Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
Just like Matt Gilroy can't play defense well, right?
Just like Matt Gilroy can't play defense well, right?
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Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
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Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
It should be interesting to see how many of BU's current commits end up attending BU given how quickly Parker shifts the blame to the players using the media as the means to get that message across.
It should be interesting to see how many of BU's current commits end up attending BU given how quickly Parker shifts the blame to the players using the media as the means to get that message across.
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Because of the timing of the Freep articles, it's easy to see how some people are led to believe that on Monday, Jack suspended Vinny, then less than 24 hours later, decided to dismiss him from the team.
Based on 3hock's post from last week, it sounded like the suspensions were already handed out days before Monday's Freep article was published. I suspect FL had to verify his sources before publishing the article, hence the presumed lag time between the day the suspensions were actually handed out and the day the first article was published.
As others have suggested, I believe something else must have transpired from the time Vinny was informed of his suspension that led to his dismissal. This is why I'm not sure I agree w/ Jack when he said to Vinny the puckstar incident didn't factor into his decision...
Because of the timing of the Freep articles, it's easy to see how some people are led to believe that on Monday, Jack suspended Vinny, then less than 24 hours later, decided to dismiss him from the team.
Based on 3hock's post from last week, it sounded like the suspensions were already handed out days before Monday's Freep article was published. I suspect FL had to verify his sources before publishing the article, hence the presumed lag time between the day the suspensions were actually handed out and the day the first article was published.
As others have suggested, I believe something else must have transpired from the time Vinny was informed of his suspension that led to his dismissal. This is why I'm not sure I agree w/ Jack when he said to Vinny the puckstar incident didn't factor into his decision...
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
I have a problem with releasing players from their scholarship just because they haven't met your expectations. Unless Bennett was like Saponari, I don't think that was right at all.
Not necessarily. Some BC insiders might know what happened with Motherwell and O'Hanley, but it never got out to the general public.
I have a problem with releasing players from their scholarship just because they haven't met your expectations. Unless Bennett was like Saponari, I don't think that was right at all.
Not necessarily. Some BC insiders might know what happened with Motherwell and O'Hanley, but it never got out to the general public.
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Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
None of the details we know came from Parker's statement though, they were all leaked through other means. All he said was "conducting unbecoming..." etc. He could have said nothing at all, but Jack likes to have press conferences and press releases. IIRC, O'Hanley and Motherwell were both suspended indefinitely, and Motherwell just decided to leave (not sure what O'Hanley ended up doing). This is an immediate dismissal, so maybe he felt like he had to give some justification.
None of the details we know came from Parker's statement though, they were all leaked through other means. All he said was "conducting unbecoming..." etc. He could have said nothing at all, but Jack likes to have press conferences and press releases. IIRC, O'Hanley and Motherwell were both suspended indefinitely, and Motherwell just decided to leave (not sure what O'Hanley ended up doing). This is an immediate dismissal, so maybe he felt like he had to give some justification.
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Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
From what I heard about Bennett, the team didn't want him there and he refused to try hard in practice. If he doesn't care about how he plays on the ice, he doesn't deserve 50k a year to go to school.
As for Saponari, I definitely think what he did was wrong, but I don't understand what he did that got him kicked off the team. He would have had to do something egregiously worse than Trivino, and while it does seem there were cumulative issues leading up to the dismissal, it doesn't sound like any of that was that serious until after his season review meeting with the coaches. I also don't know if the plan was to suspend him, and then something changed on Tuesday morning, or if the plan was to punish him and they decided the punishment Tuesday morning (and thus they didn't plan on suspending him and something changed between Monday and Tuesday).
It just seems strange to me that the drinking thing happened in March, and the three of them are getting punished now.
From what I heard about Bennett, the team didn't want him there and he refused to try hard in practice. If he doesn't care about how he plays on the ice, he doesn't deserve 50k a year to go to school.
As for Saponari, I definitely think what he did was wrong, but I don't understand what he did that got him kicked off the team. He would have had to do something egregiously worse than Trivino, and while it does seem there were cumulative issues leading up to the dismissal, it doesn't sound like any of that was that serious until after his season review meeting with the coaches. I also don't know if the plan was to suspend him, and then something changed on Tuesday morning, or if the plan was to punish him and they decided the punishment Tuesday morning (and thus they didn't plan on suspending him and something changed between Monday and Tuesday).
It just seems strange to me that the drinking thing happened in March, and the three of them are getting punished now.
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Hmm I believe you are correct in that it was an "indefinite suspension" and that both players saw the writing on the wall and decided to leave...
October 17, 2007
Standout BC defensemen serving indefinite suspensions
Boston College defensemen Brett Motherwell and Brian O'Hanley are serving an indefinite suspension for violating team rules. Both players participated in last Friday's opening game of the IceBreaker Tournament at St. Paul, Minn. — a 4-3 overtime loss for the Eagles against Michigan.
Neither player was in the lineup for Saturday's 4-1 win at the Icebreaker against Rensselaer, and this week's Boston College game notes from the BC Media Relations office states, "Junior defenseman Brett Motherwell and senior defenseman Brian O'Hanley will be out of the lineup indefinitely for a violation of team rules."
Hmm I believe you are correct in that it was an "indefinite suspension" and that both players saw the writing on the wall and decided to leave...
