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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
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Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
I guess I have to watch it again...was I thirilled with a call in OT, no. But it sure looked to me that he made a distinct effort to cross check Whitney (?) as he went to the ice. Would I have been shocked if they let it go? Not really. My take was that the stick was held, somehow Ruikka's blade ends up in Whitney's skate and Whitney starts to go down and half-way down Ruikka cross-checks him. As I said earlier, I don't think it gets called if it is just stick hold/possible trip...I thought it was dumb to hit the guy as he was already on his way to the ice. Pretty sure they showed at least one replay of the call and I felt it was an unfortunate call for OT but one that would have been called in regulation.
I guess I have to watch it again...was I thirilled with a call in OT, no. But it sure looked to me that he made a distinct effort to cross check Whitney (?) as he went to the ice. Would I have been shocked if they let it go? Not really. My take was that the stick was held, somehow Ruikka's blade ends up in Whitney's skate and Whitney starts to go down and half-way down Ruikka cross-checks him. As I said earlier, I don't think it gets called if it is just stick hold/possible trip...I thought it was dumb to hit the guy as he was already on his way to the ice. Pretty sure they showed at least one replay of the call and I felt it was an unfortunate call for OT but one that would have been called in regulation.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
Ahhhh someone post highlights! I keep hearing about things that appeared legit from where I was and apparently were the completely opposite... Seats on the balcony behind one goal do not provide the best vantage point for action at the other end of the ice... who knew?!
Ahhhh someone post highlights! I keep hearing about things that appeared legit from where I was and apparently were the completely opposite... Seats on the balcony behind one goal do not provide the best vantage point for action at the other end of the ice... who knew?!
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
There's a somewhat extensive highlight reel on the hockey east website. The only thing they don't show a replay of is the waived off goal, so you can't really tell much from what's there.
There's a somewhat extensive highlight reel on the hockey east website. The only thing they don't show a replay of is the waived off goal, so you can't really tell much from what's there.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
Let me point out how annoying it is to have someone holding your stick like this in this particular position. Anytime a guy is coming down the boards and looking to turn the corner, your stick is cutting off that corner and your body is inside playing the angle to keep him away from the middle. If he goes down the boards, your stick is all you have there to defend and slow him down. The minute he holds your stick (some guys are fantastic at getting it just inside their glove cuff, a legal and effective way to do it!), you're screwed. You either drop your stick and hope he gets called for it, take your other arm and haul him down, or try to skate with him, which is difficult to do under these circumstances as usually at this point he is about past you and ready to cut in and take position. Anyone that has played hockey and had guys do this to them will tell you it drives them absolutely nuts.
Let me point out how annoying it is to have someone holding your stick like this in this particular position. Anytime a guy is coming down the boards and looking to turn the corner, your stick is cutting off that corner and your body is inside playing the angle to keep him away from the middle. If he goes down the boards, your stick is all you have there to defend and slow him down. The minute he holds your stick (some guys are fantastic at getting it just inside their glove cuff, a legal and effective way to do it!), you're screwed. You either drop your stick and hope he gets called for it, take your other arm and haul him down, or try to skate with him, which is difficult to do under these circumstances as usually at this point he is about past you and ready to cut in and take position. Anyone that has played hockey and had guys do this to them will tell you it drives them absolutely nuts.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
Man, some of you are really hammering home the point that all the goals went off BU players (the first tying goal for BC didn't)
Anyway, I really don't think the Hayes/Cross goals took a significant deflection whatsoever. If anything, looked to me like the defenders screening of Millan was more of the issue. Did they tick off a BU player? Fine.
As for the call on Ruikka, agree, bad call, but that call wasn't made in a vacuum. BC was finally given a break and they took advantage. BU should be kicking themselves for not converting at the end of the 3rd.
Man, some of you are really hammering home the point that all the goals went off BU players (the first tying goal for BC didn't)
Anyway, I really don't think the Hayes/Cross goals took a significant deflection whatsoever. If anything, looked to me like the defenders screening of Millan was more of the issue. Did they tick off a BU player? Fine.
As for the call on Ruikka, agree, bad call, but that call wasn't made in a vacuum. BC was finally given a break and they took advantage. BU should be kicking themselves for not converting at the end of the 3rd.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
This. Our PP doesn't convert, the story of the season. We had a golden opportunity or two and got nothing.
This. Our PP doesn't convert, the story of the season. We had a golden opportunity or two and got nothing.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
Considering the significant discrepancy in powerplays between BC and BU all season long, BCs PK vs. BUs PP was the battle that decided these 4 games.
Considering the significant discrepancy in powerplays between BC and BU all season long, BCs PK vs. BUs PP was the battle that decided these 4 games.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
So BC should thank BU's woeful PP for not only allowing them to be #1 in the polls but also helping them have the #1 PK. You're welcome.
So BC should thank BU's woeful PP for not only allowing them to be #1 in the polls but also helping them have the #1 PK. You're welcome.
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I'm not sure an effective PP would've made much of a difference in the first two games in December, we just pretty much sucked in every facet of the game both of those nights. But it surely was the difference last night.
I'm not sure an effective PP would've made much of a difference in the first two games in December, we just pretty much sucked in every facet of the game both of those nights. But it surely was the difference last night.
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
I don't see anyone hammering anything home. Someone asked the question and I answered it because I had the benefit of seeing multiple replays of all the goals up in the press box. I don't see anyone complaining about it or trying to take anything away from BC or anything. Just wondering is all. Not sure why you're getting so defensive about it.
