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Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

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J.D. said:
No, not exactly. I'm being completely serious in asking if you know what top six forward means? You cannot deny Coyle was a top six for this BU team just because you weren't impressed with what he's showed. How is Connolly any better than Coyle when he hasn't even scored one goal this year? You think you can just replace Coyle with Hohmann/Rodrigues and all is well?

You cannot say losing Coyle won't hurt the team. I just don't understand that.
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Understand this. He hasnt been a productive player for the team, promising skill or not, not sure what you are seeing. He has lit the lamp 6 times since 11/6/10. Thats not a typo thats a stretch of almost 14 months. That is anemic by any standard in any league at any level. I dont care how good he looks on his skates , he was a bust. Anyone he is replaced with can score 6 goals over the next 14 months.
 
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= Coyle is just there. Unless he takes a penalty you can go the whole game without knowing he was on the ice.
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When Calvin Coolidge died someone asked "how can you tell?". When Coyle is gone you can ask the same question. He not only was a dog, he had fleas.
 
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Jofa said:
Understand this. He hasnt been a productive player for the team, promising skill or not, not sure what you are seeing. He has lit the lamp 6 times since 11/6/10. Thats not a typo almost 14 months ago. That is anemic by any standard in any league at any level. I dont care how good he looks on his skates , he was a bust. Anyone he is replaced with can score 6 goals over the next 14 months.
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False.. No matter what he has done, they are not a better team without him. No one who takes his spot will make BU better this year or next, no one on this team and no one coming in
 
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Hokydad said:
False.. No matter what he has done, they are not a better team without him. No one who takes his spot will make BU better this year or next, no one on this team and no one coming in
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No they will be the same team with or without.
 
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Jofa said:
When Calvin Coolidge died someone asked "how can you tell?". When Coyle is gone you can ask the same question. He not only was a dog, he had fleas.
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holy smokes...

+7 on ice, excellent on draws, won 1on1 battles, used size to advantage. just because he wasn't lighting the lamp to your liking doesn't mean he was a dog with fleas.

oh, and lest we forget he was HE rookie of the year and arguably team USA's best forward at the WJC last year. but sure
 
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Is there really anything concrete to all of these Coyle rumors? Sounds to me like anyone who would know is either saying nothing or denying it.
Just sayin...
 
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Rover said:
Sorry, but his loss is negligible. As Jofa asked, do you watch any of the games? Connolly is a great set-up man, the best passer on the team IMHO. Coyle is just there. Unless he takes a penalty you can go the whole game without knowing he was on the ice. I will directly deny that he was an important part of this team. He clearly was not, and his departure will have little impact on how BU's season would have ended up. As I said before, Nicastro has talent, but as he hasn't utilized it much if he left the team it wouldn't be a big loss. It seems like you're going off of Coyle's potential which hasn't come close to being realized as happens far too often with BU recruits.
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Jofa said:
Understand this. He hasnt been a productive player for the team, promising skill or not, not sure what you are seeing. He has lit the lamp 6 times since 11/6/10. Thats not a typo thats a stretch of almost 14 months. That is anemic by any standard in any league at any level. I dont care how good he looks on his skates , he was a bust. Anyone he is replaced with can score 6 goals over the next 14 months.
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Hokydad said:
False.. No matter what he has done, they are not a better team without him. No one who takes his spot will make BU better this year or next, no one on this team and no one coming in
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Jofa said:
No they will be the same team with or without.
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Well, this will be pretty much be clear cut by the end of the season. Guess we'll have to wait and see. My whole point is the people who can possibly move up to take Coyle's place are not better players than he is no matter how flawed you guys think Coyle is. So, I'm in agreement with hokydad. It's just funny you'll give credit to Connolly for being a great setup man, yet bum Coyle has more points, actually knows what scoring a goal feels like, and only has two fewer assists. Definitely not going off his potential...simply going off the fact BU doesn't have better options. FWIW, neither Coyle nor Connolly scare me.

Jofa, I'm not talking about next year. Let's focus on the remainder of this season. We'll see if BU proves to be a better team than they are now, remain the same, or take a step back (but i know, then it will only be because Trivino is gone).
 
