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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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loyalty points statement in the mail today.... interesting that there are 14 season ticket holders for the girl's hockey that have given to the school
 
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Two USCHO columnists have suggested that Miami and Notre Dame could go to Hockey East with the shake-up from this whole Big 10 conference thing.

I would think that this would be an impossibility because I think that Hockey East is perfectly happy with its New England only footprint and would not want to bring in 2 teams from the midwest. Does anyone think that this is a good idea or one that even has a chance of happening?

Funny how this thread is slightly all over the map. BUt regarding Big Ten and what will happen after that shoe falls, here are some things to consider:
(1) I fully expect Atlantic Hockey to get raided.
(2) Air Force will jump to WCHA ... a total natural given CC and Denver nearby.
(3) Alabama Huntsville goes to CCHA
(4) Mercyhurst, Robert Morris and maybe Niagara move to CCHA. Sacred Heart and Bentley could fold. I live near Sacred and still don;t know how they keep a D1 program going after Fairfield and Iona folded a few years back.
(5) UCONN and one other will switch eventually to Hockey East. It is no secret that HE would like to have a 12 team league and Huskies are a natural. Rhode Island is even a possibility to start up ala Penn State with a donor.
(6) Hockey East has no interest in long distance programs like Notre Dame. BC does, but that is an alumni thing that the rest of the league could care less about. ;)
(7) Screw Miami. :p The look on Blasi's face after they lost to UNH was priceless. I have now become a UNH sympathizer after they kept the HE streak going against Miami ... 6 in a row in NCAA.
 
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I have many thoughts and observations from the regionals, but now that Notre Dame with 12 frosh and 5 sophs are in the FF, what's BU excuse now??? To all those here who are still not buying that the problem is coaching, how do you explain their performance when ND is younger and arguably less experienced than BU? :confused:

They completely stifled UNH yesterday and after overcoming their 1st period jitters vs. MC (and the feeling about just being happy to be there), they gradually took over and found a way to beat a very motivated and strong Warrior team. Classic Jeff Jackson team - they were relentless.

I don't think it's fair to say that because Jackson and Notre Dame did it, Parker and BU should've done it. Notre Dame had almost as much of an up-and-down season as BU, and Jackson said that was because of the youth. They looked awful in the CCHA semis and finals, and Jackson said that after looking back on it, he thought his team was nervous. Notre Dame just had a few more wins during the season than BU and got into NCAAs despite playing poorly at the end. Then Jackson (with the help of a sports psychologist) went to work and completely turned the team around in a week.

Maybe Parker would've been able to do the same thing. I don't know. I doubt there are many coaches who could, though.

I'm with FL... I'm not sure thats a fair statement to make. Tynan and Lee were off the charts as far as freshman go and their other top scorers were upperclasmen. It will be interesting to see how they do aganst Duluth. All that being said, they advanced playing two Hockey East teams (who perhaps in hindsite were not as strong as we believed.) Maybe Parker could have done it, maybe not... but would anyone have been totally shocked if we somehow ended up playing two games against Merrimack and UNH and were able to pull off wins in both of them? I sure wouldn't be... North Dakota and Michigan? Then I'd be shocked...
 
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(4) Mercyhurst, Robert Morris and maybe Niagara move to CCHA. Sacred Heart and Bentley could fold. I live near Sacred and still don;t know how they keep a D1 program going after Fairfield and Iona folded a few years back.
(5) UCONN and one other will switch eventually to Hockey East. It is no secret that HE would like to have a 12 team league and Huskies are a natural. Rhode Island is even a possibility to start up ala Penn State with a donor.
(6) Hockey East has no interest in long distance programs like Notre Dame. BC does, but that is an alumni thing that the rest of the league could care less about. ;)

(4) Same thoughts on Bently... I have no idea how they keep a D1 program going... they litterally skate in a nearby towns public rink. It's like 3PM- public skating, 4PM - tots on skates lessons, 7PM - Bently Game, 10PM - Men's beer league ice rental.
(5) Perhaps Holy Cross as the other to round out the 12? The footprint would be a natural at least. If Hockey East did go to a 12 team league, would they do an unbalanced schedule? Or move to only 2 games between each team? No way they keep it with 3 games against everyone if they move to 12 teams. Honestly, I'd prefer losing a team to Atlantic Hockey after it gets raided to prevent the need for an unbalanced schedule.
(6) I agree, I would think HE would prefer to keep the New England only footprint.
 
