Boston University 2011 Offseason

[mpereira]

Re: Boston University 2011 Offseason

Similar to srsterrier, I have a ton of respect for Parker, and I'm glad we had him has a coach because he has done more for BU Hockey than anyone. It's just gotten past him, and he's no longer the right man for the job.

Well I am looking forward to him and the team proving you and the others who support a new coach(I assume Quinn,Hynes and Sullivan are all viable options) wrong next year. I just don't agree with deciding to throw a NC out the window because he had a great team put together and two years later giving him the boot and we all know he is here aslong as he wants to be anyway whether you like it or not.

 

[Tater]

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As for this year, not making the Garden and the Beanpot were unacceptable for sure but once again im not sure how much falls on Parker and the coaching staff. There is the inexperience, poor execution,..etc. We could play this game for days I am sure but that HE QF series was the season in a nutshell where the team simply couldn't execute when they needed to. That team played hard all weekend but stuggled making key decisions and playing disciplined hockey. Some of that falls on Parker but he can only tell them what to do. He can't go out and play for them.

So, when the team does well it shows that Parker is still an elite coach, but when the team does badly it is mainly the players' fault. Gotcha.

Who do you think brought these players here? The coaching staff is responsible for them good or bad.

 

[Tater]

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Well I am looking forward to him and the team proving you and the others who support a new coach(I assume Quinn,Hynes and Sullivan are all viable options) wrong next year.

We would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. We just have the last dozen years or so to justify our opinions.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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We would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. We just have the last dozen years or so to justify our opinions.

The same thing could be, and was, said during the 1980s. Yet somehow Coach Parker was able to then have a tremendous nine season run in the 1990s.

In my opinion the problem with the team is not Coach Parker directly, but with the assistant coaches.

Sean

 

[jcarter7669]

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I just don't agree with deciding to throw a NC out the window because he had a great team put together and two years later giving him the boot

You aren't following. The NC doesn't get thrown out the window.... it's there and was earned by BU and in particular a few leaders on the team that led. Something Parker isn't doing anymore. The NC was a bit of a fluke. Hokydad could have coached that team to a FF at least. Anyone of the assistant coaches could have coached that team to the championship.

Here's the problem with Parker, his style doesn't work. It worked a decade ago. In case no one noticed there is a tremendous difference between kids from 10-15 years ago and today. First off, when you get a kid 10-15 years ago a load of crap they usually got fired up, put their head down and worked harder. Kids today don't do that. Moreover, what continues to happen year in and year out is that JP becomes more and more inclined to throw his players under the bus. When you watch an interview with coaches MOST coaches will talk around it... blah blah we need to find some leadership.... players need to step up.... as coaches we need to do our job...blah blah blah. Not Parker.... Jimmy dogged it last night, Tommy just sucks.... our defensmen are morons....the only player worth a **** was mpeirera who rode my wood.

Calling players out used to work. Now it just loses you respect. Parker can't change and the players won't respect him. They come because of Parker and playing for an elite program will get you noticed far better then at AIC, so you take a gamble try to get by and hope you don't walk into the dressing room to find your locker empty.

 

[Rover]

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The same thing could be, and was, said during the 1980s. Yet somehow Coach Parker was able to then have a tremendous nine season run in the 1990s.

In my opinion the problem with the team is not Coach Parker directly, but with the assistant coaches.

Sean

Yes, as a recruiter. We should have won 3 national championships that decade with the kids he brought in. Losing in 91 and 97 was ridiculous given the talent those teams had (no shame in losing to LSSU, although 9-1 and having the game over 5 minutes into the first period tells me he didn't have the team ready to play).

 

[mpereira]

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So, when the team does well it shows that Parker is still an elite coach, but when the team does badly it is mainly the players' fault. Gotcha.

Who do you think brought these players here? The coaching staff is responsible for them good or bad.

I am not saying that. I think it is an equal share of blame and praise for either way. The players came back in the NC game in 09. I don't think Parker said or did anything special to score two goals in the last minute to force OT. I think all of the people on here go quite the other way though. When things go wrong, it is because Parker is old and can't relate but when it goes right it is because Colin Wilson can score and Matt Gilroy related between Parker and the rest of the team. I think he deserves more credit as a coach. There are obviously everyone else on this thread that disagrees with that and wants him gone but I think you all underestimate him and overrate how good his replacement would be at filling his shoes.

 

[mpereira]

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Calling players out used to work. Now it just loses you respect. Parker can't change and the players won't respect him. They come because of Parker and playing for an elite program will get you noticed far better then at AIC, so you take a gamble try to get by and hope you don't walk into the dressing room to find your locker empty.

