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Boston College Women's Hockey, '13-'14: Can we please have a title this time? Please?

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Is shootyhoops season finally over? Is that why Uconn Fan is posting here? If so, please let me know, so I know it's safe to put ESPN back on.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Hey, not all of us choose to reduce our academic standards enough to attend Storrs Community College.

Name one person who went to BC who isn't a class act. I don't count.
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Ok well if I CAN"T use you,, then Joe Grav. Are you related to the hockey ref Grav? UCONN Men hoops will be out of it soon and the women only have to beat a few more teams for their championship.
 
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wwhyte said:
Nice article about Amanda Movsessian, who didn't play much due to injury but participated in the team in other ways: http://www.bcheights.com/sports/women-s-hockey-movsessian-leads-off-the-ice-1.3150604#.UyMibvldW9g
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Very nice article indeed. My heart goes out to players like this whose hockey experiences don't pan out as they'd hoped. Sometimes it's this kind of adversity though that leads to more successes later.

She sounds like a great character kid and I'm sure she'll go on to do very well in life.
 
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UCONN FAN said:
Alex was honored by her town on Saturday.
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She may also have been routing her brother on at Austin Prep! Family does come first. Great Job Alex in the Olympics, I know you guys wanted Gold, but you represented your country well. Good luck next season to Coach Crowley and The Eagles.

A word of advice for all the NCAA D1 East Coaches. Use the Jerry York process, stay as local as you can until you can't find the rest of the ingredients, then make the trip to the other grocery store to maybe find the last few. In the end you may have the best Cake ever

No East Team has ever won the NCAA Womens Hockey Title in D1 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
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Polar Bear Fan said:
A word of advice for all the NCAA D1 East Coaches. Use the Jerry York process, stay as local as you can until you can't find the rest of the ingredients, then make the trip to the other grocery store to maybe find the last few. In the end you may have the best Cake ever

No East Team has ever won the NCAA Womens Hockey Title in D1 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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What may work for Jerry York is not going to be fully translatable to the women's side in the foreseeable future. You are ignoring the fact that the overall pool of women's hockey players is only a small fraction of the size of the men's talent pool.

Minnesota and Wisconsin, and before them, UMD have dominated the NCAA championships. No eastern school has yet won. UMD has always drawn much criticism for its skew to far-from-home, and specifically international, roster picks. Wisconsin and Minnesota, as state schools, have tended to be weighted more towards local players wherever possible. This focus is feasible because of the high concentration of good players within the region, like that of the Mass. area. Where no big difference exists between two players, no doubt preference goes to midwest talent.

However, even in those cases 3/4 of Wisconsin's roster is currently from out of state , and 1/3 of Minnesota's roster are non-Minnesotans. They've no doubt figured out that you can't be a title contender if you have blinders on in terms of selecting the best talent possible regardless of geography. If you want to compete successfully with those top programs, adding geographic restrictions is likely to make any team even less competitive than they already are.
 
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Trillium said:
What may work for Jerry York is not going to be fully translatable to the women's side in the foreseeable future. You are ignoring the fact that the overall pool of women's hockey players is only a small fraction of the size of the men's talent pool.

Minnesota and Wisconsin, and before them, UMD have dominated the NCAA championships. No eastern school has yet won. UMD has always drawn much criticism for its skew to far-from-home, and specifically international, roster picks. Wisconsin and Minnesota, as state schools, have tended to be weighted more towards local players wherever possible. This focus is feasible because of the high concentration of good players within the region, like that of the Mass. area. Where no big difference exists between two players, no doubt preference goes to midwest talent.

However, even in those cases 3/4 of Wisconsin's roster is currently from out of state , and 1/3 of Minnesota's roster are non-Minnesotans. They've no doubt figured out that you can't be a title contender if you have blinders on in terms of selecting the best talent possible regardless of geography. If you want to compete successfully with those top programs, adding geographic restrictions is likely to make any team even less competitive than they already are.
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Concentration of teams is a factor. There is 8 teams out west that draw from Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Northern Ontario, Manitoba/Sask/Alberta.

