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Boston University 2012 Offseason

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Can't be any worse? You guys still comfortably made the NCAA tourney last year--I believe coming off back-to-back years of not making the tourney. So, it can certainly be worse than last year (on the ice). Tell me why this BU team is better on paper than last year's.
 
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Sorry, didn't mean it to come across that way. Not your job to do research...the questions were better directed towards someone who read that article and concluded it was proof of anything.

Oh no, it didn't come off that way, I'm agreeing with your sentiment by saying I have no answers. The author left some gray area on that topic, though it is still cause for concern that Parker seemed to give conflicting stories.
 
Can't be any worse? You guys still comfortably made the NCAA tourney last year--I believe coming off back-to-back years of not making the tourney. So, it can certainly be worse than last year (on the ice). Tell me why this BU team is better on paper than last year's.

What is your prediction?
 
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. All I really want is our Bean Pot trophy back. .

you are too easily pleased if that's all you want, IMO........... BU is one of those 7,8 ,10 schools that you can reasonably expect to have a chance at all post season hardware, league and NCAA (BC,BU,NoDak, Minny,Denver, Wisconsin,Michigan et al)
 
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Can't be any worse? You guys still comfortably made the NCAA tourney last year--I believe coming off back-to-back years of not making the tourney. So, it can certainly be worse than last year (on the ice). Tell me why this BU team is better on paper than last year's.

Last year was certainly an improvement over the previous two years. But with Coyle, Trivino, and Nicastro all making headlines for the wrong reasons, and with the lack of discipline on the ice seemingly hurting the results, I think many BU fans came away feeling disappointed.

On paper, it maybe a stretch to say we should be better. I think skill up front is where we have the most opportunity to make a difference. Replacing Chiasson, Connolly, Courtnall, and Gaudet with the 5 freshmen forwards (Kurker, O'Regan, Lane, Myron, Moran) - I think will be an upgrade, maybe not right out of the gate, but by mid-season. Chiasson was the best of the group obviously, and Connolly was solid, depsite his goal drought through the first half, but the other two guys didn't add much offense.

The other areas are question marks, and certainly replacing Millan could prove to be tough. Hopefully not.

The glass is always half full in September!
 
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Also - in my opinion, when you make the NCAA's but don't win a game, there is an element of wondering if you really should have been there. Winning at least one game proves that you can win a game when it really counts, and that you should be there. Minny spanked us around pretty good - again - leaving a feeling of disappointment.
 
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Also - in my opinion, when you make the NCAA's but don't win a game, there is an element of wondering if you really should have been there. Winning at least one game proves that you can win a game when it really counts, and that you should be there. Minny spanked us around pretty good - again - leaving a feeling of disappointment.

Last year was an odd one... I would say that the team as it was at the end of the year, probably should not have been in the NCAA's and would not have been were it not for some wins we got with our "full roster"...
 
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So then, will the BU Administration and / or Athletic Department issue an official response to the news articles and opinion pieces published by the Globe since the Task Force report was issued? Or, will they continue to allow themselves to be used as a verbal punching bag by the likes of Brian McGrory, Chris Gaspar, Jim Braude and Margery Eagan? As each day passes, I have to think BU's silence indicates that its response is on the order of "Yeah, I guess the hockey program is completely off the rails". Or, has Colby Cohen become BU's spokesman?

If BU has issued an official response to these articles, and I missed it, I apologize.
 
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So then, will the BU Administration and / or Athletic Department issue an official response to the news articles and opinion pieces published by the Globe since the Task Force report was issued? Or, will they continue to allow themselves to be used as a verbal punching bag by the likes of Brian McGrory, Chris Gaspar, Jim Braude and Margery Eagan? As each day passes, I have to think BU's silence indicates that its response is on the order of "Yeah, I guess the hockey program is completely off the rails". Or, has Colby Cohen become BU's spokesman?

If BU has issued an official response to these articles, and I missed it, I apologize.

Has there been more in the news the past couple of days? Seems like it has already become old news.

I'd guess BU figures the more they talk about it then the more it will be on the front page and they figure they will just let the actions they take in following the task force suggestions be their final word.
 
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So, what is your point?

To paraphrase the Bard, "You doth protest too much me thinks!"

