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Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

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quiddlet said:
ALRIGHT

If anybody has anything else to tell us... out with it, now.

Parker retiring?
Kieran secretly injured?
Kraus coming back?
Kevin Gilroy not really related to Matt?
Ben Rosen not actually jewish?
Cisse not actually an awesome name?
Refs no longer on our side?

I want to know. Now please.
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Okay, here goes...

DavidB doesn't like beer
BU2K gave up Jack 'n Coke
Scarlet forgot who the leading point scorer was on BU one year between 1970-2011
Brandan Walsh is BU's next coach
 
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Rover said:
We've got different definitions on what constitutes "very good". They way I see it, he scored 20 something point last year and would score the same amount this year. That's mediocre in my book. Maybe he goes nuts in his senior year but its as likely he regresses also. This team needs more guys banging in 20+ goals and 40-50 points if its going to be successful.
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So because he's not scoring 50 points we're just as well off replacing him with a guy in the lineup that might struggle to put up 10 points? I know it'd be nice to be able to downplay this loss just because Charlie wasn't fulfilling the lofty expectations many had of him, but be realistic here. You and Jofa are turning into the BU debbie downer duo again.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Sabo and Johnson played 4 years and stunk. Neither had the ceiling that this kid has. Coyle was 3 semesters in.

Guys are capable of just blowing up after Christmas. We saw it with a guy like Benn Ferriero. I think he scored 16 goals after Christmas or something like that. We've seen a lot of guys play phenomenal hockey coming back from the WJC.

There's no telling what he would have done. Either way, they're replacing him with an even worse player. Every line just got worse as mookie just pointed out.

You just can't compare a 3 semester bust (Coyle) with a 4 year bust (Sabo).
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BC posters just tearing it up with good posts right now. Another good (BU) example is Colin Wilson after his return from the WJC in the '08-'09 season.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere, but it is a loss for the NCAA in general to see a student athlete depart for major junior. exactly what paul kelly is trying to prevent. shame that coyle couldn't handle the academic responsibilities - it certainly will mean a tougher road for him if a pro hockey career doesn't pan out.
 
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I will be very, very interested in hearing what Parker has to say about this. Whether he puts it out there that it was academics/Coyle would have been ineligible anyway or if he takes the Coyle abandoned us route...
 
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candycanes99 said:
So because he's not scoring 50 points we're just as well off replacing him with a guy in the lineup that might struggle to put up 10 points? I know it'd be nice to be able to downplay this loss just because Charlie wasn't fulfilling the lofty expectations many had of him, but be realistic here. You and Jofa are turning into the BU debbie downer duo again.
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Again, nobody's saying the team is better off without him. That designation is reserved for players like John Sabo. What I am saying is given what he was actually producing, not what he hypothetically would have put up in later years, he's not a big loss and it will have little impact on how the team would have finished with him vs without him. First, a guy putting up 10 points in his place wouldn't be that far off of Coyle's pace this year (13 points at the break). Second, to qualify as a "huge loss" shouldn't the guy be putting up big numbers (as a forward)? If every 20 point scorer is a "huge loss" what happens if we lose a 40 or 50 point scorer early. We're going to run out of adjectives (cataclysmic loss, apocalyptic loss, what?).

If there's one thing that bothers me above all else out of my fellow fans its the deflation of standards for what is considered good hockey around here when a recruit doesn't pan out. How about calling it as we see it. Nothing Coyle did tells me he was going to be anything but a 20 point, barely if even 10 goal a year scorer. What exactly are we giving up here?
 
J.D. said:
I will be very, very interested in hearing what Parker has to say about this. Whether he puts it out there that it was academics/Coyle would have been ineligible anyway or if he takes the Coyle abandoned us route...
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I hope nothing. I was uncomfortable hearing all the "he had an alcohol problem" crap. This was kinda like a firing, and I know if I fire someone I can't blurt out why (last job we fire a guy in our Toronto office and nobody knew why.... I found out because I was up there working and during lunch was eating at a bar watching news and his fce appeared. He was deported to Scotland on some Internet underage sex thing). Point being, you can't share this ****!!! Especially out in the open. Academic records are certainly not allowed to be shared. So jack better just excuse himself from any questions and have some soup. We all know CC flunked out, f him. His weaselly escape from town should leave him dead to us. "Charlie who?". Rover won't miss him ;)

(god I hate typing all this on my phone... Ugh)
 
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quiddlet said:
ALRIGHT

If anybody has anything else to tell us... out with it, now.
...
Cisse not actually an awesome name?

