Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

[FiveHole12]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

The Bruins appear to be willing to take a chance that Warsofsky can emulate the success of someone like Brian Rafalski, who is about 5-9, 190 and has great offensive skills. There was a Chiarelli quote that said Warsofsky is up to 190. Is that true? Seems like a big jump from last year's roster weight.

I saw him this morning on NECN interview... didn't look 190 to me (he still has a neck) , but he was sitting down, so who knows?

FWIW... my 2 cents. Warsofsky has the talent to make it in the NHL. The key will be whether his body holds up physically. Won't be a pretty sight if someone smears him to the boards. He'll have to raise his level of craftiness up a notch to stay out of harms way.

 

[Slasher7]

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I saw him this morning on NECN interview... didn't look 190 to me (he still has a neck) , but he was sitting down, so who knows?

FWIW... my 2 cents. Warsofsky has the talent to make it in the NHL. The key will be whether his body holds up physically. Won't be a pretty sight if someone smears him to the boards. He'll have to raise his level of craftiness up a notch to stay out of harms way.

Is there a chance he could make the jump to forward? I can't see him doing much as a defensman with his size. With the shortage of wingers in the Bruins organization, I'd love to see if he could make the transition

 

[Hokydad]

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Is there a chance he could make the jump to forward? I can't see him doing much as a defensman with his size. With the shortage of wingers in the Bruins organization, I'd love to see if he could make the transition

no

he is a dman and will stay there. his many strengths include being able to slow the game down and dictate teh tempo etc.

you do that from the point. he will be a freddy meyer/john michael lyles++ type

 

[Slasher7]

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no

he is a dman and will stay there. his many strengths include being able to slow the game down and dictate teh tempo etc.

you do that from the point. he will be a freddy meyer/john michael lyles++ type

At 5"8, 180 lbs, he'll spend as much time in the NHL as a defenseman as I will. His powerplay game is suited for the NCAA, not the NHL. Considering the Bruins like big physical defenseman, this Warsofsky trade doesn't make sense to me either I think he's better off up front but I guess we'll see.

ps- Are you going to buy him a Bruins jersey now too?

 

[J.D.]

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Is there a chance he could make the jump to forward? I can't see him doing much as a defensman with his size. With the shortage of wingers in the Bruins organization, I'd love to see if he could make the transition

Despite hokydad's best efforts, saying no to this is way too simple (unless of course he's actually Peter Chiarelli).

The Bruins are certainly stockpiling NCAA d prospects with Warsofsky, Bartkowski and Kampfer.

 

[Hokydad]

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Despite hokydad's best efforts, saying no to this is way too simple (unless of course he's actually Peter Chiarelli).

The Bruins are certainly stockpiling NCAA d prospects with Warsofsky, Bartkowski and Kampfer.

When was the last time that happened JD?

maybe we can move Thomas to off wing.

He is a d and will always be so

the bruins have a better grip on what they want ajnd the talent in the org than you and the great slasher do, better known as moe and toe

FYI, that 6'4" dman Don Sweeney was heavily involved in the trade and is their director of player development etc. email and tell him your ideas, I am sure he will jump right on it. He was 5'10" 185, according to who was measuring and was a very good skater, very similar to dw in that regard. Bruins always paired him with the right guy, whcih is what they would do with dw. DS had offense, but not anywhere near as good there as DW.

DW is a the same height as DS and is heavier at same age. Chiarelli is the one who said he is close to 190, I doubt he made it up.

Quotes by B's on him

“He sees the ice, he moves the puck,” Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli said of Warsofsky. “He’s almost a 190 pounds. We seem him a lot. We like him.”

"He sees the ice, he moves the puck, and he's almost 190 pounds. We've seen him a lot and we really like him," said Chiarelli, who also alluded to Warsofsky's work playing on the Gold Medal unit with the United States in the Saskatoon-set tourney.


All that matters for now is that JP at BU likes him and that DW is happy to go back there, keep training with Mike Boyle and get stronger. A couple eyars from now, who knows, he might end up a Bruin. My bet is he will as the size difference has been there every single step of his carear and he always over came it+. No reason he wont now.

 

[collegefan06]

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Wow, that low? With all the yapping from BU fans about how great he is, I expected him to go higher.

Now I see that scouts question if he can score against real competition. And he's not even the first Hockey East player chosen...what caused the drop?

Central Scouting had him at #24 for North Americans and three Europeans were taken ahead of him, so #28 is right on target. And right where many respected draft predictors had him.

The future? He'll have to prove himself--on the ice-- like any other prospect. If history teaches us anything, it's certain some top ten picks won't ever reach the NHL while some lower round picks will make their GMs look brilliant.

