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Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

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The driver wasn't a player...the players(Milner and Co) fled the scene and there was numerous empty bottles/cans in the car. All I am saying is they were dumb to even be in a car while they drank because that is an easy way to get caught drinking underage. The fact that they hit the T may have been the T's fault but they shouldn't have been in that situation. Drink at parties or in your own room like every other college kid.

And I guess you are not an Oregon Ducks/Might Ducks fan or listen to Cedric Maxwell do Celtics radio games haha

As for BU...the kids aren't exactly staying in on weekends but this year and last year just seems like a lack of quality leadership. Last year's team was full of upperclassmen who didn't want to work to win coming off a title and this year we have few upperclassmen as the whole senior class is in the ahl/nhl.

Fair point, considering Bonino/Wilson/Shattenkirk/Strait/etc. would all be seniors this season. And i think you could argue that Gryba was a pretty good leader last season
 
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Quite an indictment on guys like Pereira, Connolly and Warsofsky as I thought people on here were saying they are good leaders. BTW, I'm not even talking about this year specifically. BTW, I'm not even talking about this year specifically, just in general.

Anyway, no guarantee on early departures this off-season, but I would fully expect BU to be back in the tourney next year. If not, then I'd really be worried.


I wasn't hating on this year's leaders. I am a big fan of the captains this year. I just think there are not enough seniors on this team to stay cool in pressure spots at times. They have never given up on each other all year long besides the Brown and Harvard games. Besides that...they have come from behind time and time again. I would be shocked if they didn't come out flying this weekend and take care of business against Providence
 
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Based on what I've seen, what I've heard from players and what I've heard from Parker, this year's captains (and other leaders) have done a much better job than last year's. There's no doubt that last year's team struggled with the championship hangover all year, and the captains certainly weren't exempt from that. Some of the upperclassmen had the NHL looming on the horizon, and I think the combination of looking back on the title and looking ahead to the NHL resulted in them not being focused enough on the here and now. Having been around that team as much as I was, I'm honestly not sure what Parker could've done differently. He tried pretty much everything to get the ship righted and it just seemed like none of it sunk in. You could say that's evidence of him not being able to connect with players any more, but I think it was more that guys just didn't care enough to let it sink in. Shattenkirk even admitted after the season that he could've been a much better captain. As Parker put it at one point, their "give-a-**** lever" was way down.

This year's team is completely different. Connolly and Pereira aren't looking behind them or ahead of them. Their effort and focus are always there, and I think because of that, most of the younger guys' effort and focus are usually there. I think some of the underclassmen have certainly been inconsistent at times, but I can't think of too many players who were consistently very good as freshmen. I do think this team's struggles are mostly because of its youth. That's not a knock on any of the freshmen, just a statement of fact. They're a young team that's still learning as it goes. Obviously none of this excuses the losses to Brown and Harvard, but stinkers happen. No sense dwelling on them.

I think next year's team will be very good and will be back to the level BU fans expect it to be at. I don't anticipate there being more than one early departure, and obviously Connolly will be back as captain, so there shouldn't be any dropoff in leadership.
 
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I don't know what you expect Parker to do when he recruits? Don't draft guys with NHL potential? It is not just BU where the kids goof around. You are naive if you think that. We all forget about a few BC kids drinking in a car that crashed into the green line last spring so quickly. I think that is worse than anything any BU player has done recently.

I know it was covered briefly but that is such a horrible example. College kids party, it happens. They should have stayed but they were not at fault and it was not an embarrassment for the team. As much as the media made it out to be. What is an embarrassment is when BU players throw parties when they should not, or just do not show up for mentally for games or practices. There have been far more incidents like this at BU than at BC and it's troubling.

This year's team has definitely done better in terms of coming together. There have been many mores games where they come from behind or grind out a win. Might not be pretty, but they get it done and it says a lot. However, I would think by this point all those gritty wins would have given them some momentum, some purpose, some fire to come out like real pros in games. Instead, they still put up stinkers and half hearted efforts against teams they should beat.

Every game from now on should be like a Beanpot...it might be harder for them to realize since there is no immediate satisfaction like winning a tournament. But these wins count towards a larger goal of getting into the HE playoffs and NCAA's. The Terriers can not seem to grasp that and see games against weaker opponents as we'll probably win anyways and if we don't, no big deal. But it's a huge deal now that it's the end of the season and especially since BU has not had as much luck against top ranked opponents lately.
 
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Fair point, considering Bonino/Wilson/Shattenkirk/Strait/etc. would all be seniors this season. And i think you could argue that Gryba was a pretty good leader last season

Strait would not have been at BU this season. He was in the class of 2010.
 
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The past six years with the exception of Gilroy and MacArthur, I have never heard too much about the captains having huge positive influences. I'm not sure how the captains were for 2004 and before.