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Hokydad said:
False.. No matter what he has done, they are not a better team without him. No one who takes his spot will make BU better this year or next, no one on this team and no one coming in
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You're arguing two different things. Nobody's saying the team is better off without him or one of the other forwards will step in and put up more points. What I am saying is its not hard to replicate his mediocre production. Jofa's point is solid. 6 goals in 14 months. What I'm getting sick of as a BU fan is people thinking a guy who projects to score 8 goals and 20 points in a season is some sort of irreplacable world beater. These guys are a dime a dozen and on a top team populate your 3rd line if they're lucky. If a guy with that kind of production will be missed it says more about the team than it does about that one player.

Trivino on the other hand, I believe 6th in the country in goal scoring, is going to be sorely missed.
 
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What hurts is you now have to move people up... 4th liner to 3rd. 3rd liner to 2nd. Whether they will be better than what Charlie was giving is moot- they are creating holes on the back lines where people who couldn't beat them out for playing time are now playing, and even though they couldn't beat out Charlie for top two line time, they are getting it now.
 
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J.D. said:
Well, this will be pretty much be clear cut by the end of the season. Guess we'll have to wait and see. My whole point is the people who can possibly move up to take Coyle's place are not better players than he is no matter how flawed you guys think Coyle is. So, I'm in agreement with hokydad. It's just funny you'll give credit to Connolly for being a great setup man, yet bum Coyle has more points, actually knows what scoring a goal feels like, and only has two fewer assists. Definitely not going off his potential...simply going off the fact BU doesn't have better options. FWIW, neither Coyle nor Connolly scare me.

Jofa, I'm not talking about next year. Let's focus on the remainder of this season. We'll see if BU proves to be a better team than they are now, remain the same, or take a step back (but i know, then it will only be because Trivino is gone).
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The team "issues with parker" will probably be the biggest reason for the inevitable of collapse.
 
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mookie1995 said:
What hurts is you now have to move people up... 4th liner to 3rd. 3rd liner to 2nd. Whether they will be better than what Charlie was giving is moot- they are creating holes on the back lines where people who couldn't beat them out for playing time are now playing, and even though they couldn't beat out Charlie for top two line time, they are getting it now.
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Hopefully someone will step up their game losing 2 forwards on the depth chart hurts but only if no one steps up their game. They'll miss Trivino no doubt.
 
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J.D. said:
Let's focus on the remainder of this season. We'll see if BU proves to be a better team than they are now, remain the same, or take a step back (but i know, then it will only be because Trivino is gone).
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On paper at least, it is going to be pretty hard to say that they will be a better team without Trivino and Coyle. (Not saying the whole team can't continue to improve via playing together in a system etc etc) but talentwise down the line the team is worse off for sure.

Along the lines of Mookies point, even if the difference between the 2nd and 3rd line center is not that much, what about the 4th line to 3rd line, or even worse, the guy who never dressed to the 4th line, or a guy who should be on the wing, now playing center.

All that being said, I think this can still be a fun competitive team to watch.

Of course I'm still waiting for Hoky's forecast of bad things happening in 3's. (unless that was a reference to Coyle's wearing #3)
 
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The Pipeline Show @ThePipelineShow 8m Details
I just spoke with Charlie Coyle at the airport in Edmonton and can confirm his moving to Saint John in the #QMJHL audio on TPS tomorrow.

Seems like that's it. Should be a very interesting second half.
 
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20 points, 30 points, who cares. eevry hockey east coach is happy he is gone,except JP
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Second, academic reports are untrue from what I hear
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Oh, really? EXTREMELY interesting entries from the Twin Cities Star Tribune:

"Coyle is leaving because he will be ineligible due to academic reasons. He's basically failing out of the program. Why isn't this reported? It is being reported on the east coast."

"why is coyle failing is it due to him not being smart ? or is it because he just doesn't care about academics and only focuses on hockey? either way it doesn't show that great of character but i feel like it will all end up well. <b><i>He shouldnt have ever have gone to college to play if he wasnt interested in an education and gone to jrs like most canadians do</i></b>, but super excited to see him on the sea dogs!"

I realize it's not yet confirmed, but this harkens back to my point earlier about recruiting guys who WANT to go to college (and specifically BU). Seems to me that if it were NOT for academic reasons it's a really dumb decision, because he is CERTAINLY not ready for pro hockey based on his performance against the competition in Division I. This leads me to believe that it is, in fact, true. Not sure why the "academic reports are untrue" comment...
 
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