So the players don't respect him but they come here because of him(a guy they don't repsect)? I got you...that is perfect logic. The recruits he gets have other high quality options usually. It is rare that BU gets a recruit that didn't have an offer from another school in HE and usually multiple.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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So the players don't respect him but they come here because of him(a guy they don't repsect)? I got you...that is perfect logic. The recruits he gets have other high quality options usually. It is rare that BU gets a recruit that didn't have an offer from another school in HE and usually multiple.

It's not hard to understand.

Before the kids get to school they are spoonfed how amazing Parker is, he has won this and that, turned down the Bruins job, put all these guys in the NHL, etc (no one mentions that he may be suffering from dementia). A legendary coach is a selling point to a recruit. No one denies that. And Parker is one of those guys. Sure kids will pick BU to play for a legendary coach among other great factors that BU has going for it. Absolutely.

When they get there, though, it's a different story to some kids. Not all, but some. Parker doesn't have to woo them anymore to convince them to come. It's either do it my way or waste a year transferring somewhere or try to sign without much D1 performance to ask for any reasonable dollar amount (or for the undrafted... risk your draft status? Yikes). When they show up, their butts are his. When this bad stuff happens ("stop playing like Craig Janney"... cleaning out kids' lockers... drinking binges on non-drinking days... optional workouts that aren't optional... punishment bike rides) , obviously the kids that went there to play for him change their tunes on the legendary JackPa.

It's kind of hard for kids to know this stuff when they're in high school and the legend has a life of its own. Everything is complicated by the fact that things have changed drastically in the past 15 years. Parker has trouble relating to the kids now. He just does. A lot of BU fans see that as well. But the legend of Coach Parker still works off of success from beyond the last 15 years. So it's a bit complicated now for a recruit.

I can't believe I wasted this many words having to explain something so elementary to you but then again it really isn't very surprising.

 

[jcarter7669]

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It's not hard to understand.

Before the kids get to school they are spoonfed how amazing Parker is, he has won this and that, turned down the Bruins job, put all these guys in the NHL, etc (no one mentions that he may be suffering from dementia). A legendary coach is a selling point to a recruit. No one denies that. And Parker is one of those guys. Sure kids will pick BU to play for a legendary coach among other great factors that BU has going for it. Absolutely.

When they get there, though, it's a different story to some kids. Not all, but some. Parker doesn't have to woo them anymore to convince them to come. It's either do it my way or waste a year transferring somewhere or try to sign without much D1 performance to ask for any reasonable dollar amount (or for the undrafted... risk your draft status? Yikes). When they show up, their butts are his. When this bad stuff happens ("stop playing like Craig Janney"... cleaning out kids' lockers... drinking binges on non-drinking days... optional workouts that aren't optional... punishment bike rides) , obviously the kids that went there to play for him change their tunes on the legendary JackPa.

It's kind of hard for kids to know this stuff when they're in high school and the legend has a life of its own. Everything is complicated by the fact that things have changed drastically in the past 15 years. Parker has trouble relating to the kids now. He just does. A lot of BU fans see that as well. But the legend of Coach Parker still works off of success from beyond the last 15 years. So it's a bit complicated now for a recruit.

I can't believe I wasted this many words having to explain something so elementary to you but then again it really isn't very surprising.

This !!

And I will add that "BU" has as much draw as Parker. Kids are sitting there and they have offers from say Vermont, Maine, UNH, MC and BU. Now, they are thinking about who they will be playing for, how much time they will play, and what their odds of getting to the NHL are. The decent kids may choose VT or UNH, they have a greater chance to play and make a name for themselves. The elite kids are thinking, hey BU sends a lot of kids to the NHL, and there is a lot of exposure there. It's also has a lot of history, thats the place for me. Playing for Jack Parkmeonthebenchbecauseheneedstothrowsomeoneunderthebus isn't the only consideration they have.

 

[Federal League]

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This !!

And I will add that "BU" has as much draw as Parker. Kids are sitting there and they have offers from say Vermont, Maine, UNH, MC and BU. Now, they are thinking about who they will be playing for, how much time they will play, and what their odds of getting to the NHL are. The decent kids may choose VT or UNH, they have a greater chance to play and make a name for themselves. The elite kids are thinking, hey BU sends a lot of kids to the NHL, and there is a lot of exposure there. It's also has a lot of history, thats the place for me. Playing for Jack Parkmeonthebenchbecauseheneedstothrowsomeoneunderthebus isn't the only consideration they have.

