Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

I had a different thought. Could the NFL move the Super Bowl to Saturday Night? The teams will have had 13 days to prepare. That should be enough time. Then America has all day and night Sunday to recover and go back to work on Monday. I'm not an advertising guy but is airtime on Sunday that much better than airtime on Saturday? That also creates a night off between the Super Bowl and the Beanpot for us (though I know the NFL really doesn't consider us/the Beanpot as something to worry about.

they are not giving away an entertainment night in the run up.

 

[defkit]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

He scored the "winner" in OT against PC at WBA, only to have the goal waved off because his helmet had been knocked off and he kept playing anyway (he also got a two minute minor). We were all pretty salty about that one.

I thought about that one, but my recollection was that he was involved in the play, but not the goal scorer. I thought he passed the puck to the point and the d-man took a shot that Joe Sacco tipped. Or that he was the guy at the point. I know there is footage of it somewhere on one of my game tapes. They were doing a between periods piece about something and showed the clip.

 

[Scarlet]

I thought about that one, but my recollection was that he was involved in the play, but not the goal scorer. I thought he passed the puck to the point and the d-man took a shot that Joe Sacco tipped. Or that he was the guy at the point. I know there is footage of it somewhere on one of my game tapes. They were doing a between periods piece about something and showed the clip.

He assisted. IIRC, lost helmet, passed puck, headed to bench, BU scored, we all celebrated, then goal was called back. We were mad/sad.

 

[Rogie21]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Not sure how much stock to put in it, but Greenway told the local NBC news that he is returning to BU next year.

If Greenway is seriously thinking about taking the Jimmy Vesey route, he'll have a few weeks to discuss it with Matt Gilroy...altho not the same as Gilroy was already a free agent.

 

[Friend_of_BU_Hockey]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

If Greenway is seriously thinking about taking the Jimmy Vesey route, he'll have a few weeks to discuss it with Matt Gilroy...altho not the same as Gilroy was already a free agent.

In Greenway's case, here are my perceived pros and cons of returning to BU for Senior year.

Pros:
1. Opportunity to graduate on schedule
2. Opportunity to pursue free agency
3. Opportunity to win championships and put his mark on BU Hockey history

Cons:
1. Expectations/pressure to deliver. Anything less than leading the team to championships and/or a less-than-dominant year individually would be considered a disappointment.
2. Bullseye on him from opponents and officials.
3. Development - he's ready to turn pro and his game may develop further next season if in the pros

 

[defkit]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Excuse the non-BU related topic (unless you count alums that have gone to BU):

Why are schools like Central Catholic and St. John's Prep (two private schools in my area) grouped with public high schools like Newburyport and Burlington in being eligible for the Super 8. Why wouldn't they be in the "prep school" conferences with St Sebastians, Phillips Exeter, etc. My assumption is that if a school charges tuition and requires you to apply to get in, it is considered a private school. So not all "private" schools are "prep" schools? I know that the "tuition at these schools isn't in the stratosphere like some of those prep schools, maybe that has something to do with it?

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Excuse the non-BU related topic (unless you count alums that have gone to BU):

Why are schools like Central Catholic and St. John's Prep (two private schools in my area) grouped with public high schools like Newburyport and Burlington in being eligible for the Super 8. Why wouldn't they be in the "prep school" conferences with St Sebastians, Phillips Exeter, etc. My assumption is that if a school charges tuition and requires you to apply to get in, it is considered a private school. So not all "private" schools are "prep" schools? I know that the "tuition at these schools isn't in the stratosphere like some of those prep schools, maybe that has something to do with it?

I can't speak specific to hockey and for today, but I attended one and (at least when I was there) the ISL schools pretty much never participated in any statewide competition and championships in any sports. I believe some will offer scholarships etc so perhaps that makes them not eligible? Or perhaps they just want to compete in an island of themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_School_League_(New_England)

Perhaps someone with better knowledge of the current day can answer better than I can.

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

St. John’s Prep, Central Catholic are considered parochial schools. Like Catholic Memorial. And Matignon.

 

[wysi]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

I thought about that one, but my recollection was that he was involved in the play, but not the goal scorer. I thought he passed the puck to the point and the d-man took a shot that Joe Sacco tipped. Or that he was the guy at the point. I know there is footage of it somewhere on one of my game tapes. They were doing a between periods piece about something and showed the clip.

I must say, your memory is sharper than mine!