I want to know. Now please.
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On paper, pretty awesome.
But the pronunciation... Siss-Say... and the long curly hair. :eek:



;) :D
 
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mookie1995 said:
I hope nothing. I was uncomfortable hearing all the "he had an alcohol problem" crap. This was kinda like a firing, and I know if I fire someone I can't blurt out why (last job we fire a guy in our Toronto office and nobody knew why.... I found out because I was up there working and during lunch was eating at a bar watching news and his fce appeared. He was deported to Scotland on some Internet underage sex thing). Point being, you can't share this ****!!! Especially out in the open. Academic records are certainly not allowed to be shared. So jack better just excuse himself from any questions and have some soup. We all know CC flunked out, f him. His weaselly escape from town should leave him dead to us. "Charlie who?". Rover won't miss him ;)

(god I hate typing all this on my phone... Ugh)
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With respect to Trivino, it was going to come out that he got arrested, there was no way around that. As far as the alcohol problem, I suppose he could've gone easier in the media, but public opinion these days with the Penn State and Syracuse stories, sways to everything being on the up and up and revealing all information. Not that those two stories are in the same category as Trivino, but I can see where all coaches now are going to be overly cautious about making sure nothing is hidden under wraps. It's probably true that in the process of accomplishing this, Parker ended up revealing too much information, some of it being personal and sensitive information that didn't need to be released.
 
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Parker can't say he would have been academically ineligible? You see that exact phrase constantly come up in hoops/football.
 
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J.D. said:
Parker can't say he would have been academically ineligible? You see that exact phrase constantly come up in hoops/football.
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Maybe? At this point, the team is already in such a terrible situation it almost doesn't matter what he says.
 
J.D. said:
Parker can't say he would have been academically ineligible? You see that exact phrase constantly come up in hoops/football.
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Sure. But did he stop with "trivino was arrested on a charge of attempted rape and some nighttime b&e. Reports include that he was drunk. I told him in September that if he had any alcohol related event going forward he would be removed from the team. He was removed this morning."

No "another incident". No "I told him he had a problem". How I presented it was factual and middle of the road.

If he starts with "academic" how long until retard comes out? ;)
 
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Rover said:
Again, nobody's saying the team is better off without him. That designation is reserved for players like John Sabo. What I am saying is given what he was actually producing, not what he hypothetically would have put up in later years, he's not a big loss and it will have little impact on how the team would have finished with him vs without him. First, a guy putting up 10 points in his place wouldn't be that far off of Coyle's pace this year (13 points at the break). Second, to qualify as a "huge loss" shouldn't the guy be putting up big numbers (as a forward)? If every 20 point scorer is a "huge loss" what happens if we lose a 40 or 50 point scorer early. We're going to run out of adjectives (cataclysmic loss, apocalyptic loss, what?).

If there's one thing that bothers me above all else out of my fellow fans its the deflation of standards for what is considered good hockey around here when a recruit doesn't pan out. How about calling it as we see it. Nothing Coyle did tells me he was going to be anything but a 20 point, barely if even 10 goal a year scorer. What exactly are we giving up here?
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seeing that he is a 92 birthyear(Merrimack haS 7+ 90 BIRTHYEAR FRESHMAN) AND HIS upside over next 2 1/2 seasons was huge. He is an 18/19 year old sophmore. getting better every dau

Brock Bradford went from 18-45 points
J Hayes 13-36
B Smith, 19-50-37
C Atkinson 19-52 from fresh to jr year
Kreider went from 23 points in 40 games to 23 pts so far in 18 games

a fool would think coyle has stagnated
 
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Rover said:
Again, nobody's saying the team is better off without him. That designation is reserved for players like John Sabo. What I am saying is given what he was actually producing, not what he hypothetically would have put up in later years, he's not a big loss and it will have little impact on how the team would have finished with him vs without him.
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Fair enough. I saw this as being his last season no matter what; whether the NHL teams need them or not, they drag their 1st round picks out of NCAA after two years max generally anymore. Not all the time, but probably in this case. I wouldn't absolve the Wild of having a place in this decision either.

Coyle's 14 points in 16 games is not an awful pace. No, it's not elite stuff, but it's a top 6 forward, and difficult to replace halfway through a season. When we lose a 50 pt guy like Colin Wilson early but at the end of a season, we have more options in bringing in recruits a year early potentially. Except for rare cases, that doesn't happen at winter break. It's a blow.
 
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