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(5) Perhaps Holy Cross as the other to round out the 12? The footprint would be a natural at least. If Hockey East did go to a 12 team league, would they do an unbalanced schedule? Or move to only 2 games between each team? No way they keep it with 3 games against everyone if they move to 12 teams.

If you go back and read the various articles from the 25th Hockey East league anniversary in 2009, you will read that league officials and many coaches prefer a balanced schedule so with 12 teams they would play each team twice for 22 total, leaving it more open for OOC games.
 
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Bantam superb accounting of the good old days when men were men and BU hockey was BU hockey. Now then you could truly say BU was a hockey school and say it proudly. The recounting of the 1977 ECAC’s was beautiful that was one great tournament and don’t forget the quarters where Joey Mullen put up 4 or 5 goals against us and I think that was an 8-7 score as well. You are right about Ricky Meagher the best BU hockey player ever hands down, phenomenal college player and put him on the ice with Joey Mullen at the same time was a treat to see. College hockey has really been watered down since those days with the # college programs out there now, juniors and guys jumping early. Keep that good stuff coming.

Thanks. I feel privileged to have experienced all those years in the late 60's and 70's as it marked the rise of BU hockey, first under Jack Kelly and then continued under a young and fiery Jack Parker. I forgot Joey Mullin and yes that BU cinderella run in 1977 started with that 8-7 win over BC. Also, during the Ricky Meagher years, BU went to McHugh and own 10-5 with Ricky scoring 3 or 4 goals. I also forgot that other semifinal game with UNH and Cornell going 2ot with UNH wining 10-9. That means that the 4 games that weekend saw 55 goals scored.

I don't think that college hockey is watered down so much as the game has changed so much in 40 years. Some points to consider:
> The difference between the top teams and bottom teams was much bigger 40 years ago. I remember a game between BU and RPI where BU won 9-0 and the RPI goalie made 78 saves - 87 shots on goal!!! That would never happen today.
> The game was more wide open with lots of scoring. BU was one of the few team then that played defensive, two way hockey, which is why they were so good.
> Players were mostly 5'10'' and 175. Some blueliners were 6' or 6'2" and 200+, but overall players were much smaller.
> Only 2 referees vs 4 (2 refs and 2 linesman). I remember the Cleary brothers were a regular pair and Giles Threadgold.
> The cycling play that was invented by the Russians did not exist until 80's and 90's so much more passing and playmaking. The dump in and start cycling was never a consideration.
> Defensemen could hit anything that moved in front of tnet and never get called. I remember Bob Brown and Ric Jordan as being monster enforcers who would never have let a Gionta or Gerbe pull those stunts in front of the net.

I think that overall the caliper of play is actually much better today, but watching the Bridgeport regional 1st round live and many of the other games on TV, I saw some things that could be done to improve the game overall, mostly when it comes to officiating. I will wait to post those comments later on.
 
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(4) Same thoughts on Bently... I have no idea how they keep a D1 program going... they litterally skate in a nearby towns public rink. It's like 3PM- public skating, 4PM - tots on skates lessons, 7PM - Bently Game, 10PM - Men's beer league ice rental.
(5) Perhaps Holy Cross as the other to round out the 12? The footprint would be a natural at least. If Hockey East did go to a 12 team league, would they do an unbalanced schedule? Or move to only 2 games between each team? No way they keep it with 3 games against everyone if they move to 12 teams. Honestly, I'd prefer losing a team to Atlantic Hockey after it gets raided to prevent the need for an unbalanced schedule.
(6) I agree, I would think HE would prefer to keep the New England only footprint.

(4) I would just like to point out how fun it is to watch beer league hockey while we're writing our articles after games. In the last two years, this has happened at Lawler, Tsongas and Alfond. It provides solid entertainment while writing in the press box.

(5) I've said this before, but I think UConn and Quinnipiac would be the most likely additions to Hockey East. UConn because it's a big state school and their women's team is already in HE -- they just have to get serious about the men's game. And QU because they are serious, they already have a nice new arena and it's in New England. QU seems much more likely than Holy Cross IMO. I would think 22 conference games would be the way to go.

(6) Agreed. Can't see HE adding Notre Dame and/or Miami.
 
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OK, here are my thoughts and observations about Regional weekend:
(1) OK, so BC lost. Big deal ... it happens, even in the 1st round. I still think they were the best team this year, but CC played their best game in a one and done format, then reverted to form and lost to Michigan. Many I talked to felt that BC snuck up on everyone last year which is why they blew out Miami and Wisconsin. They did not expect BC to be so good in the 2010 FF and paid the price. CC was ready and so would have Michigan and UND if they got that far. The formula for beating BC has always been to beat the crap out of them in the corners to get them thinking and to stop their free-wheeling (BU has used that formula in the past, but obviously not this year. :p) Coaching and the caliper of players today is so good that it is very hard for a team to do what BC has done the last few years and not lose like they did Friday.