But thanks again for the easy layup. Your assist total--for posting easily refuted blather--keeps on growing.

Rogie, thanks for the sanity check. I know that the first post you responded to was a lame attempt at a slam but it also shows how tough it is for these kids.

Coyle is picked in the first round and someone is calling that a disappointment. The kid is one of the top players in the world for his age and some couch potatoe slams him?

You said it well Rogie, he will have to prove himself. I'm pretty sure there will be players drafted above him that will be bigger disappointments and there will be kids not drafted at all that wind up being more successful in the future. A draft is subjective and kids mature late or early or mentally burn out. It all determines how far they ultimately go. Others with talent and ability don't get the right breaks and never rise to their full potential because the right eyes missed them at a key time.

For now though Coyle and all those drafted should be complemented for all they've accomplised to date. He has given himself a great shot to take the next step but will have to do it on the ice.

We've got three examples of players taking the next step in Bonino, Shatty and Cohen that will make their way professionally next fall. Most would say Nick is furthest along right now but he was the lowest draft pick of the three. Who's given Zach Cohen a chance to move on? Not many but he keeps proving naysayers wrong.

Sorry for the rant but it p***es me off when these know nothings make stupid comments about elite athletes playing the sport they love. Hopefully Coyle will come in and be a big contributor for the Terriers and justify his draft status. If not, congratulaitons on what he was able to accomplish. It's more than 99.9% of the rest of us accomplished in sports.

 

[Hokydad]

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well said. to many chicken littles running around

 

[Slasher7]

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the bruins have a better grip on what they want ajnd the talent in the org than you and the great slasher do, better known as moe and toe

I'd imagine they do, but you are hardly the person who can discuss Warsofsky with any sense of objectivity. Don Sweeney played 20 YEARS AGO and the trend is clearly for physical defensemen (especially for that organization).

He's a better offensive player than defensive, so he wants to increase his chances in the NHL, he better learn how to play wing.

 

[J.D.]

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When was the last time that happened JD?

There are and have been plenty of examples of guys who play d and forward in the NHL. Matt Hunwick comes to mind as a guy who has done it. It's really not that crazy of a suggestion. I know "DW" is your binky...

He is a d and will always be so

Do you ever get tired of displaying this pompous internet persona? You can give opinions without coming across as such a know it all.

the bruins have a better grip on what they want ajnd the talent in the org than you and the great slasher do

Who's debating this? They also have a much better grip on the situation than you do. Are we not allowed to give opinions on hockey matters?

FYI, that 6'4" dman Don Sweeney was heavily involved in the trade and is their director of player development etc. email and tell him your ideas, I am sure he will jump right on it.

What exactly are my ideas? Did I ever say the Bruins will need to move Warsofsky to forward? All I said was it isn't ridiculous to suggest a small d-man might eventually make a better option at forward at a higher level. For whatever reason, you take great offense to that.

DW is a the same height as DS and is heavier at same age.

So you're honestly saying you know how tall "DS" was and how much he weighed at Warsofsky's age?

 

[Hokydad]

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I'd imagine they do, but you are hardly the person who can discuss Warsofsky with any sense of objectivity. Don Sweeney played 20 YEARS AGO and the trend is clearly for physical defensemen (especially for that organization).

He's a better offensive player than defensive, so he wants to increase his chances in the NHL, he better learn how to play wing.

Thats interesting. When Sweeney played you had to be big and strong and able to clutch, grab and use your stick. Now you cant even get in front of a guy going back on a dump in. You have to be smart and you have to be able to skate.

FYI, Sweeney retired 6 years ago.

The only thing objective I can say about DW is this.

No matter what team he played on, at every level he was always one of their top players, if not their top player

hs, prep school, us natl team, wjc, and now at BU. All teams that won championships and played agains the worlds best. He will be just fine.

 

[J.D.]

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hs, prep school, us natl team, wjc, and now at BU. All teams that won championships and played agains the worlds best. He will be just fine.

This is so flawed it's not even funny. Not every guy that has a great pedigree from youth throughout college automatically goes on to having a good pro career.

 

[Scarlet]

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Sorry for the rant but it p***es me off when these know nothings make stupid comments about elite athletes playing the sport they love. Hopefully Coyle will come in and be a big contributor for the Terriers and justify his draft status. If not, congratulaitons on what he was able to accomplish. It's more than 99.9% of the rest of us accomplished in sports.

Noreaster's only mission on this board is to post stuff like that. He/she probably doesn't even agree with it and is just posting it because he/she knows it will get a rise out of BU fans. If he/she actually posted normal stuff and then posted that kind of comment, I would think he/she believed it. But as every post of his/hers is a direct slam of the school, the program, the coaches and the players, I think it's all an act. I have to say, his/her consistency in this area is impressive.

