brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
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Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
robbie no play defense
robbie no play defense
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
I see it as:
Top 6 Forwards: Greenway, JFK, Carpenter, Keller, Bellows
3rd liners: Cloonan, Andren, McDermott, Harper
4th liners: Baillargeon, Phelps, Olsson, Roberto
Depth walkons: Kelley, Lawrence, Udahl, Curry
Obviously one of my four 3rd liners needs to crack the top 6, but other than that I have no complaints with that roster. And as an outsider the only player I could see having a complaint with his individual role is Robbie.
I see it as:
Top 6 Forwards: Greenway, JFK, Carpenter, Keller, Bellows
3rd liners: Cloonan, Andren, McDermott, Harper
4th liners: Baillargeon, Phelps, Olsson, Roberto
Depth walkons: Kelley, Lawrence, Udahl, Curry
Obviously one of my four 3rd liners needs to crack the top 6, but other than that I have no complaints with that roster. And as an outsider the only player I could see having a complaint with his individual role is Robbie.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
you have cloonan and andren too high. if those guys are getting 3rd line minutes, we are again in trouble.
and to be honest there should be nothing wrong with telling a guy like robbie that you are starting out 4th line and if you improve you move up. no reason as well that those "top 5" guys get their name written in ink every night. they should be dropping too if not producing. in that BHB comments section now closed off there was a lot of banter about promises of minutes made to guys and their advisors to make sure they come and stay. (prolly also along the lines that got greer to visit the homeland for good over christmas)
you have cloonan and andren too high. if those guys are getting 3rd line minutes, we are again in trouble.
and to be honest there should be nothing wrong with telling a guy like robbie that you are starting out 4th line and if you improve you move up. no reason as well that those "top 5" guys get their name written in ink every night. they should be dropping too if not producing. in that BHB comments section now closed off there was a lot of banter about promises of minutes made to guys and their advisors to make sure they come and stay. (prolly also along the lines that got greer to visit the homeland for good over christmas)
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Sure, if players don't perform they move down or out of the lineup. Don't forget that by the end of the year, there were no suitable replacement forwards due to injury, suspension, and departure. I'm sure Robbie would've found himself out of the lineup more than a few times if one or more of Roberto, Olsson, or Greer were available. That said, telling Robbie he's starting out as a fourth-liner and has to work his way up the depth chart for his final year is a whole different ballgame than outright cutting him would be. Though there seems to be no proof that story was true. Also, Cloonan has a lot of speed but little ability to finish. It was only his freshman year so that's not an enormous problem. That said, as a third or fourth liner and on the PK, with his ability to skate he's a good option there.
Sure, if players don't perform they move down or out of the lineup. Don't forget that by the end of the year, there were no suitable replacement forwards due to injury, suspension, and departure. I'm sure Robbie would've found himself out of the lineup more than a few times if one or more of Roberto, Olsson, or Greer were available. That said, telling Robbie he's starting out as a fourth-liner and has to work his way up the depth chart for his final year is a whole different ballgame than outright cutting him would be. Though there seems to be no proof that story was true. Also, Cloonan has a lot of speed but little ability to finish. It was only his freshman year so that's not an enormous problem. That said, as a third or fourth liner and on the PK, with his ability to skate he's a good option there.
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Agree to disagree on your first line, IMO team's weakness was that one of the two of them was almost always on one of the top 2 lines last semester (out of necessity), not that the other was on the 3rd line.
To your second paragraph I'm not at all saying it is set in stone, play well you move up, play poorly you move down. I'm just doing a body count heading into the year, and besides missing one top 6 forward I am very comfortable with the inventory as it stands.
Agree to disagree on your first line, IMO team's weakness was that one of the two of them was almost always on one of the top 2 lines last semester (out of necessity), not that the other was on the 3rd line.
To your second paragraph I'm not at all saying it is set in stone, play well you move up, play poorly you move down. I'm just doing a body count heading into the year, and besides missing one top 6 forward I am very comfortable with the inventory as it stands.
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Over time, McDermott and Harper figure to be top 2 line guys, don't they? Aren't they 4 year guys who will be what Lane was until late in the season? Just asking.
Friend_of_BU_Hockey
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McDermott maybe, Harper definitely. Harper may be a top-6 right away. Comps I've heard from sources inside the program are McDermott is a more skilled version of John McCarthy; Harper a + version of Chris Higgins (who was very good in his own right).
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Another Chris Higgins is fine by me. Another JMac, too.
