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Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
What other conclusions can you draw than that kids just don't like being at BU these days. And if hit with a little adversity, like being told they need to up their game & earn their ice time (which Myron definitely did need to do), they decide they'd rather leave than do that.
It's way past ridiculous.
What other conclusions can you draw than that kids just don't like being at BU these days. And if hit with a little adversity, like being told they need to up their game & earn their ice time (which Myron definitely did need to do), they decide they'd rather leave than do that.
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
That the hockey scholarship application should have a question that reads: "Are you a quitter?" __Yes __No __Depends __Don't Know __Ask Me Later
BU Hockey: Cult of Quit
That the hockey scholarship application should have a question that reads: "Are you a quitter?" __Yes __No __Depends __Don't Know __Ask Me Later
BU Hockey: Cult of Quit
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
Seems there's too much "What can BU do for me?"
A potent mix of selfishness, delusion, and impatience on the part of many of these players, IMO. Now if, during recruiting, these kids are all being told they will become NHLers after two years, maybe I can summon a tiny bit of sympathy.
Seems there's too much "What can BU do for me?"
A potent mix of selfishness, delusion, and impatience on the part of many of these players, IMO. Now if, during recruiting, these kids are all being told they will become NHLers after two years, maybe I can summon a tiny bit of sympathy.
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
They got rid of the post game beer and booty calls on the ice. Who wouldn't leave.....
They got rid of the post game beer and booty calls on the ice. Who wouldn't leave.....
defkit
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
As much as I would like to lump this in to the big picture and facilitate a change at the top, I put this one on Myron. Perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise that when a Vancouver native, drafted by his home team, goes to the other coast to play hockey, and things are not working out as he envisioned, he quits. Parker seems to have given him plenty of opportunities to get his game going, but it just hadn't happened yet. I wish he would have looked down the bench to Mr. Hohmann and Mr. Rodrigues to see what a difference a year can make. But he obviously chose not to. I do think it's comical that he is going to "attempt to play professionally" when he has hardly even shown he belongs at the D-1 level. I could understand if he was jumping to the WHL. But seriously, Pro Hockey?
Perhaps I'm wrong and this is another case where Parker's attempt to motivate Wes by benching him backfired on him, due to a lack of communication.
As much as I would like to lump this in to the big picture and facilitate a change at the top, I put this one on Myron. Perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise that when a Vancouver native, drafted by his home team, goes to the other coast to play hockey, and things are not working out as he envisioned, he quits. Parker seems to have given him plenty of opportunities to get his game going, but it just hadn't happened yet. I wish he would have looked down the bench to Mr. Hohmann and Mr. Rodrigues to see what a difference a year can make. But he obviously chose not to. I do think it's comical that he is going to "attempt to play professionally" when he has hardly even shown he belongs at the D-1 level. I could understand if he was jumping to the WHL. But seriously, Pro Hockey?
Perhaps I'm wrong and this is another case where Parker's attempt to motivate Wes by benching him backfired on him, due to a lack of communication.
Jacques Joubert
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
Burn it to the ground Jack and Bavis....in a couple years they'll be nothing left.
Burn it to the ground Jack and Bavis....in a couple years they'll be nothing left.
DaveStPaul
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
I was working on some light-hearted comeback to the "why are so many players quitting BU these days" thing earlier -- something along the lines of "How do we know this isn't because the coaches have finally turned a corner and are demanding blah blah blah, and the jerks they possibly-unknowingly recruited see things are different now, and it's just a stretch we'll have to go through until people realize they mean business now . . . " And so on. Real funny stuff. Yuk yuk yuk.
Then I get back from my daughter's play tonight, and see a 5-1 whupping at the hands of UMass. So, never mind. Not interested in the funny stuff.
I was working on some light-hearted comeback to the "why are so many players quitting BU these days" thing earlier -- something along the lines of "How do we know this isn't because the coaches have finally turned a corner and are demanding blah blah blah, and the jerks they possibly-unknowingly recruited see things are different now, and it's just a stretch we'll have to go through until people realize they mean business now . . . " And so on. Real funny stuff. Yuk yuk yuk.