The point is that you used a poor reference. That is it. No need to become emotionally unhinged and to start dropping redacted f-bombs. Your reference was akin to suggesting a "Happy Days" revival would/should include the casting of someone to play the character of "Mork". Admittedly it did make you look uninformed and a bit ignorant, but instead of lashing out at those who try and correct the error of your ways you would be better served to simply thank those who have taken the time to enlighten you and to use greater care in the references you make. Think of this as a teaching moment. Learn from your mistake(s) else seek a referral to a certified anger management program (unless, of course, you are already mandated to attend).
 
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So then, will the BU Administration and / or Athletic Department issue an official response to the news articles and opinion pieces published by the Globe since the Task Force report was issued? Or, will they continue to allow themselves to be used as a verbal punching bag by the likes of Brian McGrory, Chris Gaspar

Speaking of which, does anyone have access to Gasper's article today? I'm a Sunday subscriber but too lazy to hook it up as usually the premium articles are worthless anyway.
 
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To paraphrase the Bard, "You doth protest too much me thinks!"

The point is that you used a poor reference. That is it. No need to become emotionally unhinged and to start dropping redacted f-bombs. Your reference was akin to suggesting a "Happy Days" revival would/should include the casting of someone to play the character of "Mork". Admittedly it did make you look uninformed and a bit ignorant, but instead of lashing out at those who try and correct the error of your ways you would be better served to simply thank those who have taken the time to enlighten you and to use greater care in the references you make. Think of this as a teaching moment. Learn from your mistake(s) else seek a referral to a certified anger management program (unless, of course, you are already mandated to attend).

Don Knotts, Mayberry, Three's Company, Happy Days...this has to be the greatest in-thread digression in the history of this site.
 
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Last year was certainly an improvement over the previous two years. But with Coyle, Trivino, and Nicastro all making headlines for the wrong reasons, and with the lack of discipline on the ice seemingly hurting the results, I think many BU fans came away feeling disappointed.

On paper, it maybe a stretch to say we should be better. I think skill up front is where we have the most opportunity to make a difference. Replacing Chiasson, Connolly, Courtnall, and Gaudet with the 5 freshmen forwards (Kurker, O'Regan, Lane, Myron, Moran) - I think will be an upgrade, maybe not right out of the gate, but by mid-season. Chiasson was the best of the group obviously, and Connolly was solid, depsite his goal drought through the first half, but the other two guys didn't add much offense.

The other areas are question marks, and certainly replacing Millan could prove to be tough. Hopefully not.

The glass is always half full in September!

And if there was a year where more turnover could be good, it would be a year that had a lot of bad memories etc.

The young guys will come in with none of that baggage and play, as most have for several teams in their lives such as national teams etc...they are no strangers to coming into a 'new' team and bulding quickly over a short period of time.

That isn't to say having 2 new G's, a bunch of Frosh and a cloud over the coach are what I'd call a recipe for success...let's hope the fire forges some unity and they develop into a better team over the season vs. last year's evolution.
 
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Speaking of which, does anyone have access to Gasper's article today? I'm a Sunday subscriber but too lazy to hook it up as usually the premium articles are worthless anyway.

In it's entirety...

Hockey-is-king culture was big problem at BU
By Christopher L. Gasper
SEPTEMBER 12, 2012

The distance between Boston University’s Agganis Arena and Penn State’s Beaver Stadium is nearly 440 miles. The schools are closer in mind-set than they are mileage.

The details of alleged sexual misconduct and the existence of an entitlement culture in the Boston University men’s hockey program prove that kneeling at the altar of a college sports team and its iconic coach is not something that only happens in less metropolitan corners of the United States. It’s not reserved for State College, Pa., Columbus, Ohio, or Tuscaloosa, Ala.

It’s in our own backyard rink.

BU liked to think of itself as above the fray of collegiate athletics. Now, when BU stares at its reflection in the ice, what it sees staring back is a culture that is as insular as USC football or Indiana basketball. The school hasn’t had a football team since 1997 but it has a de facto Bowl Championship Series (BCS) one in the hockey team.

That’s the reality in the wake of a report issued by a task force commissioned to study the men’s hockey program after two players, Corey Trivino and Max Nicastro, were charged with sex-related crimes in a 10-week period between December and February.