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Excuse the non-BU related topic (unless you count alums that have gone to BU):

Why are schools like Central Catholic and St. John's Prep (two private schools in my area) grouped with public high schools like Newburyport and Burlington in being eligible for the Super 8. Why wouldn't they be in the "prep school" conferences with St Sebastians, Phillips Exeter, etc. My assumption is that if a school charges tuition and requires you to apply to get in, it is considered a private school. So not all "private" schools are "prep" schools? I know that the "tuition at these schools isn't in the stratosphere like some of those prep schools, maybe that has something to do with it?

OMG!!!! This discussion has been going on since I graduated from high school in 1972!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The short answer is, they "recruit." Now, of course, with "school choice," the landscape is a little more murky. The local school concept where you are "representing your community" has gone extinct...like everything else. Everybody is a mercenary. Think of the "one and done" concept in college. It's similar, except that you have to play all four years in high (prep) school to gain the physical maturity to get to the next level.

This is why the Catholic schools almost always win, because it's impossible for a public school, who is essentially only using players from its immediate community to compete with a school that can "glean" players from almost anywhere. The argument has been going on forever...

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

I can't speak specific to hockey and for today, but I attended one and (at least when I was there) the ISL schools pretty much never participated in any statewide competition and championships in any sports. I believe some will offer scholarships etc so perhaps that makes them not eligible? Or perhaps they just want to compete in an island of themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_School_League_(New_England)

Perhaps someone with better knowledge of the current day can answer better than I can.

I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that's what he meant. He's not comparing them to ISL - he's wondering why ANY essentially "private" school (or parochial or Catholic or whatever you want to call it), who can recruit players from anywhere, can play in the same league as a public school, which is patently unfair because they can only use players (students) from their town.

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

OK, so enough about the Beanpot semi, OT goals, private vs public schools and the diminishing luster of the tournament. Important league game coming up on Friday. Greenway is on the other side of the world. We don’t have confirmation if Harper plays. Probably no Chad Krys. What are we thinking about Friday? UMass was way better than expected, kinda, last Friday. They’re probably still unhappy about the disallowed goal. BU is on a decent unbeaten streak. I’m....concerned.

Discuss.

 

[defkit]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

OK, so enough about the Beanpot semi, OT goals, private vs public schools and the diminishing luster of the tournament. Important league game coming up on Friday. Greenway is on the other side of the world. We don’t have confirmation if Harper plays. Probably no Chad Krys. What are we thinking about Friday? UMass was way better than expected, kinda, last Friday. They’re probably still unhappy about the disallowed goal. BU is on a decent unbeaten streak. I’m....concerned.

Discuss.

Our win streak is a nice turnaround, but the team isn't dominating anyone (other than the first ASU game). But I feel good about Friday - I think as long as Oettinger continues to play well, we'll win. Of course, having Harper in the lineup would be a big help. With Greenway gone, Tkachuk will need to up his game a little.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

In Greenway's case, here are my perceived pros and cons of returning to BU for Senior year.

Pros:
2. Opportunity to pursue free agency

Cons:
3. Development - he's ready to turn pro and his game may develop further next season if in the pros

Really? Ready to turn pro? Maybe once every four games. Maybe.

He is caught between trying to use his size and skills. And he has not developed consistency to show both. Yet.
He can ask JFK about the bus rides in Providence.

If he can utilize his size AND skill together consistently, he won't have to worry about bus rides to Utica.
He can do it, but he is not quite there yet.

 

[Tater]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Not sure how much stock to put in it, but Greenway told the local NBC news that he is returning to BU next year.

I googled to find the video. He said that Greenway told him he would be back to BU next year to finish his degree. Well, the last we heard, Greenway was on track to finish his degree after this junior year. It wouldn't surprise me if Greenway told him he would be back to BU to finish his degree and the reporter interpreted that as Greenway coming back next season. I'd like to see Greenway say that himself before people get excited.

I mean, he hasn't told Michael Russo yet!!

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

I thought about that one, but my recollection was that he was involved in the play, but not the goal scorer. I thought he passed the puck to the point and the d-man took a shot that Joe Sacco tipped. Or that he was the guy at the point. I know there is footage of it somewhere on one of my game tapes. They were doing a between periods piece about something and showed the clip.

He assisted. IIRC, lost helmet, passed puck, headed to bench, BU scored, we all celebrated, then goal was called back. We were mad/sad.

I must say, your memory is sharper than mine!

The game was on NESN, but I didn't find it in my collection, so I ether didn't label it (and I do have several unlabeled tapes), didn't record it, or, most likely, didn't save it. Here is an excerpt from the Globe article on the game:

<I>With 29 seconds to play in overtime, Boston University's Joe Sacco tipped in a drive from the point by defenseman Kevin O'Sullivan, apparently giving the Terriers a 2-1 victory over Providence.

But wait.

