Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

[BigRedTerrier]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

So it seems as if we have established that BU has been somewhere in the 7th to 5th best team of the decade... and there is talk that we want to run the coaching staff out of town?!?! Doesn't this seem like an overreaction to an ugly beanpot consolation game (magnified by the fact that our friends up the road have had a decade of historic proportion?)

Nobody jump off the cliff... its going to be all right everyone....

I definitely agree that without BC's success, we couldn't be having as much of the conversation. And I also agree that BU has had success in the past decade...I think more of less everyone agrees with that as well. I also, as I have said, think the coaching staff should stay as is.

My concern is with the inconsistency the team has shown with motivation for bigger games, despite repeated, almost desperate efforts by Parker. From banishing the team from its own locker room, to kicking off what seems to me like an unprecedented number of players from the team, it seems like these best efforts have not had the desired effects on the team. Heck, if you want to go more recent, I don't particularly agree with benching Warsofsky. Even Parker himself has admitted that he's needed to change how he coaches to deal with todays players.

Now maybe this has a lot to do in part with a lack of team leadership...in fact I'm sure that having great captains was a huge contributor to the 09 NC. But in the end the ability to consistenty put the right players in a position where they can be successful leaders falls on the head coach's head.

So, for me it will be very important to see how strong the team comes out for the rest of this season (starting tonight where after the Harvard loss they should really blow out a less talented team while playing at home) and how it comes out next year, where even with an early departure or two, they should have a pretty experienced team.

I think anyone who's not at least a little bit concerned about the coaching staff, given all of the recent dismissals, is not viewing this with an unbiased eye.

 

[limey]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

So it seems as if we have established that BU has been somewhere in the 7th to 5th best team of the decade... and there is talk that we want to run the coaching staff out of town?!?! Doesn't this seem like an overreaction to an ugly beanpot consolation game (magnified by the fact that our friends up the road have had a decade of historic proportion?)

yes.

 

[Slasher7]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

So it seems as if we have established that BU has been somewhere in the 7th to 5th best team of the decade... and there is talk that we want to run the coaching staff out of town?!?! Doesn't this seem like an overreaction to an ugly beanpot consolation game (magnified by the fact that our friends up the road have had a decade of historic proportion?)

Nobody jump off the cliff... its going to be all right everyone....

Coaching changes are almost like the question you ask during a big election. Are you better off than you were (10) years ago? I think Parker, at worst, should be grooming someone to take over but I think his ego is hellbent on outlasting York and trying to retire with the most wins. Thats how I see it anyways.

 

[ericredaxe]

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My concern is with the inconsistency the team has shown with motivation for bigger games, despite repeated, almost desperate efforts by Parker. From banishing the team from its own locker room, to kicking off what seems to me like an unprecedented number of players from the team, it seems like these best efforts have not had the desired effects on the team. Heck, if you want to go more recent, I don't particularly agree with benching Warsofsky. Even Parker himself has admitted that he's needed to change how he coaches to deal with todays players.

Now maybe this has a lot to do in part with a lack of team leadership...in fact I'm sure that having great captains was a huge contributor to the 09 NC. But in the end the ability to consistenty put the right players in a position where they can be successful leaders falls on the head coach's head.

So, for me it will be very important to see how strong the team comes out for the rest of this season (starting tonight where after the Harvard loss they should really blow out a less talented team while playing at home) and how it comes out next year, where even with an early departure or two, they should have a pretty experienced team.

I think anyone who's not at least a little bit concerned about the coaching staff, given all of the recent dismissals, is not viewing this with an unbiased eye.

Fair enough... to me then, the "problem" (if there one), probably lies more in the staffs evaluation of the recruits character. (Not so much thier evaluation of talent and physical ability). To me, the coaching staff should not have to banaish the team from lockerrooms etc etc to get players motivated to play the game right. I can definatley see that the beanpot consolation final could be a pitfall game... but the prospect of playing in a big game (Last years hockey east semi comes to mind) should be motivation enough that the coaching staff should not have to say or do anything....

As Herb Brooks said "I'm not talking about the best players, I'm talking about the right ones".

 

[Tater]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

I haven't had much time to respond to this discussion (and still don't lol), however I look at it was what BU should have done in the last decade vs. looking at what they did do. In the majority of the years of the 2000s, I believe that BU underachieved.

