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Boston University 2015-16 thread part 2-move along! nothing to see here! all is well!

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Tater said:
Of course, right after I delete the game from my DVR and can't see what happened. I was thinking after the game Monday that it had looked like that York had successfully reined Wood in. Guess not.

Funny, this didn't come up in the whining over missed penalty calls against BU. :rolleyes:
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https://vine.co/v/i1jh1z9PgQD

Some high schoolers on Twitter felt this was embellished by Oksanen. Laughable two-minute call.
 
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Wood suspended, Moran apparently not. MVPs and Eberlys. Everything went your way on Monday. Except winning the actual game.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Wood suspended, Moran apparently not. MVPs and Eberlys. Everything went your way on Monday. Except winning the actual game.
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Is there video of Moran's slash? Seeing it live I was shocked it went uncalled, but couldn't tell the severity of it.
 
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brassbonanza said:
Is there video of Moran's slash? Seeing it live I was shocked it went uncalled, but couldn't tell the severity of it.
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It was pretty bad and caught Couturier right on the wrist but it really didn't seem intentional. But you're still responsible for your stick no matter what. You can get a major for slashing (rule 65.1) but to miss it completely for even 2 minutes was a pretty brutal gaffe for the zebras. Further, you can only get a DQ if a player "swing the stick at another player in the course of an altercation" so that may be why Moran is able to avoid supplemental discipline.

Caron was babbling on and on about how BC was going on a powerplay without even seeing Moran go to the box (as I think defkit or bomber referenced in a post somewhere). It was pretty odd to watch the thing unfold on tv with Caron and Brickley. I assume Brickley was too embarrassed to correct Caron.
 
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Laughable 2 minute call my ***. Wood got the penalty he deserved there.
 
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J.D. said:
Laughable 2 minute call my ***. Wood got the penalty he deserved there.
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Didn't know helmet-to-helmet checks were minors now. Notice Ahti's head recoils before his shoulder/body do. First point of contact is the head.
 
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Um there are absolutely contact to the head penalties called as two minute minors. Happens all the time.
 
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just as an example

BU-5 Nikolas Olsson (2-Contact to the Head) 8:57 CON-4 Marco Richter (2-Contact to the Head)

you also see them call 2 minutes for contact to head high sticking, elbowing etc. it happens.
 
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J.D. said:
just as an example

BU-5 Nikolas Olsson (2-Contact to the Head) 8:57 CON-4 Marco Richter (2-Contact to the Head)

you also see them call 2 minutes for contact to head high sticking, elbowing etc. it happens.
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Find me a two-minute penalty for leading with the head and making helmet-to-helmet contact as the first point of impact and I'll tell you you're right.

For reference, what Wood did would be considered targeting in NCAA football and he'd have been immediately ejected. Whether that rule is right (or overenforced) is up for debate, but it is indeed the rule.
 
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So you're saying he tried to headbutt oksanen? I don't need you to tell me i am right. Within college hockey rules, there is discretion to assess a 2 minute penalty for contact to the head. It's as simple as that. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
 
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J.D. said:
So you're saying he tried to headbutt oksanen?
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https://vine.co/v/i1jh1z9PgQD

Watch which part of Oksanen's body recoils first, and what it's struck by. (Hint: it's his head)

When you're done with that, go here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/IH16.pdf and scroll down to rule 45.1. There, you'll find that...

"45.1 Contact to the Head - A player shall not make direct contact from any
direction with an opposing player’s head or neck area in any manner
(including, but not limited to, with the shoulder, stick, elbow, etc.).
PENALTY—Major and game misconduct or disqualification at the discretion of the referee."

And later,
'Any contact directly with the player’s head and neck area must be
penalized with a major penalty and a game misconduct or disqualification."


The penalties you described earlier fall under the category of "Indirect Contact to the Head". The contact Wood made with Oksanen's head was not indirect whatsoever.
 
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Not sure what you're not gtasping here. I know he hit him in the head.
 
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J.D. said:
Not sure what you're not gtasping here. I know he hit him in the head.
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I guess we're in disagreement as to whether the contact to the head was direct or indirect.
 
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If you look at the rule book, it says officials are required to place the word indirect when assessing that call. If you look at the example i cited when they were deemed 2 minute calls, you don't see that. There isn't any consistency as it pertains to the rulebook.
 
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J.D. said:
If you look at the rule book, it says officials are required to place the word indirect when assessing that call. If you look at the example i cited when they were deemed 2 minute calls, you don't see that. There isn't any consistency as it pertains to the rulebook.
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I don't know whether the officials can apply rule 45.2 without explicitly calling it indirect, that would seem to require some clarification.
 
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Overall point from me is if you think that should have been a major, so be it. From what i have seen, refs have used more discretion in assessing 2 or 5 than i thought they would when they changed the rules a few years back. After looking at the rules as written it's clear to me at least that refs aren't following the rules as they are written (not always a bad thing).

From a hockey perspective, wood still has to pay the price for ultimately contacting the head. Even then i really don't think it was that bad of a hit. I don't want any player getting 5 for that hit unless you're telling me he intentionally head butted him. That's a different story.
 
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If only Hockey East made suspension explanation videos like the NHL...

Direct shots to the head (especially if it looks intentional from a guy with a bad reputation) are going to be looked at seriously in this era of increased concussion awareness. The refs got it wrong anyways. Certainly wasn't boarding.
 
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To me, the intent here is debatable. I just don't see it. Like i said, if you want to say he intentionally head butted him go right ahead. That's your right. I just didn't see it that way.
 
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J.D. said:
To me, the intent here is debatable. I just don't see it. Like i said, if you want to say he intentionally head butted him go right ahead. That's your right. I just didn't see it that way.
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Intent is not part of the rule, he made direct contact to the head.
 
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