Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

[Slasher7]

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Looking at what the BU teams have done with their players both before and after the classes of '03 an '04, I would say this claim has absolutely no merit.

One Frozen Four this decade, Limey. That's as many as RIT and Vermont and one less than UNH. They bring in top recruits every year and this is what they have to show for it? Take off the fanboy paint and realize that Parker doesn't develop his players as well as you think. They arrive at BU as top players in their age group. For the most part, they maintain at that level they started at.

 

[slurpees]

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I always look to guys leaving after their junior year because teams don't want to risk them becoming free agents if they don't want to sign after a senior season. Obviously there are exceptions depending on how good you are and where you were drafted...

That's why it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Warsofsky and Trivino gone. Sure, Trivino hasn't lived up to expectations, but the Islanders (I think) might be thinking that he's made some improvement this year at BU, let's see if he can do anything at the pro level before we potentially lose him for nothing.

If I were a betting man, I'd expect both Coyle and Chiasson back next year.

I get the contract thing, but this is the first year (knock on wood) that Trivino has stayed healthy for the entire season, so there's the recurring injury factor. And also, he hasn't really proven to be more than just an average to good college player. I definitely think he's improved this year, but has zero shot at the NHL right now, and I'm not sure he'd be able to compete at the AHL level yet.

 

[Redd10]

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I always look to guys leaving after their junior year because teams don't want to risk them becoming free agents if they don't want to sign after a senior season. Obviously there are exceptions depending on how good you are and where you were drafted...

That's why it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Warsofsky and Trivino gone. Sure, Trivino hasn't lived up to expectations, but the Islanders (I think) might be thinking that he's made some improvement this year at BU, let's see if he can do anything at the pro level before we potentially lose him for nothing.

If I were a betting man, I'd expect both Coyle and Chiasson back next year.

i'd bet my house that trivino isn't going anywhere until after his senior season. Warsofsky is probably gone after this year, but I definitely think Coyle and Chiasson are here for another year, no doubt. Same with kieran - i highly doubt the avalanche come calling (even though he's shown spots of brilliance this year)

 

[slurpees]

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One Frozen Four this decade, Limey. That's as many as RIT and Vermont and one less than UNH. They bring in top recruits every year and this is what they have to show for it? Take off the fanboy paint and realize that Parker doesn't develop his players as well as you think. They arrive at BU as top players in their age group. For the most part, they maintain at that level they started at.

Or it could be because you're basing your claim entirely off of recruiting rankings, etc. which are notoriously inaccurate in every sport, and backing it up with one arbitrary statistic, FF's made. Your claim about Cronin is even more ridiculous.

 

[Tater]

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One thing is for sure, Parker will not retire until York does and then he'll stick around to pass Jerry for most wins. York is just about a full season ahead now and if York retires in, say, three years, I can completely see Parker lingering for 5 more to get that record (ego).

Let's hope he doesn't stick around long enough to pass York in losses!

 

[claver2010]

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He's got skills and good hands, but lazy, lazy feet.

whoah whoah whoah family board here

 

[Friend_of_BU_Hockey]

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Hynes is an interesting name I haven't seen thrown around much. He's young (35), but he certainly has plenty of experience. Assistant at UML and Wisconsin, head coach in the USNTDP for six years and now head coach for the Pens' AHL team. I'd have to think he has a ton of recruiting connections from his time in Ann Arbor, including the obvious connection to the program itself. The question with him, and also with Quinn and Sullivan, is if he'd be willing to come to BU when there's a chance of an NHL team calling in the not so distant future.

It's interesting that Amonte, McEachern and Young all became prep school head coaches this season. Certainly becoming a college assistant could be the next step from there.

Hynes was offered the chance to replace Quinn. Powers was not the first choice.

http://ushr.com/news/20090701



7/3/09

BU Powers Up

Boston University will name former Terrier forward – and longtime college coach – Buddy Powers as an assistant coach.

Eleven-year assistant Mike Bavis has been promoted to associate head coach.

Powers, a 57-year-old native of Hyde Park, Mass., played his high school hockey at Catholic Memorial before going on to BU, graduating in 1975. After playing briefly in Europe, Powers became a volunteer assistant for BU’s JV team in ’78-79. In 1980, Powers was hired as an assistant at Colgate, staying two years before heading a little farther west and joining Jerry York’s staff at Bowling Green for the next six seasons. Powers was on the Bowling Green staff when, in March 1984, the Falcons came into Walter Brown Arena and KO’d the Terriers in the NCAA quarterfinals; Bowling Green went on to win its only NCAA championship that year, beating Minnesota-Duluth, 5-4 (4 OTs). In 1988, Powers took over at RIT as head coach, but only stayed one year before being hired as head coach at RPI, where he took over from Mike Addesa. Powers staying in Troy for five seasons, posting a 94-63-13 record. Then, when York moved to Boston College, Powers took over the head job at Bowling Green, where he stayed until 2002, compiling a 135-149-26 record in eight years. In 2002-03, Powers served as a volunteer with the NTDP, commuting to Ann Arbor from Ohio. In the spring of 2003, Powers was hired as hockey/golf coach at Wesleyan, but, before coaching a single game, decided that gig was not going to be his cup of tea. Instead, he headed back to Bowling Green, where in recent years he has been the arena director at Bowling Green while also providing color commentary on local Bowling Green hockey telecasts.