(2) NoDak is the team to beat in 2 weeks, but I still think they have the most to prove given their history in the NCAA since 2000. Past history says that the best team this past weekend is not always the best at the FF. They look like the favorite, but the other three teams could all step up and win it all too.

(3) ECAC was/is a fraud conference come NCAA tourney time.
>At Bridgeport, UMD's Canadians were MUCH better than Union's and Yale's. Yes, over half of all those lineups at Bridgeport were Canadians and mostly Western - Alberta, BC, Sask. Duluth played smart, efficient hockey. I think that after what they saw with Union, they realized they could frustrate and intimidate Yale ... and they did.
>Union was a total fraud - they had 8+ power plays and after the 1st one they looked even worse than BU's PP. Duluth hit them a lot in the 1st period and Union folded like a tent. Plus Union was very slow and tentative throughout.
>Yale was lucky to beat Air Force. In the last 2 minutes of the game, Air Force was buzzing and Yale held on for dear life.

(4) The Hockey East officials call WAY too many penalties. ESPECIALLY Benedetto. He was a disgrace in the UMD/Union game. Watching the other games, especially the WCHA and CCHA teams, they play hard and very physical, but I saw very few hitting from behind penalties in their games, unlike what I saw in HE this season. I don't know how league officials across all leagues discuss how to deal with and call certain penalties, but my unscientific view is that Hockey East is out of step with the western leagues ... and that's not a good thing. The 5 min major and game misconduct to Yale's best player was a joke. At worst it was 2 minute penalty and changed the outcome of the game significantly. That should not happen in an NCAA game.

(5) Merrimack and UNH showed very well. I thought UNH outplayed Miami from start to finish and earned my respect for stepping up against probably Miami's best team, even better than 2008. UNH kept the HE hex going vs Miami, now running 6 years in the NCAA. The look on Blasi's face at the end of the game was priceless - reminded me of the look on his face when BU tied the game in 2009 and in OT when we won it. Merrimack just could not put away ND and they had their chances. They clearly came ready to play and could have won in reg and OT. It just was not meant to be.

I would not be surprised if any of the 4 remaining teams won. My personal favorite is Duluth for many reasons. I usually root against any WCHA team, Michigan and Notre Dame, but Duluth is special for many reasons ( and not because Chris Connolly's brother plays there). They have been a step sister to the Gophers, sort of like Northeastern in Boston with BU and BC. Mostly I would like to see someone who has not one ever to have a break through (not ND). If UNH has won yesterday, I would be pulling for them.

So there you have it. I am now going through college hockey withdrawal, plus Long Trail Ale W/D from the weekend at the Loft at Okemo where i watched the games Saturday. Until 4/7.
 
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Came across this while looking something up in last year's media guide and figured this would be the best place to ask about it. On Jan. 12, 1985, BU got a win by forfeit when Michigan Tech left the WBA ice with BU leading 5-1. Anyone remember what happened and what the circumstances were? This has no relevance to anything I'm working on, but I'm definitely curious about it.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Came across this while looking something up in last year's media guide and figured this would be the best place to ask about it. On Jan. 12, 1985, BU got a win by forfeit when Michigan Tech left the WBA ice with BU leading 5-1. Anyone remember what happened and what the circumstances were? This has no relevance to anything I'm working on, but I'm definitely curious about it.

Some quick recollections:

1. This game was played during the early days of HE when it played an interlocking schedule with the WCHA.

2. It was a Saturday night, the second game of a two game weekend series.

3. As I recall, the two games were robust, muscular affairs "featuring" many penalties. The boxes were occupied much of the weekend.

4. About midway through the Sat night contest, the Mich Tech coach (Herb Boxer?) decided BU had been the beneficiary of too much home cookin' and waved his guys off the ice and into the locker room. After about 10 minutes (the timespan mandated in the rules book), the referees declared the forfeit.

5. Those attending were stunned by this turn of events.

6. BU d-man Scott Shaughnessy was a prime participant in much of the physicality.

7. My recollections may be a little sketchy here. It was many years ago, a Sat night and beer was cheap at WBA in those days.