Then I get back from my daughter's play tonight, and see a 5-1 whupping at the hands of UMass. So, never mind. Not interested in the funny stuff.
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
We suck
We suck
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
Okay so Cisse and Myron are gone.....and the team continues to lose. If its the players fault for quitting and leaving the program, why does the program still suck on the ice after these guys are gone?
Look, I'm long passed calling for Parker to go, but I think we're at the point where I feel sad for him. Somebody close to him, be it a family member, a peer, or a former player needs to pull him aside, explain reality, and then tell him its time to go. I get why he sticks around. Its not easy for someone with the determination to be a legendary coach to just be able to turn it off like that. However, at some point you have to realize what everybody else does. The coach's strength was never in player development or motivation. It solely rested on recruitment. If he can no longer get the recruits or if they're taking off after a year or two here even if they have no prospects elsewhere, this situation will not reverse itself.
Okay so Cisse and Myron are gone.....and the team continues to lose. If its the players fault for quitting and leaving the program, why does the program still suck on the ice after these guys are gone?
Look, I'm long passed calling for Parker to go, but I think we're at the point where I feel sad for him. Somebody close to him, be it a family member, a peer, or a former player needs to pull him aside, explain reality, and then tell him its time to go. I get why he sticks around. Its not easy for someone with the determination to be a legendary coach to just be able to turn it off like that. However, at some point you have to realize what everybody else does. The coach's strength was never in player development or motivation. It solely rested on recruitment. If he can no longer get the recruits or if they're taking off after a year or two here even if they have no prospects elsewhere, this situation will not reverse itself.
Carmine Scarpaglia
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
Ugh. Suspensions have all been served and they bend over and get Nicastro'd by Umass. This is looking great for Parker to get these guys going for another Beanpot. Let me congratulate BU in advance on the next two Monday victories coming.
Ugh. Suspensions have all been served and they bend over and get Nicastro'd by Umass. This is looking great for Parker to get these guys going for another Beanpot. Let me congratulate BU in advance on the next two Monday victories coming.
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
Rover the lemmings and worshipers (including many on here) will never realize what the astute observers have seen for years. Now I am telling you this "sample size" is going on 15 years. I enjoyed the 2009 title for about 15 minutes because I knew it would lead to another decade of underperformance, dysfunction and arrogance. We were a couple of own goals away by BU opponents of being done with Parker for good, frustrating.So its Groundhog Day (for real)with the BU hockey program but the "followers" still trust the "celebrity" coach, I cant think of any other reason why they refuse to look at reality.
defkit
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
I feel for Megan. Senior captain, he is doing his best (on the ice at least) from what I have seen to try to make it a good season. He deserves better. I'l hold out hope that the guys can use the Beanpot to start a run, but right now, they are not an NCAA tourney team.
I feel for Megan. Senior captain, he is doing his best (on the ice at least) from what I have seen to try to make it a good season. He deserves better. I'l hold out hope that the guys can use the Beanpot to start a run, but right now, they are not an NCAA tourney team.
Jacques Joubert
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No they are not. Not close. We're looking at a 16-21 range.
Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
Which I don't understand because he's a 2nd round pick. Why don't these guys ever work out once they get here?
Which I don't understand because he's a 2nd round pick. Why don't these guys ever work out once they get here?
ericredaxe
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Isn't it a bit early to say he hasn't worked out? After all we are basically halfway through his freshman year, and as mentioned came a year early (which is one less year of development prior to his arrival).
Harry Cleverly
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Re: Boston University 2012-13 Season Thread -- Part II
There are eight other Hockey East programs that wished that they 'sucked' as much as BU over the past decade. So "suck" is a very relative term.
Cisse and Myron combined to score 4 goals and 2 assists for 6 points in 59 games. Cisse was playing regularly on the first line, when he chose to opt out.
Myron looked like a potentially decent two-way player. But no way he was a first or second line guy this year, on this team.
That is sometimes hard for drafted, incoming players to accept, when they don't turn it on and produce right away.