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
By the way, I think you answered this same question for me a few weeks ago. Thanks, again.
buoldtimer
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brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
The post about Baillargeon was only half right; he wasn’t cut, however the bottom line is he won’t be back for next season. According to two good sources, Quinn told him it would be very difficult for him to get top six time next year and they mutually agreed that he look at other options. Because Robbie is able to graduate in August, he’ll be able to pursue the graduate transfer option and Quinn has been very supportive. As a result, he likely would be able to play for another team next season.
Florida State’s quarterback last season, Everett Golson, used the graduate transfer to move from Notre Dame to FSU without sitting out a season. And Russell Wilson went from NC State to Wisconsin on a graduate transfer about five years ago.
The post about Baillargeon was only half right; he wasn’t cut, however the bottom line is he won’t be back for next season. According to two good sources, Quinn told him it would be very difficult for him to get top six time next year and they mutually agreed that he look at other options. Because Robbie is able to graduate in August, he’ll be able to pursue the graduate transfer option and Quinn has been very supportive. As a result, he likely would be able to play for another team next season.
Florida State’s quarterback last season, Everett Golson, used the graduate transfer to move from Notre Dame to FSU without sitting out a season. And Russell Wilson went from NC State to Wisconsin on a graduate transfer about five years ago.
ericredaxe
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I have mixed feelings on this situation. So he won't / can't stay and contribute to the team on the 3rd or 4th line (and try to earn more playing time).
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
maybe GQ needs to promise top 6 spots to advisors/mommies/hangers-on to get certain kids to come here and not bolt to Q/O/MJ
maybe GQ needs to promise top 6 spots to advisors/mommies/hangers-on to get certain kids to come here and not bolt to Q/O/MJ
Harry Cleverly
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Fortunato is terrific at moving the puck, either carrying it or passing it. He rarely gets beaten on breaks because of his speed and positioning sense. However, because he is so small, he needs help from a more physical partner.
Diffley would be the one to play as a third or fourth line wing, if there are extra defensemen.
Fortunato is terrific at moving the puck, either carrying it or passing it. He rarely gets beaten on breaks because of his speed and positioning sense. However, because he is so small, he needs help from a more physical partner.
Diffley would be the one to play as a third or fourth line wing, if there are extra defensemen.
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
I think he'd hurt the team less as a forward. I'd prefer to have him up front and not shoot rather than in front of his own net and not clear people out.
I think he'd hurt the team less as a forward. I'd prefer to have him up front and not shoot rather than in front of his own net and not clear people out.
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
Really, it's about as good as it could be for both parties. Robbie's production has lagged significantly since his freshman year. Surely his injury/mono situation last year was a contributing reason, but this year for him was very, very disappointing. Quinn is absolutely right to tell him he's not going to see top six time this year because let's be frank, he hasn't earned it, with or without the freshmen coming in this fall. I would be shocked if Quinn didn't tell him he'd love to have him as a bottom two line guy with experience we'd badly need this season, but beyond that his role would be limited. Because he's on track to graduate, he can transfer and play immediately at a school where he'd get the opportunity to be on the ice much more and hopefully excel. This is not a bad mark on the coaching staff, program, or Robbie at all. It's unfortunate we won't have his experience on the ice, but Quinn would be a bad coach to tell his player who has worked hard enough to graduate early and play elsewhere immediately that he shouldn't do so. Best of luck to Robbie.
Let's also not discount that this is the second player in Quinn's first freshman class who is on track to graduate in three years.
Really, it's about as good as it could be for both parties. Robbie's production has lagged significantly since his freshman year. Surely his injury/mono situation last year was a contributing reason, but this year for him was very, very disappointing. Quinn is absolutely right to tell him he's not going to see top six time this year because let's be frank, he hasn't earned it, with or without the freshmen coming in this fall. I would be shocked if Quinn didn't tell him he'd love to have him as a bottom two line guy with experience we'd badly need this season, but beyond that his role would be limited. Because he's on track to graduate, he can transfer and play immediately at a school where he'd get the opportunity to be on the ice much more and hopefully excel. This is not a bad mark on the coaching staff, program, or Robbie at all. It's unfortunate we won't have his experience on the ice, but Quinn would be a bad coach to tell his player who has worked hard enough to graduate early and play elsewhere immediately that he shouldn't do so. Best of luck to Robbie.
Let's also not discount that this is the second player in Quinn's first freshman class who is on track to graduate in three years.
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