(The rape charges against Nicastro, stemming from a February incident, were dropped in June because of a lack of evidence. Trivino, charged with assault with intent to rape in December, received two years probation after pleading down to two counts of assault and battery and a single count of trespassing.)

The task force, commissioned in March by Boston University president Robert A. Brown, came to the conclusion that a “culture of sexual entitlement exists among some players on the men’s ice hockey team, stemming in part from their elevated social status on campus.”

Any BU alumnus, such as myself, could have told you that BU hockey players are afforded Big Men on Campus status. Just like I can tell you I’ve met some really gracious, unassuming folks like Bobby Hanson and Carl Corazzini who skated in the scarlet and white.

The much more damaging conclusion to be drawn from the report is that BU was guilty of fostering an all-to-familiar collegiate culture of athletic empowerment in which an idolized coach (Jack Parker) was permitted to behave as if the school worked for him and not the other way around.

Some schools have King Football, but at BU his highness goes by the name of hockey. The man sitting on that throne is Parker. Agganis is the House that Jack Built, and its rink bears his name.

The BU alum is as synonymous with the school as Warren Towers. Entering his 40th season as coach, Parker has brought the school three national titles, 876 wins, so many Beanpots (21) that the tournament has been referred to as the “BU Invitational,” and produced a steady stream of NHLers.

He is BU hockey, which is BU athletics.

That’s the problem.

Some of these players weren’t playing for Boston University. They were playing for Parker U. How can you expect the players to act as part of the university when the university acts like the coach is above it? You can’t.

That’s why it came as no surprise that the No. 1 recommendation of the task force was to strip Parker of his title as executive director of athletics and “normalize the reporting structure in the department of athletics so that all coaches, including the men’s ice hockey coach, report directly and exclusively to the athletic director.”

“The absence of a few routine, transparent, and systematic processes that would establish clear expectations for players’ behavior has created a culture in which important aspects of oversight for our student-athletes’ behavior — beyond performance as a team member — has fallen inappropriately to the coaching staff,” said the task force report.

Changing that’s going to be easier said than done. The 67-year-old Parker has been doing his job and doing it well one way for 40 years. He is the third all-time winningest coach in college hockey.

He has been emperor of BU athletics. Now, he has to check in like a teenager with a curfew with administrators. Parker is likely to say, “Kiss my Ice” to that.

“The task force recommendations speak for themselves. Among the recommendations they seek to clarify any reporting relationships in the department of athletics with regard to administrative and athletics reporting relationships,” said BU spokesman Colin Riley.

Parker can’t be blamed for all the actions of his players. He’s not a baby-sitter. Still, it’s disappointing that by Parker’s own admission he knew Trivino had a drinking problem and tried to handle it internally, with his discipline, not the school’s.

It’s unclear what, if anything, Parker knew about the purported lewd and lecherous celebration his players had at Agganis Arena after winning the 2009 national championship, a party that included sex in the penalty box, according to confidential task force documents obtained by the Globe. He first claimed he knew nothing about a party to the task force and then admitted to knowing about drinking.

Whether it was hockey hedonism or simply an impromptu kegger at the rink, the punishment for the party was determined by Parker and not the school, which paid handsomely to build the arena.

Sensing a theme here? Parker’s punishments are on a need-to-know basis. The problem is sometimes others at the university need to know before it becomes a bigger issue, like it did with Trivino.

Task force documents include player testimony that Parker’s grip on the team has loosened a bit. But he shouldn’t be the only one holding the reins.

The real entitlement issue at BU isn’t just about sex, it’s the belief that BU hockey players only had to answer to the hockey program and not the school.

Somehow BU let those become two different entities.

In the process, the school discovered that it’s not as far from Penn State as it thought.

Christopher L. Gasper is a Globe columnist and the host of Boston Sports Live. He can be reached at cgasper@globe.com. Follow him on Twitter @cgasper.
 
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To paraphrase the Bard, "You doth protest too much me thinks!"

The point is that you used a poor reference. That is it. No need to become emotionally unhinged and to start dropping redacted f-bombs. Your reference was akin to suggesting a "Happy Days" revival would/should include the casting of someone to play the character of "Mork". Admittedly it did make you look uninformed and a bit ignorant, but instead of lashing out at those who try and correct the error of your ways you would be better served to simply thank those who have taken the time to enlighten you and to use greater care in the references you make. Think of this as a teaching moment. Learn from your mistake(s) else seek a referral to a certified anger management program (unless, of course, you are already mandated to attend).