Conventional wisdom is that Van der Gulik and Zancanaro were excellent captains of the 2005-6 team.
 
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I know it was covered briefly but that is such a horrible example. College kids party, it happens. They should have stayed but they were not at fault and it was not an embarrassment for the team. As much as the media made it out to be. What is an embarrassment is when BU players throw parties when they should not, or just do not show up for mentally for games or practices. There have been far more incidents like this at BU than at BC and it's troubling.

I still think your premise here is flawed. Not 12 hours ago you wrote that this was based purely on your "feeling" which you admit that was based purely without "specific reasons." Now you're arguing that "there have been far more incidents like this at BU." I just don't think you have any facts to back this up other than your subjective and unfounded belief.

Both BU and BC (and just about every other program) have had their problems with players outside the rink, some more serious than others. I don't believe there is any reason to believe that it is more prevelent at BU than anywhere else.

Moreover, it wasn't a few days ago when people were complaining that Parker was losing too many younger kids due to internal issues (e.g., Glass, Bartlett, Bennett) where a player is removed from the team for disciplinary reasons or academic ones (Bourque, etc..). Now the issue is that he fails to discipline and focus the kids enough? These are pretty much contrary positions.
 
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85/15 it has to do with bc. no doubt.

the decade of the 90s, we won one title. lost finals versus lake, northern, sioux. losing that last game blows. but it's rather tough in that one-and-done format.

now these last 10 yrs that we're complaining about, one title, no other frozen fours. and the next to best team after 09, the 06 team that ended the regular season #1 and lost the regional final.... to whom?!?!?

yeah, it might be 90/10.

and two months from now, as i typed before, they will repeat and we won't even have that in our pocket by ourselves.

ok, maybe 95/5

BU took full advantage in the 90's when BC was down, which is a credit to them. BC was in the FF (as was BU) in 1990, but Ceglarski left, Milbury/Cedorchuk fiasco, etc killed BC for about six years until Jerry righted the ship. Since then, Parker has had to deal with York and I think BU is surprised the new building hasn't pushed them over the top like they thought.

One thing is for sure, Parker will not retire until York does and then he'll stick around to pass Jerry for most wins. York is just about a full season ahead now and if York retires in, say, three years, I can completely see Parker lingering for 5 more to get that record (ego).
 
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How many coaches are better at developing players than Parker?

I think several are. As a matter of fact, I think Parker ruins talented forwards and turns them into grinders. Look at the 'cant miss' guys BU has had that flat out missed (Sabo, Maiser, McConnell, etc). They always get top recruits, but for some reason, most do not get better. I think Cronin is better at developing players than Parker is now.
 
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I think next year's team will be very good and will be back to the level BU fans expect it to be at. I don't anticipate there being more than one early departure, and obviously Connolly will be back as captain, so there shouldn't be any dropoff in leadership.

FL - Do you have a hunch about one player in particular or just think #5 or #3 may go? Coyle has looked slow, tired and sloppy since the USA tourney and doesn't look ready at all to me. Warso might be ready, but hasn't shown it lately, at all.

I'd like to see both guys back.
 
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We all forget about a few BC kids drinking in a car that crashed into the green line last spring so quickly. I think that is worse than anything any BU player has done recently.

Are you saying this is worse than drinking before the HE semis with their season on the line? Of if you want to go back further, is it worse than John Sabo kicking someone's head in outside a bar (and not even getting suspended?). I would be careful playing that card, chief. BU has a long list of items like what happened to the BC kids (none of whom were driving that night)
 
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Based on what I've seen, what I've heard from players and what I've heard from Parker, this year's captains (and other leaders) have done a much better job than last year's. There's no doubt that last year's team struggled with the championship hangover all year, and the captains certainly weren't exempt from that. Some of the upperclassmen had the NHL looming on the horizon, and I think the combination of looking back on the title and looking ahead to the NHL resulted in them not being focused enough on the here and now. Having been around that team as much as I was, I'm honestly not sure what Parker could've done differently. He tried pretty much everything to get the ship righted and it just seemed like none of it sunk in. You could say that's evidence of him not being able to connect with players any more, but I think it was more that guys just didn't care enough to let it sink in. Shattenkirk even admitted after the season that he could've been a much better captain. As Parker put it at one point, their "give-a-**** lever" was way down.

This year's team is completely different. Connolly and Pereira aren't looking behind them or ahead of them. Their effort and focus are always there, and I think because of that, most of the younger guys' effort and focus are usually there. I think some of the underclassmen have certainly been inconsistent at times, but I can't think of too many players who were consistently very good as freshmen. I do think this team's struggles are mostly because of its youth. That's not a knock on any of the freshmen, just a statement of fact. They're a young team that's still learning as it goes. Obviously none of this excuses the losses to Brown and Harvard, but stinkers happen. No sense dwelling on them.