Just out of curiosity, could you tell me how many kids BU sent to the NHL before Parker took over? It's so unbelievably stupid of you (and Carmine) to credit BU, its history, its resources, etc. for putting players in the NHL and not credit Parker. He's just as important, if not more important, of a factor as any of that other stuff. I would say the two biggest reasons for the number of BU players in the NHL, far ahead of the program's history or Agganis' facilities, are Parker and Boyle. They are the ones who get players ready for the NHL, not the banners or the history or the arena's good sightlines or whatever else.

 

[jcarter7669]

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Just out of curiosity, could you tell me how many kids BU sent to the NHL before Parker took over? It's so unbelievably stupid of you (and Carmine) to credit BU, its history, its resources, etc. for putting players in the NHL and not credit Parker. He's just as important, if not more important, of a factor as any of that other stuff. I would say the two biggest reasons for the number of BU players in the NHL, far ahead of the program's history or Agganis' facilities, are Parker and Boyle. They are the ones who get players ready for the NHL, not the banners or the history or the arena's good sightlines or whatever else.

I would counter that it's so incredibly stupid of you and mpereirarara to not be able to distinguish between past and present. How many went to the NHL before Parker.....who cares. It's irrelevant how many parker sent 20,15,10 years ago. It's pretty much irrelavant to even look at who went last year or the year before that without taking into account progress. If Parker recruits at #1 draft pick and that kid makes it to the NHL that's not terribly impressive. Same kid a #6 draft pick and makes it after going from 12pts as a freshman to 40pts as a senior and now you are talking. Parker relies on his history. Live in the past, all the better for the other 9 times in HE.

 

[Federal League]

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I would counter that it's so incredibly stupid of you and mpereirarara to not be able to distinguish between past and present. How many went to the NHL before Parker.....who cares. It's irrelevant how many parker sent 20,15,10 years ago. It's pretty much irrelavant to even look at who went last year or the year before that without taking into account progress. If Parker recruits at #1 draft pick and that kid makes it to the NHL that's not terribly impressive. Same kid a #6 draft pick and makes it after going from 12pts as a freshman to 40pts as a senior and now you are talking. Parker relies on his history. Live in the past, all the better for the other 9 times in HE.

What about Bonino (6th round), McCarthy (7th) and Gilroy (undrafted)? Nah, you're right. None of them progressed at all under Parker. Neither did Wilson in his two years here. Or Van Der Gulik. Or... well, you get the point. Nice try, though.

 

[mookie1995]

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Same kid a #6 draft pick and makes it after going from 12pts as a freshman to 40pts as a senior and now you are talking. Parker relies on his history. Live in the past, all the better for the other 9 times in HE.

hmmm.

like 8th round Yip?
like 7th round McCarthy?
like 6th round Bonino?
like undrafted Gilroy?


moron.

 

[srsterrier]

The same thing could be, and was, said during the 1980s. Yet somehow Coach Parker was able to then have a tremendous nine season run in the 1990s.

In my opinion the problem with the team is not Coach Parker directly, but with the assistant coaches.

Sean

Sean: There have been a lot of concerns raised about Powers on this board. Do you view Bavis as a problem too?

 

[mpereira]

On another note, Ryan s Clark and Fear the Triangle are tweeting that old pal Vinny Saponari is close to committing to Northeastern. Should make those games even more interesting.
Also FL and Mookie proved my point about Parker's ability to develop players in the last two or three years. He still does have the ability to turn guys into NHL players and has done it with pretty steady frequency over his coaching tenure here.

 

[mookie1995]

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Also FL and Mookie proved my point ....

easy there... i was just letting "du mass" there know he hasn't a clue.

i can call my girlfriend an ugly slut, but if someone else does....

don't give a pass for the deep 09 class with a lack of development over the last decade. there have been a number of 2nd & 3rd rounders that didn't make it. there have also been a number of mid'ling prospects with potential who seem to flame out and dog it (like oh ...... gregg johnson) when the going got tough. when you read something from one of his minor league stops about how he didn't get along with parker and faulted him for the stall in his progress it gets annoying. it is up to parker to know that some of these so called hockey players may be a little soft and not take a calling out when they don't work hard the way you want..right?

either way. whether it is getting crushed in worcester, or having nearly the entire team celebrate st patty's day & night right before a playoff game that will end your season with a loss - that has been the steady frequency over the past decade..and the buck stops with parker.