And here we have gotten along all these years without a pompous ******* specializing in policing TV character references. We have a lot of others, but they specialize in other areas of 'who cares?' topics.

The reference was accurate, as you kindly established. It is your opinion it was a poor reference. Unless you'd like to provide some evidence of your expertise in this field, your opinion means nothing. Well, if you worked really hard we could upgrade it to the level of meaning nothing.

As the reference brought you to the right character, it clearly had some success. Now, you chose to search Wikipedia for Mr Knotts' career timeline, unless you claim to know it off-hand (in which case we can add creepy to your growing list of flattering descriptors)so you could 'teach' us something...why did you do that? Did it have anything to do with this thread? Did it have anything to do with the context of my post?

This isn't the TV thread Cliff; can we assume you get that reference?

As for redacting profanity, the system does that, I had no hesitation in my use of words. And they all still apply.

That you would again presume you could teach me or provide me advice on anything, except for the aforementioned skills of issuing inaccurate internet 1960's TV sitcom reference commentary and/or being a pompous *******, reinforces my already low regard for your posts.

So, I will decline your teaching moments, your sage advice and any other touchy-feely platitudes you'd care to impart during your journey towards completely making a fool of yourself. Go sell crazy somewhere else. (need me to footnote that one for you?)

As for anger, spare me, letting someone like yourself know how I feel about them took no time and no emotion...there are things that can get me angry, you will never reach that level.

Lastly, Daniel Bard never said that...kindly take care to clearly identify to whom you are attributing quotes...we really, really care about that type of stuff out here on internet chatboards for college hockey.
 
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Pirate, I think it's time you switch to decaf buddy.

WarriorDJ thanks for the article. I see more people keep talking about Penn State and how it relates to BU here. We need to get hokydad to email Chris Gasper and everyone else writing about this so they will finally understand that BU didn't have a guy named Jerry Sandusky raping underage boys in the shower room of the football complex on campus (then again, considering Sandusky coached at BU maybe he did?). That will set everyone straight once and for all.
 
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Pirate, I think it's time you switch to decaf buddy.

WarriorDJ thanks for the article. I see more people keep talking about Penn State and how it relates to BU here. We need to get hokydad to email Chris Gasper and everyone else writing about this so they will finally understand that BU didn't have a guy named Jerry Sandusky raping underage boys in the shower room of the football complex on campus (then again, considering Sandusky coached at BU maybe he did?). That will set everyone straight once and for all.

beware a man with a keyboard between meetings ...I think I'll suggest my new friend set up a unique thread where he and I can debate this vs. dragging you all through it. Since I periodically have 5 minutes of idle time I'd be happy to engage this twit as long as he doesn't mind only being responded to when I have nothing else to do or having no contact for days on end. It will provide him time to watch McHale's Navy reruns looking for historical innaccuracies.
 
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Good article/column/op-ed whatever.

However, he used prominently the sex in the box allegation where only one person has come on record (CCohen). This person on the record claims it didn't happen while he was there. I'd like someone who was sexed to come on record (with pix :D) so we have some proof.
 
Good article/column/op-ed whatever.

However, he used prominently the sex in the box allegation where only one person has come on record (CCohen). This person on the record claims it didn't happen while he was there. I'd like someone who was sexed to come on record (with pix :D) so we have some proof.

Mookie,
When will you learn that facts just ruin a good story/article/post? Although, you can count me in as to seeing picture evidence. :D
 
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To paraphrase the Bard, "You doth protest too much me thinks!"

The point is that you used a poor reference. That is it. No need to become emotionally unhinged and to start dropping redacted f-bombs. Your reference was akin to suggesting a "Happy Days" revival would/should include the casting of someone to play the character of "Mork". Admittedly it did make you look uninformed and a bit ignorant, but instead of lashing out at those who try and correct the error of your ways you would be better served to simply thank those who have taken the time to enlighten you and to use greater care in the references you make. <b>Think of this as a teaching moment. Learn from your mistake(s) else seek a referral to a certified anger management program (unless, of course, you are already mandated to attend).</b>

Are you for real? Or is there some hidden sarcasm here that I'm missing...jeez...
 
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