I think next year's team will be very good and will be back to the level BU fans expect it to be at. I don't anticipate there being more than one early departure, and obviously Connolly will be back as captain, so there shouldn't be any dropoff in leadership.

At the end of the day, be it a coach or a manager, you are ultimately responsible for whatever the result may be. When you have 100% control over who gets recruited, who gets signed, who stays and goes etc. then anything that happens stops at one desk.

If the captains are not leaders there are a few things that come to mind: who recruited them, why does the team or staff think they should be captains, what has he done to set expectations for them, how often do they meet with the coach in a small group; the idea of having multiple captains makes sense only if there are multiple qualified candidates.

In 38 years one should develop the capability to sniff out and avoid certain problems...maybe one of Parker's strengths was managing the hard-nosed southie guys and when we started going to national development players etc. (which is necessary in my mind) he doesn't have the same understanding of what shoes they have walked in and what shoes they hope to walk in. It is possible the 'you'd be painting bridges' type mentality from the 70-80's doesn't apply to a kid who grew up in New Jersey or LA and has played on an elite travel team since he was 7.

A team can afford some issues with its head coach's ability to relate to the players if the assistants are really strong in that area. If the assistants aren't getting it done then the HC better be firing on all cylinders all the time

The job description doesn't say win only when nothing goes against you and the real measure of a coach isn't winning when you have the best squad, it is also winning when you don't have all the studs.

And I can tell you I'd never go into anybody's office and tell them "gee the staff I hired and lead just doesn't seem to care"...it would be easier to replace me than the whole staff and if the whole staff did need to go then, since I hired them, I'd still be the first head to roll.

Personal accountability is one of the simplest, yet challenging, things to accomplish.
 
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I wasn't hating on this year's leaders. I am a big fan of the captains this year.

I'm stunned! :D:p

Both BU and BC (and just about every other program) have had their problems with players outside the rink, some more serious than others. I don't believe there is any reason to believe that it is more prevelent at BU than anywhere else.

I'll say this, it's certainly been more prevalent at UND!

FL - Do you have a hunch about one player in particular or just think #5 or #3 may go? Coyle has looked slow, tired and sloppy since the USA tourney and doesn't look ready at all to me. Warso might be ready, but hasn't shown it lately, at all.

I'd like to see both guys back.

Ha, as you should. I personally don't see why San Jose would be in such a rush to sign Coyle. I have no sources, but just going off of what's happened in the past, I would expect Coyle to return next year and leave after two, like Wilson.

Warsofsky is the interesting one. Again, no sources, but I think the Bruins will make a push to sign him. Ultimately, as much as he loves BU, I think he's gone.
 
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maybe one of Parker's strengths was managing the hard-nosed southie guys and when we started going to national development players etc. (which is necessary in my mind) he doesn't have the same understanding of what shoes they have walked in and what shoes they hope to walk in. It is possible the 'you'd be painting bridges' type mentality from the 70-80's doesn't apply to a kid who grew up in New Jersey or LA and has played on an elite travel team since he was 7.

Personal accountability is one of the simplest, yet challenging, things to accomplish.

That is one very interesting post, pirate. You may be on to something there.

I usually dwell a lot of the national team players in these types of conversations. I see Jerry York really pick carefully from this group of kids. And generally, he goes after the guys that have great character and a lot of them turn out to be tremendous character guys for this program. Take Brennan for example. Just a tremendous character guy. BUT... generally speaking, I think a lot of national development kids are primadonnas that have such big heads that they are difficult to manage. They've always been the best and have always been told how great they are and handling a much higher level of play is difficult for them... not necessarily being the best on their college team as a freshman... etc. I really believe that. Obviously that is painting with a broad brush and that's a view far away from Ann Arbor but it would seem there's a good amount of truth in it as well.

The Dalai Lama says, "When you encounter some problems, if you point your finger at yourself and not at others, this gives you control over yourself and calmness in a situation, where otherwise self-control becomes problematic."

Jack needs to hit up Borders before they file for Chapter 11 and read up on the Dalai Lama. :D

edit - Wedding Crashers quotes would be funny if I didn't already type this preemptive strike.
 
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I see the Terriers stayed an extra night at the Garden and donned the Black and Gold.

BU/Bruins Hockey: Deja Vu All Over Again
 
One thing is for sure, Parker will not retire until York does and then he'll stick around to pass Jerry for most wins. York is just about a full season ahead now and if York retires in, say, three years, I can completely see Parker lingering for 5 more to get that record (ego).