Referee Rich Fowkes, who at first allowed the goal, waved it off as the teams were skating off after he was advised by linesman Bob Fowkes (his nephew) that BU's Tony Amonte, who started the play, had been playing without a helmet.</I>

I'm trying to think of games that his father won in OT, and I can only come up with one - a home game against Maine his freshman year (I believe Jean Yves-Roy returned the favor the next night (or the night prior)). For all the big goals he scored, and he did score a bunch (25+31), I don't think there were many in OT (calling Mr. Pickett...). I remember him scoring in the last minute or so against Merrimack his freshman year to cap a furious comeback. He had hat tricks against BC in the Beanpot and Clarkson in the national semis in his sophomore season. Maybe a road game against Northeastern? I'm probably missing an obvious one.

Tony had 14 game-winning goals (tied for fourth most since the start of Hockey East in 1984) for BU in 79 games played. In his first game at Colgate Tony scored the winning goal with 1:33 left in the third period, breaking a 4-4 tie. He next scored the overtime winner vs Maine on 11 November, the day after Jean-Yves Roy had won it for Maine in overtime. Tony's next game-winning goal did not come until 17 January 1990 when he scored in overtime at Lowell. He then scored the winner in the comeback vs Merrimack on 9 February breaking a 4-4 tie with 41 seconds left in the third. His next two winners were both pedestrian ones, a 5-2 win at Lowell and 6-2 vs Lowell at WBA. His next winner was on 17 March vs UND in game two of the NCAA first round, as he scored early in the third to give BU a 4-2 lead in an eventual 5-3 win. Tony also got the winner the next night as he scored BU's first goal early in the first as BU won 5-0 to win the series, 2-1. His next winner in on 25 March at MSU in game three on the NCAA quarterfinals as his goal at 7:02 of the third broke a 3-3 tie and gave BU the lead for good as they upset the Spartans, 2 games to 1. Tony didn't have another game winner until 8 January 1991, when he scored the first goal in a 4-0 shutout vs Merrimack. His next was 4 days later when he broke a 3-3 tie vs SLU with 3:54 left in the third period. He next had another pedestrian game winner in 8 February in a 6-2 win at Merrimack. His next to last game winner came in the 1991 Beanpot championship game vs BC (an 8-4 win). After BC took a 3-2 lead at 9:25 of the second Tony scored twice in 45 seconds to give BU a short-lived (18 seconds) 4-3 lead. Tony then broke the 4-4 tie for good with his third goal in 5:24 (for the fastest hat trick in Beanpot history according to the score sheet). That broke the Eagles back as BU scored 2 more goals in the final 2:18 of the second period to take a 7-4 lead. Tony's last game-winner was another pedestrian one vs Providence in a 9-5 win 5 days later. So, Tony only had 2 overtime game-winners in his BU career, but five others broke tie games and gave BU the lead for good, four of those coming in the third period and three late in the third.

As for all-time, my database has BU winning 111 overtime games*, of which I have identified the game-winning goal scorer for 79. There have been 62 different goal scorers for those 79 games, with just three players having 3 overtime game winners: Jack Eichel, Colby Cohen and Bryan Miller. Tony is among a further 11 players with 2 game-winning goals: Brandon Yip, Chris Matchett, Danny O'Regan, Garrett Noonan, Gerard Desrosiers, Jordan Greenway, Matt Nieto, Mike Sullivan, Mike Kelfer, Shawn McEachern and Tony Amonte. I am working on identifying the goal scorers for the other 32 games.

Sean

* includes overtime win vs Brown later forfeited for ineligible player.

 

[purpleinnebraska]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

I googled to find the video. He said that Greenway told him he would be back to BU next year to finish his degree. Well, the last we heard, Greenway was on track to finish his degree after this junior year. It wouldn't surprise me if Greenway told him he would be back to BU to finish his degree and the reporter interpreted that as Greenway coming back next season. I'd like to see Greenway say that himself before people get excited.

I mean, he hasn't told Michael Russo yet!!

Wild just did a 2 for 1 trade of minor leaguers (including Don Lucia's son, Mario) to get down to 49 contracts, one under the NHL maximum. Rumor is they're making a big pitch for Greenway to join them and take that 50th contract spot.

 

[Bomber]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Hot Take: Greenway has played his last game in a Terrier uniform.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Hot Take: Greenway has played his last game in a Terrier uniform.

That is my guess...

 

[Harry Cleverly]

Re: Boston University 17-18 - thread El Segundo

Hot Take: Greenway has played his last game in a Terrier uniform.

He can return for the Hockey East playoffs, and if there is anything else, and then sign if that's what he wants to do.