Powers has a wealth of experience, numerous contacts, and, on top of that, is an alum. Expect him to be energized by being back in the Boston area, where his roots are. Having been away from coaching for five years, however, means Powers will need time to get up to speed on the current player pool.


7/2/09

Hynes Staying Put
The search to fill the vacancy created on the Boston University staff by David Quinn’s departure for the AHL has been a quiet one.

Much of the speculation at the Select 16 Festival revolved around whether former BU winger John Hynes would accept his alma mater’s offer to return. Informed sources, however, today reported that Hynes, after talking with Jack Parker and Mike Bavis -- and mulling things over for a while -- has decided to stay with the National Team Development Program.

 

[Slasher7]

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Or it could be because you're basing your claim entirely off of recruiting rankings, etc. which are notoriously inaccurate in every sport, and backing it up with one arbitrary statistic, FF's made. Your claim about Cronin is even more ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Cronin gets the guys who can't get into BC or BU and keeps them competitive. The NU team I saw the other night looked just as fast and aggressive as the BU team I've seen this year. BU fell in love with that USNPDT team for a while and for the most part, the players were busts. Sabo, Maiser, McConnell, Miller all underachieved in my opinion and never got better. Ryan Whitney was the exception but he was NHL ready out of high school.

 

[Slasher7]

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Let's hope he doesn't stick around long enough to pass York in losses!

Good point, I would have to see how Parker would have done if he had to start a program from scratch. York took over 3 programs (Clarkson, Bowling Green and BC) when they were all at the bottom and got two of them to national crowns.

 

[Slasher7]

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i'd bet my house that trivino isn't going anywhere until after his senior season. Warsofsky is probably gone after this year, but I definitely think Coyle and Chiasson are here for another year, no doubt. Same with kieran - i highly doubt the avalanche come calling (even though he's shown spots of brilliance this year)

Dont bet the house on Coyle. I'd be surprised if he returned. Very surprised.

 

[slurpees]

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How is it ridiculous? Cronin gets the guys who can't get into BC or BU and keeps them competitive. The NU team I saw the other night looked just as fast and aggressive as the BU team I've seen this year. BU fell in love with that USNPDT team for a while and for the most part, the players were busts. Sabo, Maiser, McConnell, Miller all underachieved in my opinion and never got better. Ryan Whitney was the exception but he was NHL ready out of high school.

So because he takes middle of the road recruits and turns them into a middle of the road team consistently, he's good?

 

[J.D.]

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Or it could be because you're basing your claim entirely off of recruiting rankings, etc. which are notoriously inaccurate in every sport, and backing it up with one arbitrary statistic, FF's made. Your claim about Cronin is even more ridiculous.

I wouldn't say notoriously inaccurate. Not perfect, but are generally on target. Again though, there needs to be a distinction between developing individual talent vs. developing teams.

Let's hope he doesn't stick around long enough to pass York in losses!

Another reason I wonder what history would look like if York was at BC for 38 years.

 

[Redd10]

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Dont bet the house on Coyle. I'd be surprised if he returned. Very surprised.

really? he's looked good, but not as good as a kid who's ready to jump ship. i think he stays definitely for one more year, he isn't putting up the kind of numbers he'd need to be in order to jump. look at wilson, he put up 35 points in his freshman year (probably more than Coyle will end up getting) and he stuck around.

How is it ridiculous? Cronin gets the guys who can't get into BC or BU and keeps them competitive. The NU team I saw the other night looked just as fast and aggressive as the BU team I've seen this year. BU fell in love with that USNPDT team for a while and for the most part, the players were busts. Sabo, Maiser, McConnell, Miller all underachieved in my opinion and never got better. Ryan Whitney was the exception but he was NHL ready out of high school.

how about shattenkirk, who's now in the running for rookie of the year? or wilson, who's been a solid second line player for the predators? both usnpdt guys

 

[Terrier520]

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I think there are some very very salient points, and yes, 3 of the past 6 years have been very disappointing no matter how you measure it (I'll go by NCAA tournament entry, because that is a season-long statistic). But to put the FF as the metric on which to base teachers? I think that completely removes the surprise of the tournament. In 05, BU AND BC lost to the same FF team; in 06, it was a blowout between two very close teams (and BU having beaten BC the prior 4 matchups, I believe). 07, a loss (yes, in first round) to the eventual national champions.