I believe this to be true, deep in my bones---and it scares me to death. (I just don't like to say it)
 
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FL - Do you have a hunch about one player in particular or just think #5 or #3 may go? Coyle has looked slow, tired and sloppy since the USA tourney and doesn't look ready at all to me. Warso might be ready, but hasn't shown it lately, at all.

I'd like to see both guys back.

Parker has told us he expects to lose at least one early departure. Earlier in the season, he said he expected Warsofsky to leave after the season, so I'd say he's the most likely. Obviously you're right about his play lately, but we'll see what happens. If he continues to struggle, there's a good chance the B's won't push for him. If he turns it around, they probably do. I wouldn't expect Coyle to leave, but I guess it's at least a possibility. I think Chiasson would be a more likely candidate to leave after this season if Dallas makes a push, but he pretty much gushes about playing here and I know he's not in any rush to get out.

At the end of the day, be it a coach or a manager, you are ultimately responsible for whatever the result may be. When you have 100% control over who gets recruited, who gets signed, who stays and goes etc. then anything that happens stops at one desk.

If the captains are not leaders there are a few things that come to mind: who recruited them, why does the team or staff think they should be captains, what has he done to set expectations for them, how often do they meet with the coach in a small group; the idea of having multiple captains makes sense only if there are multiple qualified candidates.

In 38 years one should develop the capability to sniff out and avoid certain problems...maybe one of Parker's strengths was managing the hard-nosed southie guys and when we started going to national development players etc. (which is necessary in my mind) he doesn't have the same understanding of what shoes they have walked in and what shoes they hope to walk in. It is possible the 'you'd be painting bridges' type mentality from the 70-80's doesn't apply to a kid who grew up in New Jersey or LA and has played on an elite travel team since he was 7.

A team can afford some issues with its head coach's ability to relate to the players if the assistants are really strong in that area. If the assistants aren't getting it done then the HC better be firing on all cylinders all the time

The job description doesn't say win only when nothing goes against you and the real measure of a coach isn't winning when you have the best squad, it is also winning when you don't have all the studs.

And I can tell you I'd never go into anybody's office and tell them "gee the staff I hired and lead just doesn't seem to care"...it would be easier to replace me than the whole staff and if the whole staff did need to go then, since I hired them, I'd still be the first head to roll.

Personal accountability is one of the simplest, yet challenging, things to accomplish.

Good post. Definitely all true. Obviously everything comes back to Parker and he certainly has to shoulder some of the blame when the leadership isn't there. That said, I have a hard time putting a lot of blame for last year's leadership on him. Keep in mind that Strait was supposed to be a captain, too, until he left over the summer. If he doesn't go, I think the leadership is markedly better. It seemed clear to me that the coaches had no desire of bumping Bonino or Gryba up to a C, and I think there was a reason for that. That left a 20-year-old junior as the lone C, and I think Shattenkirk struggled all season to speak up when the upperclassmen, some of them three or four years older than him, didn't have the effort or focus they needed. There was no reason to think Shattenkirk wasn't going to be a good captain because he was good out in Ann Arbor by all accounts. But there's a big difference between being a leader among guys your age or younger and being a leader when much of the team is ahead of you both in age and in class. On top of that, some of those older guys were some of the biggest problems in terms of attitude.
 
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Parker has told us he expects to lose at least one early departure. Earlier in the season, he said he expected Warsofsky to leave after the season, so I'd say he's the most likely. Obviously you're right about his play lately, but we'll see what happens. If he continues to struggle, there's a good chance the B's won't push for him. If he turns it around, they probably do. I wouldn't expect Coyle to leave, but I guess it's at least a possibility. I think Chiasson would be a more likely candidate to leave after this season if Dallas makes a push, but he pretty much gushes about playing here and I know he's not in any rush to get out.

I always look to guys leaving after their junior year because teams don't want to risk them becoming free agents if they don't want to sign after a senior season. Obviously there are exceptions depending on how good you are and where you were drafted...

That's why it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Warsofsky and Trivino gone. Sure, Trivino hasn't lived up to expectations, but the Islanders (I think) might be thinking that he's made some improvement this year at BU, let's see if he can do anything at the pro level before we potentially lose him for nothing.

If I were a betting man, I'd expect both Coyle and Chiasson back next year.
 
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I think several are. As a matter of fact, I think Parker ruins talented forwards and turns them into grinders. Look at the 'cant miss' guys BU has had that flat out missed (Sabo, Maiser, McConnell, etc). They always get top recruits, but for some reason, most do not get better. I think Cronin is better at developing players than Parker is now.
Looking at what the BU teams have done with their players both before and after the classes of '03 an '04, I would say this claim has absolutely no merit.
 
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Losing Trivino would be a shock. He's got skills and good hands, but lazy, lazy feet.
 
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