But since you insist on discussing this for some reason, if you think a puck "ticking off" something doesn't affect the goalie's ability to stop it, you've obviously never played hockey yourself. Go watch the video on the HE site again. You can see that Millan appears to be in good position on each of the last two goals, only to have the puck deflect and just miss his glove. Obviously there's no guarantee he makes either save, but man, it looks like his glove's in position on both of them.
I don't see anyone hammering anything home. Someone asked the question and I answered it because I had the benefit of seeing multiple replays of all the goals up in the press box. I don't see anyone complaining about it or trying to take anything away from BC or anything. Just wondering is all. Not sure why you're getting so defensive about it.
But since you insist on discussing this for some reason, if you think a puck "ticking off" something doesn't affect the goalie's ability to stop it, you've obviously never played hockey yourself. Go watch the video on the HE site again. You can see that Millan appears to be in good position on each of the last two goals, only to have the puck deflect and just miss his glove. Obviously there's no guarantee he makes either save, but man, it looks like his glove's in position on both of them.
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You answered your own question. I "insist on discussing this for some reason" because I don't think the last two goals were a result of any deflection like the first goal clearly was. Guess we'll never know. I just have a problem when I read something like Weighart's garbage...
You answered your own question. I "insist on discussing this for some reason" because I don't think the last two goals were a result of any deflection like the first goal clearly was. Guess we'll never know. I just have a problem when I read something like Weighart's garbage...
Carmine Scarpaglia
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
The Hayes goal nicked the jersey of Escobedo but didn't affect the trajectory, causing the puck to very slightly slow down and flutter a bit. That being said, Millan never saw it because he was very clearly screened by Escobedo on a knee to block it and Hayes placed that shot absolutely perfectly. The last two replay angles show an absolutely brutal screen. His glove was never in position to save the puck as he waved at it as it was going by him but originally his glove was too low to make the save there either way. Talking about this like it "went off a BU defender" (or say, writing an article like Weighart) is pretty misleading IMO. Just one man's take.
The Hayes goal nicked the jersey of Escobedo but didn't affect the trajectory, causing the puck to very slightly slow down and flutter a bit. That being said, Millan never saw it because he was very clearly screened by Escobedo on a knee to block it and Hayes placed that shot absolutely perfectly. The last two replay angles show an absolutely brutal screen. His glove was never in position to save the puck as he waved at it as it was going by him but originally his glove was too low to make the save there either way. Talking about this like it "went off a BU defender" (or say, writing an article like Weighart) is pretty misleading IMO. Just one man's take.
mookie1995
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
Live by the blocked shot, die by the blocked shot.... Don't cry over it.
Live by the blocked shot, die by the blocked shot.... Don't cry over it.
Parker Ranger
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
I don't post much, but I read every single post in the BU threads. It never ceases to amaze me that posters from opposing teams -- especially in the case of BU and BC fans -- almost always focus on tailoring their interpretation of a controversial event to save as much face as possible. That's not analysis, that's propaganda. This post was kind of preachy and I know not everyone can post at the level of a Puck Swami or Hokydad (
), but it's becoming a tired act.
I don't post much, but I read every single post in the BU threads. It never ceases to amaze me that posters from opposing teams -- especially in the case of BU and BC fans -- almost always focus on tailoring their interpretation of a controversial event to save as much face as possible. That's not analysis, that's propaganda. This post was kind of preachy and I know not everyone can post at the level of a Puck Swami or Hokydad (
), but it's becoming a tired act.Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
I'm curious...wouldn't "tailoring their interpretation of a controversial event to save as much face as possible" basically come from someone who was wrong about something, but didn't want to admit it? Not sure what you're getting at here.
I don't post much, but I read every single post in the BU threads. It never ceases to amaze me that posters from opposing teams -- especially in the case of BU and BC fans -- almost always focus on tailoring their interpretation of a controversial event to save as much face as possible. That's not analysis, that's propaganda. This post was kind of preachy and I know not everyone can post at the level of a Puck Swami or Hokydad (
I'm curious...wouldn't "tailoring their interpretation of a controversial event to save as much face as possible" basically come from someone who was wrong about something, but didn't want to admit it? Not sure what you're getting at here.
carltonbarrett
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
I think the NCAA should impliment a new rule stating that if the puck is in any way deflected before it goes in the net, it should only count as a half goal. I think that would be a lot more fair.
I think the NCAA should impliment a new rule stating that if the puck is in any way deflected before it goes in the net, it should only count as a half goal. I think that would be a lot more fair.
Parker Ranger
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November
I meant "save face" to mean trying to spare one's program from a sort of weird sense of embarrassment that we all seem to saddle on opposing fans when we think we're right and they're wrong.
This is not in anyway a personal attack on you, J.D., but I've read some of the arguments you're more than able and willing to engage in and, unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do that if you're looking to hash this out.
I meant "save face" to mean trying to spare one's program from a sort of weird sense of embarrassment that we all seem to saddle on opposing fans when we think we're right and they're wrong.
This is not in anyway a personal attack on you, J.D., but I've read some of the arguments you're more than able and willing to engage in and, unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do that if you're looking to hash this out.
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If I had any idea what you were talking about, maybe we could hash whatever this is out
No worries. I try to tell it like it is. If people don't think I'm doing that or disagree with something I've said--I welcome the back and forth. College hockey is my favorite sport and I like to think the more passionate fans, the better.
If I had any idea what you were talking about, maybe we could hash whatever this is out
No worries. I try to tell it like it is. If people don't think I'm doing that or disagree with something I've said--I welcome the back and forth. College hockey is my favorite sport and I like to think the more passionate fans, the better.
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