 

[mpereira]

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don't give a pass for the deep 09 class with a lack of development over the last decade. there have been a number of 2nd & 3rd rounders that didn't make it. there have also been a number of mid'ling prospects with potential who seem to flame out and dog it (like oh ...... gregg johnson) when the going got tough. when you read something from one of his minor league stops about how he didn't get along with parker and faulted him for the stall in his progress it gets annoying. it is up to parker to know that some of these so called hockey players may be a little soft and not take a calling out when they don't work hard the way you want..right?

either way. whether it is getting crushed in worcester, or having nearly the entire team celebrate st patty's day & night right before a playoff game that will end your season with a loss - that has been the steady frequency over the past decade..and the buck stops with parker.

I agree with basically everything you just said. Parker isn't 100% on developing guys by any means but no coaches out there are. I think he has produced a good amount of late draft picks into NHL players and should be given credit for that as a coach. Parker does has to take the responsibility for what has happened with the program in those instances you mentioned though. I just feel it is unfair to blame the bad on him but not give him any credit for the good things that have happened. I personally think this coming year is a huge one to see where his coaching ability and ability to motivate is. This team will be losing underclassmen(Coyle,Chiasson) and a fairly large senior class(ChrisCo, Millan, Rollheiser,..etc) after next season so next year is the year to make the run for a HE Regular season/Tournament title,Beanpot and another NC. If this team failes to go make the FF next year then I will agree that it may be time for Parker to move on and hand the program over to a younger coach.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Coach Parker's Top Assistants

Coach Parker's Top Assistants

Sean: There have been a lot of concerns raised about Powers on this board. Do you view Bavis as a problem too?

Yes, I do as a top assistant is critical to the success of the program and I don’t see Coach Bavis fitting that mold. Coach Parker’s best top assistants have moved on after 5 or 6 seasons and even Coaches Durocher and Smith moved on after 8 seasons. Coach Bavis has just completed his 13th season with the program, his second as the top assistant. Here are BU’s results under each of Coach Parker’s top assistants.

Coach Parker was promoted 6 games into the 1973-74 season and the following season he hired Don Cahoon as his top assistant. Cahoon remained through the 1979-80 season, when he left to be head coach at Norwich. BU's record during his tenure was 124-30-4 with 1 NCAA title, 4 Frozen Fours/NCAAs, 3 ECAC titles, and 3 Beanpot titles.

Coach Parker next hired John Danby (1979-81 - BU's record: 25-32, no titles – I don’t know why he left) and then Ben Smith (1981-1987, 1988-1990 - BU's record: 167-114-19, 1 Frozen Four, 3 NCAAs, 1 Hockey East title, 3 Beanpots - left for US Olympic team (1987-88) and then head coach at Dartmouth).

Don Cahoon returned for the 1987-88 season (14-17-3, no titles), filling in for Coach Smith, and again for the 1990-91 season (28-11-2, NCAA runner-up, Frozen Four, Hockey East title, Beanpot title - left to become head coach at Princeton).

Coach Parker next hired Blaise MacDonald as his top assistant for the 1991-92 season. He remained though the 1995-96 season, when he left to become head coach at Niagara. BU's record during his tenure was 147-37-12, with 1 NCAA title, 4 Frozen Fours, 5 NCAAs, 2 Hockey East titles, and 3 Beanpot titles.

Brian Durocher was then hired as Coach Parker's top assistant for the 1996-97 season through the 2003-04 season. He was then hired as the first head coach of the BU women's program. BU's record during his tenure was 169-108-36, with 1 Frozen Four, 5 NCAAs, 1 Hockey East title, and 6 Beanpot titles.

Coach Parker then hired David Quinn, who was the top assistant from 2004-05 through 2008-09, when left to become head coach of the Lake Erie Monsters. BU's record during his tenure was 123-57-25, with 1 NCAA title, 1 Frozen Four, 4 NCAAs, 2 Hockey East titles, and 4 Beanpot titles.

Coach Parker then promoted Mike Bavis to Associate Head Coach (2009-present). BU's record during his tenure is 37-29-11, no titles.

Sean

 

[jcarter7669]

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hmmm.

like 8th round Yip?
like 7th round McCarthy?
like 6th round Bonino?
like undrafted Gilroy?


moron.

Of for Pete's sake. Should I list all those that didn't make it under Parker's coaching? I'm a moron because you came up with 4 kids? Ok, no use explaining to you then that a.) Gilroy was clearly a special kid that would likely be where he is right now with or without Parker. Hey keep supporting Parker, I hope he stays at BU for another decade at least.