October 17, 2007
Standout BC defensemen serving indefinite suspensions
Boston College defensemen Brett Motherwell and Brian O'Hanley are serving an indefinite suspension for violating team rules. Both players participated in last Friday's opening game of the IceBreaker Tournament at St. Paul, Minn. — a 4-3 overtime loss for the Eagles against Michigan.
Neither player was in the lineup for Saturday's 4-1 win at the Icebreaker against Rensselaer, and this week's Boston College game notes from the BC Media Relations office states, "Junior defenseman Brett Motherwell and senior defenseman Brian O'Hanley will be out of the lineup indefinitely for a violation of team rules."
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
I would imagine Parker wanted to:
a.) See how their grades finished up before making a final decision
or
b.) Knew they'd be kicked out but wanted them to finish the semester so they could transfer (if they chose to) and not lose a semester's worth of credits.
I'm going with a.)
I would imagine Parker wanted to:
a.) See how their grades finished up before making a final decision
or
b.) Knew they'd be kicked out but wanted them to finish the semester so they could transfer (if they chose to) and not lose a semester's worth of credits.
I'm going with a.)
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Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
Why would their grades matter though in this situation?
Why would their grades matter though in this situation?
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Perhaps if they ended up with a really poor GPA, it would be easier to justify their exodus to the university and be ammo for any potential lawsuit brought on by the family.
Perhaps if they ended up with a really poor GPA, it would be easier to justify their exodus to the university and be ammo for any potential lawsuit brought on by the family.
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Bennett was not released from his scholarship; he was kicked off the team. He still could have attended BU for free. I don't see the issue with Parker deciding who plays and who doesn't play for him. Parker didn't decide Bennett couldn't get a free education.
Bennett was not released from his scholarship; he was kicked off the team. He still could have attended BU for free. I don't see the issue with Parker deciding who plays and who doesn't play for him. Parker didn't decide Bennett couldn't get a free education.
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You are correct that my article did not just magically come together in one day on Monday. I had been working on that since 3hock's first post on the matter, which I believe was last Wed or Thurs (I don't really feel like going back to find the post). I talked to all my sources on Mon, so that article was as up to date as my sources were. As for when Parker changed his mind from suspending Vinny to dismissing him, if that is indeed what happened, I have no idea and neither do my sources. I do believe that Vinny was genuinely shocked and blindsided by his dismissal, though. Victor, probably not so much.
You are correct that my article did not just magically come together in one day on Monday. I had been working on that since 3hock's first post on the matter, which I believe was last Wed or Thurs (I don't really feel like going back to find the post). I talked to all my sources on Mon, so that article was as up to date as my sources were. As for when Parker changed his mind from suspending Vinny to dismissing him, if that is indeed what happened, I have no idea and neither do my sources. I do believe that Vinny was genuinely shocked and blindsided by his dismissal, though. Victor, probably not so much.
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Considering this is Jack Parker we're talking about, the other possible reason for the timing of this dismissal is he needed a scholarship to give a certain player who had just committed from a prominant school in the west and booting Saponari was his means to find scholarship space...
Considering this is Jack Parker we're talking about, the other possible reason for the timing of this dismissal is he needed a scholarship to give a certain player who had just committed from a prominant school in the west and booting Saponari was his means to find scholarship space...
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FWIW, I have not heard anyone other than pure speculators on here use freeing up as a scholarship as any sort of reason.
FWIW, I have not heard anyone other than pure speculators on here use freeing up as a scholarship as any sort of reason.
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
And generally one would not expect a returning first line player to be a casualty to bring in a recruit, especially one who has only really had one statistically strong year in a reputable league. May said player end up here? I wouldn't rule it out. Was that Parker's motivation for cutting a first line forward? I highly doubt it.
And generally one would not expect a returning first line player to be a casualty to bring in a recruit, especially one who has only really had one statistically strong year in a reputable league. May said player end up here? I wouldn't rule it out. Was that Parker's motivation for cutting a first line forward? I highly doubt it.
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
What hapened with Russ Barlett and David Klema?
What hapened with Russ Barlett and David Klema?
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Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards
Motherwell withdrew from school to avoid the school's judicial process; i dont recall about o'hanley either. anyway, apparently the two have re-united on the same team somewhere.
Motherwell withdrew from school to avoid the school's judicial process; i dont recall about o'hanley either. anyway, apparently the two have re-united on the same team somewhere.
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I agree with all this.
I agree with all this.
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Changing topics for a post, Maine released its sked today. BU will host Maine on 11/6 and travel to the middle of nowhere for a series on 1/28-29.
Changing topics for a post, Maine released its sked today. BU will host Maine on 11/6 and travel to the middle of nowhere for a series on 1/28-29.
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Klema scored for PC
Actually his situation seemed quite similar to Brett's highly touted recruit, struggled initially, and had no interest in listening to his coaches on how to improve his game. I don't recall anything anything ever being reported one way or another whether he was allowed to keep his scholarship, although since the dismissal took place one month into his senior year I would wager money he was able to keep his scholarship.
Bartlett is from a time when I was still just a casual fan, I have absolutely no idea.
Klema scored for PC
Actually his situation seemed quite similar to Brett's highly touted recruit, struggled initially, and had no interest in listening to his coaches on how to improve his game. I don't recall anything anything ever being reported one way or another whether he was allowed to keep his scholarship, although since the dismissal took place one month into his senior year I would wager money he was able to keep his scholarship.
Bartlett is from a time when I was still just a casual fan, I have absolutely no idea.
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