 

[Hokydad]

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There are and have been plenty of examples of guys who play d and forward in the NHL. Matt Hunwick comes to mind as a guy who has done it. It's really not that crazy of a suggestion. I know "DW" is your binky...

Why is that? Your a weird dude. If someone knows someone or has followed them it has to be portrayed as a negative. Your a joke.



Do you ever get tired of displaying this pompous internet persona? You can give opinions without coming across as such a know it all.

You give yours, I will give mine. If you dont like my delivery, tough SH**.



Who's debating this? They also have a much better grip on the situation than you do. Are we not allowed to give opinions on hockey matters?

Same as yours, if you dont like it, see above



What exactly are my ideas? Did I ever say the Bruins will need to move Warsofsky to forward? All I said was it isn't ridiculous to suggest a small d-man might eventually make a better option at forward at a higher level. For whatever reason, you take great offense to that.

Dont take any offense at all. Of course anything could happen but the 3 thingsChiarelli and Sweeney traded for hi for have zero to do with playing wing. of course he can do it, scored there this season at BU



Good luck to him

 

[Hokydad]

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This is so flawed it's not even funny. Not every guy that has a great pedigree from youth throughout college automatically goes on to having a good pro career.

Why is it flawed? Is it a negative that at every level his entire life he had to deal with the exact same height disadvantage and at every level, always the highest, he was a top player and the teams won?

"A couple years from now, who knows, he might end up a Bruin. My bet is he will as the size difference has been there every single step of his carear and he always over came it+. No reason he wont now." (Quote)

How is saying this saying he automatically goes on to a good pro carear?

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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The candyvan is broken down and hokydad is putting on a display here today for everyone!

There are some kids on a playground somewhere right now that would like some candy and hoky isn't there for them. This will not pay dividends down the road when these kids make the WJC team and you won't know them well enough to buy their jersey for them (even though you don't know if "DW" is 5'8" or if he has grown since then).

 

[Hokydad]

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As stated, size is not close to teh issue it was back when Don Sweeney played. DW is very fortunate to have him a s a resource going forward.


“I used my skating ability and mobility and the thinking side of it. I also had a real competitiveness that was underestimated (early in his career) but later acknowledged

“They even wanted to hire bigger referees back then because the players were so big,’’ Peel says.“For Donnie to make it as a small defenceman (5-foot-10, 186 pounds), it shows how well he thought the game.

“In this day and age, his size wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But it’s impressive that he played at that size back then. He was a small guy who played tough. He never backed down.’’ Former Bruins bench boss and Moncton native Rick Bowness gained an appreciation for Sweeney’s toughness, too.

“He had to overcome the stigma that a small guy couldn’t play defence in the NHL,’’ Bowness says.

“You have to be a competitor to do that. It was a different era and there were a lot of bigger guys who were mean physical players.’’ Fans often marvel at the speed of the game up close. As a referee, Peel’s vantage point gives him a true appreciation for a player’s skills.

“He was a very strong skater and he knew the angles as a dman and he knew where to be all the time,’’ the referee recalls.“He knew how to read the play and he anticipated the play very well.He’s a smart guy and he carried that intelligence onto the ice.’’ Sweeney gained a new kind of intelligence while playing for the Dallas Stars in 2003-04, the last of his 16 seasons. Knowing he was in the twilight of his career, he gained insights that helped lead to his current position

 

[J.D.]

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Why is that? Your a weird dude. If someone knows someone or has followed them it has to be portrayed as a negative. Your a joke.

Why is what? It'd be a lot easier if you knew how to use the quote function properly. I'm a weird dude?

Why is it flawed? Is it a negative that at every level his entire life he had to deal with the exact same height disadvantage and at every level, always the highest, he was a top player and the teams won?

Your reasoning was flawed. It doesn't have anything to do with Warsofsky, really. Nobody is saying what Warsofsky has accomplished is a negative. Where are you getting that from?

I'm just pointing out that just because he has succeeded at every level doesn't necessarily mean that that will translate at the pro level.

 

[Agganis]

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But you have to be good at every level to succeed in the pro's. Thank god I knew enough to stop following that Michael Jordan hack once he was cut from his HS basketball team. What happened to him after? I don't even remember.

 

[J.D.]

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But you have to be good at every level to succeed in the pro's. Thank god I knew enough to stop following that Michael Jordan hack once he was cut from his HS basketball team. What happened to him after? I don't even remember.

Not sure what your point is here...