8. In hindsight, it's too bad that this game predated the Internet. JP must have had some interesting thoughts after the game
 
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Some quick recollections:

1. This game was played during the early days of HE when it played an intrelocking schedule with the WCHA.

2. It was a Saturday night, the second game of a two game weekend series.

3. As I recall, the two games were robust, muscular affairs "featuring" many penalties. The boxes were occupied much of the weekend.

4. About midway through the Sat night contest, the Mich Tech coach (Herb Boxer?) decided BU had been the beneficiary of too much home cookin' and waved his guys off the ice and into the locker room. After about 10 minutes (the timespan mandated in the rules book), the referees declared the forfeit.

5. Those attending were stunned by this turn of events.

6. BU d-man Scott Shaugnessy was a prime participant in much of the physicality.

7. My recollections may be a little sketchy here. It was many years ago, a Sat night and beer was cheap at WBA in those days.

8. In hindsight, it's too bad that this game predated the Internet. JP must have had some interesting thoughts after the game

Ha! I remember that. We started calling them McChicken Tech after that.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Some quick recollections:

1. This game was played during the early days of HE when it played an intrelocking schedule with the WCHA.

2. It was a Saturday night, the second game of a two game weekend series.

3. As I recall, the two games were robust, muscular affairs "featuring" many penalties. The boxes were occupied much of the weekend.

4. About midway through the Sat night contest, the Mich Tech coach (Herb Boxer?) decided BU had been the beneficiary of too much home cookin' and waved his guys off the ice and into the locker room. After about 10 minutes (the timespan mandated in the rules book), the referees declared the forfeit.

5. Those attending were stunned by this turn of events.

6. BU d-man Scott Shaugnessy was a prime participant in much of the physicality.

7. My recollections may be a little sketchy here. It was many years ago, a Sat night and beer was cheap at WBA in those days.

8. In hindsight, it's too bad that this game predated the Internet. JP must have had some interesting thoughts after the game

Thanks. I figured it was probably something like that. Certainly must've been interesting to see.

We started calling them McChicken Tech after that.

Hahaha, that's great.
 
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6. BU d-man Scott Shaughnessy was a prime participant in much of the physicality.

Are Shaunessy and Eric Gryba perhaps the 2 biggest BU d-men over the past 2 generations? Sure Tom Morrow, Jeff Kealty & Stephen Foster (blast from the past!) were tall & lanky, but I think for sheer size, Shaunessy and Gryba were probably as big as we've seen patrolling the BU blue line.
 
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Fed League, did you speak to Parker about the fallout from the formation of the Big10 Hockey Conference? Any comments?
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Some quick recollections:

1. This game was played during the early days of HE when it played an interlocking schedule with the WCHA.

2. It was a Saturday night, the second game of a two game weekend series.

3. As I recall, the two games were robust, muscular affairs "featuring" many penalties. The boxes were occupied much of the weekend.

4. About midway through the Sat night contest, the Mich Tech coach (Herb Boxer?) decided BU had been the beneficiary of too much home cookin' and waved his guys off the ice and into the locker room. After about 10 minutes (the timespan mandated in the rules book), the referees declared the forfeit.

5. Those attending were stunned by this turn of events.

6. BU d-man Scott Shaughnessy was a prime participant in much of the physicality.

7. My recollections may be a little sketchy here. It was many years ago, a Sat night and beer was cheap at WBA in those days.

8. In hindsight, it's too bad that this game predated the Internet. JP must have had some interesting thoughts after the game

Well, now we know why Parker was so familiar with the rules (10 minutes max) when he pulled his team off the ice in Providence. Then the next night, the infamous "coaching from the press box" affair and the "spirit of the suspension". How many games did parker get for the second stunt?
 
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Well, now we know why Parker was so familiar with the rules (10 minutes max) when he pulled his team off the ice in Providence. Then the next night, the infamous "coaching from the press box" affair and the "spirit of the suspension". How many games did parker get for the second stunt?

I was only guessing at the 10 minutes. It could've 12, 15, etc.

I do seem to recall reading long ago that JP reads the rule book every summer.
 
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The only player to turn pro this long after a season ended in the past two years was Strait, and his was an interesting situation compounded by the fact that BU's season ended so late that he had no reason to jump ship immediately as NHL and AHL regular seasons had already ended. For the first time yet this offseason I'm inclined to believe no one else is leaving to sign an AHL/NHL contract this summer.

I believe the offseason playbook now dictates it is captaincy prognosticating time, which will be quickly followed by placing bets on the next HE coach to banish a player Parker, Sneddon, or the field.

Besides 12 the only prime candidate to wear a letter I see is 9.

And I predict Sneddon closely followed by Parker.
 
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