Another point about the Cronin comparison. Yes, I know that NU is on a hot streak, but remember, they're not in a home-ice position, and they're not going to get an at-large bid. They're sorta like the 07-08 BU team that needs to win HE to get in. It's unlikely. NU is still a middle-of-the road program.

I understand that BU is in a tough position, and some of the remarks about Parker may be spot on. However, I don't feel that the sky is falling for BU hockey.

 

[Slasher7]

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So because he takes middle of the road recruits and turns them into a middle of the road team consistently, he's good?

He takes middle of the road recruits and turns them into professional players. This current group (the young kids) have grown tremendously.

 

[Slasher7]

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really? he's looked good, but not as good as a kid who's ready to jump ship. i think he stays definitely for one more year, he isn't putting up the kind of numbers he'd need to be in order to jump. look at wilson, he put up 35 points in his freshman year (probably more than Coyle will end up getting) and he stuck around.



how about shattenkirk, who's now in the running for rookie of the year? or wilson, who's been a solid second line player for the predators? both usnpdt guys

Shattenkirk was a high draft pick and played in the USNDPT. Wilson was a first round NHL pick when he arrived. Both were great players when they arrived and moved on. I'm not sure Parker can claim credit for developing them anymore than York can take credit for "developing" Kobasew or Kreider.

Regarding Coyle, not to be all "hokydad" here, but someone close to him told me recently he was planning on going at the end of the season. I agree he should stay put but who knows what is in a kid's head nowadays.

 

[Redd10]

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Shattenkirk was a high draft pick and played in the USNDPT. Wilson was a first round NHL pick when he arrived. Both were great players when they arrived and moved on. I'm not sure Parker can claim credit for developing them anymore than York can take credit for "developing" Kobasew or Kreider.

Regarding Coyle, not to be all "hokydad" here, but someone close to him told me recently he was planning on going at the end of the season. I agree he should stay put but who knows what is in a kid's head nowadays.

i agree, i was just saying that they didn't turn out to be busts at all. regarding coyle, I absolutely admit it's possible but I had heard he was staying for another year (as his cousin Amonte did). not to be all hokydad either, just saying

 

[pirate]

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i'd bet my house that trivino isn't going anywhere until after his senior season. Warsofsky is probably gone after this year, but I definitely think Coyle and Chiasson are here for another year, no doubt. Same with kieran - i highly doubt the avalanche come calling (even though he's shown spots of brilliance this year)

One thing is certain, we can't be certain in February regarding what will happen in April - tournament performance, injuries, coaching changes, other guys leaving and need at the next levels play a part...almost every team has at least one surprise defection, not many have surprise 'stays'...many fans will say "but he isn't ready" of "he should have stayed one more year" ... there are always a few that should have stayed and a few that should have left...take a bunch of 20-22 year olds with 100 different situations, sprinkle in some money, people whispering in ears and aspiration and the outcomes aren't easy to predict, short or long-term.

 

[limey]

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One Frozen Four this decade, Limey. That's as many as RIT and Vermont and one less than UNH. They bring in top recruits every year and this is what they have to show for it? Take off the fanboy paint and realize that Parker doesn't develop his players as well as you think. They arrive at BU as top players in their age group. For the most part, they maintain at that level they started at.

This is an absurd argument. Because they have one FF, Parker doesn't develop talent? Aside from the bust class of '03 and some of the untalented class in '04, go through and list all these high-flying recruits who never developed under Parker. The fact that you can only list players from the '03 class suggests to me that you haven't even been paying much attention since then, which explains your utterly unsupportable argument.

The stupidity of your argument is highlighted by the fact that you felt the need to get "UNH, RIT and Vermont" jabs into the statement, which has nothing to do with anything.

 

[BUTerrierfan]

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Losing Trivino would be a shock. He's got skills and good hands, but lazy, lazy feet.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Trinvino go at all. Look what the Islanders did with Okposo, they felt he would develop better in a pro setting so they pulled him VERY early from Minny. If he puts up more points at the pace he is doing now, I would think that he will be pulled out by them. Coyle most likely would be back since he has cooled off from the beginning of the season and the Worlds. Warsofsky appears to be in the mindset of "I want/gotta get out of here" as virtually everyone has noticed by his play. Chiasson will def go if he keeps loading up the goals as well. BU could easily lose three players if not four.