Whether you believe it was lack of development, no playing well in big games, lack of focus, I think that the end result is that with the talent on some of the teams BU should have definitely have had more FF's in the decade.

BU was fairly good at reaching regional finals, but unfortunately had a hard time going over that hump into the FF. BU had a 1-4 record in the 2000s in regional finals. Most of the losses were severe beatdowns. Even if you look at the one regional final win in 2009, it was a fluke goal with 17 seconds left that gave them the win, so BU could have easily have gone 0-5 in regional finals in the 2000s. Pretty poor.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

I haven't had much time to respond to this discussion (and still don't lol), however I look at it was what BU should have done in the last decade vs. looking at what they did do. In the majority of the years of the 2000s, I believe that BU underachieved.

Whether you believe it was lack of development, no playing well in big games, lack of focus, I think that the end result is that with the talent on some of the teams BU should have definitely have had more FF's in the decade.

BU was fairly good at reaching regional finals, but unfortunately had a hard time going over that hump into the FF. BU had a 1-4 record in the 2000s in regional finals. Most of the losses were severe beatdowns. Even if you look at the one regional final win in 2009, it was a fluke goal with 17 seconds left that gave them the win, so BU could have easily have gone 0-5 in regional finals in the 2000s. Pretty poor.

The Pride of BU Hockey steps up the plate and hits a tater.

Nice to see someone with high standards. Good job Brian.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Where did you see the '00 SLU-BU game?

From my seat in the arena. Where did you see it?

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

The Pride of BU Hockey steps up the plate and hits a tater.

Nice to see someone with high standards. Good job Brian.

Well, the desire for high standards and better results, does not necessarially line up with the desire to run the current coaching staff out of town.

 

[mpereira]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Coaching changes are almost like the question you ask during a big election. Are you better off than you were (10) years ago? I think Parker, at worst, should be grooming someone to take over but I think his ego is hellbent on outlasting York and trying to retire with the most wins. Thats how I see it anyways.

I don't know if Parker really cares about having more wins than York. Like I am sure he is aware of it but he doesn't seem like the type to dwell on individual accomplishments. I think he is still coaching because BU hockey has been his life for forever and like alot athletes/coaches it is tough to just step out of it all together. He obviously still loves what he is doing and knows he can still do the job after 2009. He is still a **** good coach and certainly has a team assuming no mass early exits after this season that can make a run at the NC next year. Hell, I am a homer but I think if we get in this year we got a shot at getting hot and making a run to the FF.

Also, maybe I am wrong here but I feel like Bavis could step in pretty well if Parker ever did decide to leave. I know Parker wasn't skating at as many practices at the beginning of the year because of his heart so I think Bavis took on even more as a coach. He has been around Parker since the early 90s so I think he would a more than able fill-in/replacement when the time comes for Parker to go.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Well, the desire for high standards and better results, does not necessarially line up with the desire to run the current coaching staff out of town.

Oh I totally agree. Like I said, I think that part is an overreaction to the loss on Monday.

I just find it sad how people get excited about being "1 win away from the FF" a few times when some of the BU teams were there already with a bye and most got blasted in the butt when they were 1 win away. Just one man's opinion, that's all. I don't want limey to start crying and think I'm trolling. I'd like to think I broke down the performances fairly reasonably (some might take exception to 2009 but in the context of what is around it... it's not that unreasonable). Believe it or not I would go to some random BU games here and there back in the day since my wife is a BU gal that had season tickets and a lot of the times we'd buy tix for regionals ahead of time so if BC didn't make it we'd still attend if BU was. Limey doesn't like that... he threw some temper tantrums a few years back in the NCAAs I think when Steve and Casey were in the designated fanboy section. It was quite hilarious.

 

[Slasher7]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

I don't know if Parker really cares about having more wins than York.

You're kidding, right?

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

He is still a **** good coach and certainly has a team assuming no mass early exits after this season that can make a run at the NC next year. Hell, I am a homer but I think if we get in this year we got a shot at getting hot and making a run to the FF.

I agree with this... and speaking of next year (since I have not checked it out at all), does anyone have a handle on who we have coming in for next year?

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

You're kidding, right?

Do you think York cares about having more wins than Parker?

 

[Slasher7]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Do you think York cares about having more wins than Parker?