Bottom line: Cisse and Myron have no one to blame but themselves.
If they think the grass is greener elsewhere, good luck to them.
The only difficulty in replacing them is with actual bodies, because they quit on their team in midseason, rather than at the end of the year when they can be replaced.
Kurker was a second round draft choice for his potential, not for what was at the draft. He has good size and good hands, and skates pretty well when he decides that he wants to do that. He is far, far from the finished article. In fact, he really isn't close right now.
When he was in high school, the knock on him was that he cruise through games and pick his spots to turn it on. He can't do that at this level, and still be effective. He needs to learn to work every shift, and not make so many blind passes.
He would have benefited greatly from a year in the USHL, because it has only been lately that he looks like a legitimate college player. He is getting better, and he still could become pretty good.
If you want a comparison, Chiasson was also a second round draft choice. Other than their draft status, there isn't much else to compare them in their first year.
If people aren't happy with Kurker's development, what about O'Regan's. He is progressing very nicely, without as much of the hype.
Hohmann was unhappy as a freshman. He had always been a first line guy wherever he played, and he found himself on the third or fourth line last year. He didn't accept that assignment too well. But where did he deserve to play last season? Third or fourth line, at best. His attitude last year wasn't the best.
But he didn't quit. He stuck it out, and worked hard to get better.
How is it working out for him? Pretty darn well, if you ask me. And likely if you asked him, too
I'm sorry, but I have difficulty drumming up much, if any, sympathy for guys that quit on their teammates in midseason.
Too many players these days walk away, rather than work harder, when things don't go their way. They can't accept anything but instant gratification.
If you want to talk about about character guys, the backbone of hockey, don't talk about them. They don't have it. The proof is in their actions, both in lack of production when they do play, and abandoning ship when they don't get their way.
There are eight other Hockey East programs that wished that they 'sucked' as much as BU over the past decade. So "suck" is a very relative term.
Cisse and Myron combined to score 4 goals and 2 assists for 6 points in 59 games. Cisse was playing regularly on the first line, when he chose to opt out.
Myron looked like a potentially decent two-way player. But no way he was a first or second line guy this year, on this team.
That is sometimes hard for drafted, incoming players to accept, when they don't turn it on and produce right away.
Bottom line: Cisse and Myron have no one to blame but themselves.
If they think the grass is greener elsewhere, good luck to them.
The only difficulty in replacing them is with actual bodies, because they quit on their team in midseason, rather than at the end of the year when they can be replaced.
Kurker was a second round draft choice for his potential, not for what was at the draft. He has good size and good hands, and skates pretty well when he decides that he wants to do that. He is far, far from the finished article. In fact, he really isn't close right now.
When he was in high school, the knock on him was that he cruise through games and pick his spots to turn it on. He can't do that at this level, and still be effective. He needs to learn to work every shift, and not make so many blind passes.
He would have benefited greatly from a year in the USHL, because it has only been lately that he looks like a legitimate college player. He is getting better, and he still could become pretty good.
If you want a comparison, Chiasson was also a second round draft choice. Other than their draft status, there isn't much else to compare them in their first year.
If people aren't happy with Kurker's development, what about O'Regan's. He is progressing very nicely, without as much of the hype.
Hohmann was unhappy as a freshman. He had always been a first line guy wherever he played, and he found himself on the third or fourth line last year. He didn't accept that assignment too well. But where did he deserve to play last season? Third or fourth line, at best. His attitude last year wasn't the best.
But he didn't quit. He stuck it out, and worked hard to get better.
How is it working out for him? Pretty darn well, if you ask me. And likely if you asked him, too
I'm sorry, but I have difficulty drumming up much, if any, sympathy for guys that quit on their teammates in midseason.
Too many players these days walk away, rather than work harder, when things don't go their way. They can't accept anything but instant gratification.
If you want to talk about about character guys, the backbone of hockey, don't talk about them. They don't have it. The proof is in their actions, both in lack of production when they do play, and abandoning ship when they don't get their way.
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