. On the other hand, pictures don't lie. What I saw after that OT goal Saturday night was certainly not a team that seemed to have any "internal" problems. There may be problems between the team and the coach (again, speculation), but there didn't seem to be any camaraderie issues. I saw O'Connor pat McGuire on the back at least five times, I saw players hugging each other and then going to other players and hugging and then back to the first and hugging! They don't look emotionally "dead" to me. Now, one can say "Well, of course, they just blew a 3 goal lead and came back to win with 3 seconds left in OT, how did you EXPECT them to react?" Maybe, but I've seen teams before that just don't care and this doesn't look like the case with this team, at least on the ice ("other" issues aside). Have they made plenty of bonehead plays? Yes. Can they be attributed to lack of hustle or disinterest? Not many that I have seen, lately anyway.
 
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ericredaxe said:
So after the dust has settled from the weekend we are 12T (13th) in the PWR and 3 points out of 1st in Hockey East (also only 4 points away from 6th). We have a game in hand over BC and UNH (but lose the tiebreaker to each).

With the way Lowell has come on since Jan, this weekend is huge for both HE and the PWR.

On paper we are not in a bad position. Emotionally (the fans at least) not so much... hopefully the team is in a better frame of mind than the rest of us who are helpless to do anything but watch. I would imagine that after this weekend the morale in the locker room is a lot better than it was.
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Found this interesting so I thought I'd post it. League points in first 10 games and last 10 games. Obviously some teams have played an extra game in between the first and last 10 games won't always add up to the total.

Team-----1st 10 games-------Last 10 games-----Total
MC--------------------11--------------------16-------27
BC--------------------16---------------------8--------26
UNH------------------16---------------------8--------25
BU--------------------12--------------------12-------24
PC--------------------11--------------------12-------24
UML-------------------7---------------------15-------22
UVM-------------------8---------------------9--------18
Umass-----------------7---------------------8--------15
Maine------------------4---------------------9--------14
NU---------------------7---------------------4--------11



I really wouldn't have guessed that BU had the same number of league points in it's first 10 games as in its last 10.
 
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mookie1995 said:
So
Mookie is at hockey rinks today and picks up a copy of nehj--- they have an article on New England guys in the central scouting mid terms. 28 ne'ers in the top 200. NONE coming to bu
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I think it is more a coincidence than anything else. If it was a consistent problem it would be a concern, but it has not been lately. In 2012, BU had eight players drafted, most of them New England kids. Overall, the better way to evaluate is by class year. For next year, BU has some good players coming in, like Baillergeon and Collier. Still, the class is not at the level of what BC has arriving in the fall. That looks like it could become one of the best classes anywhere in a long time.

It is fair to say that BC has generally done better than BU on the recruiting trail in recent years. But that is not what bothers me. It is what happens to those recruits when they get to BU. Yes, there have been some successes but there have also been too many kids who have not reached the level of potential that they supposedly had and the results have shown on the ice. I know there has been a lot of talk about one Frozen Four in 15 seasons, but I prefer to use a different angle because some teams are Frozen Four-caliber but do not make it. North Dakota has not won a championship in a while but their fans go into most seasons knowing that they have a shot. So I prefer to look at it this way -- is the team a contender? Do they even have a chance to win the title? In the 70's and 90's it was that way here but it is not anymore. Only two BU teams in the last decade were at that level and none since Quinn left. In most seasons, we know going in that some other team will be bringing home the championship. If Coach Parker cares about the program as much as I believe he does, he needs to step aside and let someone else bring the program back to where it belongs. And if he is not leaving, at the very least he needs to hire a young, dynamic assistant coach. I do not understand the hiring of Powers at all. You have to worry about Coach Parker's judgment when he does something like that and keeps the guy here even when the program is in obvious need of a shake-up.
 
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Terrance said:
BU--------------------12--------------------12-------24
I really wouldn't have guessed that BU had the same number of league points in it's first 10 games as in its last 10.
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We are who we thought we were!!!
 
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Terrance said:
I really wouldn't have guessed that BU had the same number of league points in it's first 10 games as in its last 10.
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Two points out of first place.
If BU were to end up in first, despite all of its travails, Parker might be more likely to earn HE Coach of the Year than a push into retirement.

The team's reaction after beating Maine, led by Megan, seemed anything but a team in turmoil. Winning can ease a lot of problems.

With only a few weeks left in the season, there is still a long way to go before this season's final chapter is written. And it still could go any different number of ways.
 
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chickod said:
Yeah, interesting that you would bring that up. Obviously I'm not privy to ANYTHING that goes on "behind closed doors" so just about everything is speculation. On the other hand, pictures don't lie. What I saw after that OT goal Saturday night was certainly not a team that seemed to have any "internal" problems. There may be problems between the team and the coach (again, speculation), but there didn't seem to be any camaraderie issues. I saw O'Connor pat McGuire on the back at least five times, I saw players hugging each other and then going to other players and hugging and then back to the first and hugging! They don't look emotionally "dead" to me. Now, one can say "Well, of course, they just blew a 3 goal lead and came back to win with 3 seconds left in OT, how did you EXPECT them to react?" Maybe, but I've seen teams before that just don't care and this doesn't look like the case with this team, at least on the ice ("other" issues aside). Have they made plenty of bonehead plays? Yes. Can they be attributed to lack of hustle or disinterest? Not many that I have seen, lately anyway.
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and that is the reason for my optimism...granted it is easy to just hope for the best but I saw more excitement and team behavior than I've seen in a while and I liked what I perceived to be a more agressive forecheck...apparently we figured out that both teams are allowed to pressure the outlet and break up momentum. They are college kids, so tomorrow we could find some new calamity but until then I'm focusing on being optimistic (as if that has any impact on the team).

I would still have liked to look Parker in the eye after the BP and understand if he still had the team. His suspension of employee #6 shows he is doing some things to point them in the right direction. He may have lost some of the fire but he hasn't fogotten everything after 40 years of successful coaching...my interest was seeing if he could still capture this team and still motivate them.

If I was the AD and he made it through the first question(s) I would challenge him to prove the peanut gallery wrong and go out and coach like it was 1995. Frankly, I'd rather lose with 18 committed players and an engaged staff than win with 25 guys who are going through the motions. I think it would speak more to his legacy to go out fighting for every point vs. standing by as the thing he built over 40 years starts to fall further behind. He is a feisty guy, I'd ask him to demonstrate that in practice, in the pre-game talk and behind the bench as opposed to the post-game presser. They have enough talent (on the ice and behind the bench) to finish in the top 3 in HE, make it to the Garden and qualify for the tourney - it may not happen but I'd not let it slip away quietly and I think I could judge by his responses whether he was up to the task.

I know what I'd expect to see and hear from someone of his stature and experience; also, I'd know what I hoped to see and hear from the coach of my team but, as I said before, I'd be ready just in case he surprised me.
 
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