I think as people who both spent their entire life in hockey, I think it means a lot to each of them to be #1 all-time. How could it not? I'm not chiding Parker for wanting it, I just think there could be a danger there if he hangs on too long to try and get it. If being # 1 all time means nothing to Jerry York, I wouldn't want him as a coach. Why strive NOT to be the best if any job?

 

[ericredaxe]

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I think as people who both spent their entire life in hockey, I think it means a lot to each of them to be #1 all-time. How could it not? I'm not chiding Parker for wanting it, I just think there could be a danger there if he hangs on too long to try and get it. If being # 1 all time means nothing to Jerry York, I wouldn't want him as a coach. Why strive NOT to be the best if any job?

OK... this I can agree with... I'm sure it is on each of thier radar screens to some extent... but I also dont think that it is a primary motivating factor as to why either one of them will decited to retire / not retire. Just my opinion.

 

[limey]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

I haven't had much time to respond to this discussion (and still don't lol), however I look at it was what BU should have done in the last decade vs. looking at what they did do. In the majority of the years of the 2000s, I believe that BU underachieved.

Whether you believe it was lack of development, no playing well in big games, lack of focus, I think that the end result is that with the talent on some of the teams BU should have definitely have had more FF's in the decade.

BU was fairly good at reaching regional finals, but unfortunately had a hard time going over that hump into the FF. BU had a 1-4 record in the 2000s in regional finals. Most of the losses were severe beatdowns. Even if you look at the one regional final win in 2009, it was a fluke goal with 17 seconds left that gave them the win, so BU could have easily have gone 0-5 in regional finals in the 2000s. Pretty poor.

So your big beef over the past 10 years amounts to a total of 2 or 3 losses against the best (or second best) team in the nation?

 

[mpereira]

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I agree with this... and speaking of next year (since I have not checked it out at all), does anyone have a handle on who we have coming in for next year?

Yeah there are four coming in for sure. 1. Cason Hohmann a forward from Cedar Rapids of the USHL and US development program I believe. 2. Evan Rodrigues- a highly skilled (5'10'' 170lbs) forward from the Ontario Junior Hockey League. 3. Matt O'Connor - a 6'5 goalie from ontario now in the ushl 4. Alexx Privitera- 5'10'' defenseman from jersey- presumably to fill in warso's spot. I think I read Parker wanted to bring in another big-time goalie to go with O'Connor as they are losing Kraus and there is a chance Millan will talk to Colorado at least. There is nothing official though.

 

[Redd10]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Yeah there are four coming in for sure. 1. Cason Hohmann a forward from Cedar Rapids of the USHL and US development program I believe. 2. Evan Rodrigues- a highly skilled (5'10'' 170lbs) forward from the Ontario Junior Hockey League. 3. Matt O'Connor - a 6'5 goalie from ontario now in the ushl 4. Alexx Privitera- 5'10'' defenseman from jersey- presumably to fill in warso's spot. I think I read Parker wanted to bring in another big-time goalie to go with O'Connor as they are losing Kraus and there is a chance Millan will talk to Colorado at least. There is nothing official though.

wasn't there a mass goalie that both parker and york were interested in? from malden or cm or something like that i thought. also hohmann tried out for usndtp i believe but he's been with cedar rapids in the ushl for the past two years so i don't know if he was ever officially with them

 

[mpereira]

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I think as people who both spent their entire life in hockey, I think it means a lot to each of them to be #1 all-time. How could it not? I'm not chiding Parker for wanting it, I just think there could be a danger there if he hangs on too long to try and get it. If being # 1 all time means nothing to Jerry York, I wouldn't want him as a coach. Why strive NOT to be the best if any job?

Ok I can agree with you on that. I just hope both would prefer to have more NCs instead of more wins. I think that is the ultimate determining factor in my eyes. I just know Bill Belichick cares alot more about SB's than how many wins he has. I know it is a different situation but championships mean more than overall wins to me.

 

[Tater]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

So your big beef over the past 10 years amounts to a total of 2 or 3 losses against the best (or second best) team in the nation?

Not the only beef, but certainly the most obvious area where BU's alleged "issues" most glaringly manifested themselves. BU's GF-GA in those games was 4-16. How about half the teams in the decade (some stacked with NHL prospects) that didn't even make it to the tournament? My main point is that the talent that was recruited did not produce the results I would have expected. One man's opinion.

Would most NCAA teams have loved to have had BU's 2000's decade? Sure. I think BU could have done better though.