There is a boat load of teams out East, over 20, at least 8 within a 50 mile radius from Boston alone, drawing from New England, NY and Ontario/Quebec. I think that success is strongly coupled to the depth and strength of your recruiting pool. Having more resources (money) helps as well.

When the number of teams out East was smaller, pre HE days (BU and BC were club teams, UNH and Providence were in the ECAC), the dominant teams were in the East. As soon as it became a national sport and the big money D1 schools got involved at a larger scale, the landscape changed completely. MY guess is that this will continue for the foreseeable future.

JMO.
 
OnMAA said:
There is a boat load of teams out East, over 20, at least 8 within a 50 mile radius from Boston alone, drawing from New England, NY and Ontario/Quebec. I think that success is strongly coupled to the depth and strength of your recruiting pool. Having more resources (money) helps as well.
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Neither the recruiting pool or money argument fully explains UMD. While proximity to recruits helps, there have always been many of the top players from the western provinces that have chosen programs in the East. If a UMD could win, a number of programs in the East had sufficient resources to win as well.
 
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OnMAA said:
When the number of teams out East was smaller, pre HE days (BU and BC were club teams, UNH and Providence were in the ECAC), the dominant teams were in the East. As soon as it became a national sport and the big money D1 schools got involved at a larger scale, the landscape changed completely. MY guess is that this will continue for the foreseeable future.

JMO.
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To restate ......when all the teams were in the east, the east teams were dominant.;)

or replace ECAC in place of east.....
 
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ARM said:
Neither the recruiting pool or money argument fully explains UMD. While proximity to recruits helps, there have always been many of the top players from the western provinces that have chosen programs in the East. If a UMD could win, a number of programs in the East had sufficient resources to win as well.
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I don't think there is anyone disputing that lots of teams have sufficient financial resources and access to a talent pool to be able to win. (As well as quite a number of teams lacking enough resources to compete at the uppermost levels.) The proposition was whether any women's team (specifically one in the Boston area) could recruit the majority of its talent locally and win a title.

Actually, I had taken at face value Polar Bear Fan's contention that on the men's side, this was Jerry York's formula at BC.

However, in checking that roster now, only 1/3 of the Boston College men's players are in fact from Mass., and 40% of the roster isn't even from the east coast!-- including the captain and an assistant. Somewhat surprising for BC, 4 of his current players are Canadian. So much for that theory.
 
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Trillium said:
I don't think there is anyone disputing that lots of teams have sufficient financial resources and access to a talent pool to be able to win. (As well as quite a number of teams lacking enough resources to compete at the uppermost levels.) The proposition was whether any women's team (specifically one in the Boston area) could recruit the majority of its talent locally and win a title.

Actually, I had taken at face value Polar Bear Fan's contention that on the men's side, this was Jerry York's formula at BC.

However, in checking that roster now, only 1/3 of the Boston College men's players are in fact from Mass., and 40% of the roster isn't even from the east coast!-- including the captain and an assistant. Somewhat surprising for BC, 4 of his current players are Canadian. So much for that theory.
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If memory serves me correctly, did Yale not win last year. Reason I bring that up is in response ARM example of UMD. There are always exceptions to the general rule or trend. The years of Ivy league domination in certain sports are long gone. Does not mean they can on occasion be successful. Yale Men's hockey last year. Cornell B-Ball last year. Harvard B-bal won a game in the tourney last year. Etc Etc etc.
 
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ARM said:
One time is an exception. Five times is its own general rule or trend.
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Fair point. In that case there were other circumstances at play. A good coach and the ability to attract top talent from Quebec and from abroad were both Key Factors. Players like Irwin and McPharland are from Thunderbay, so for them UMD is like being at home, closer for them than any other college team either side of the border.
 
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Players like Irwin and McPharland are from Thunderbay, so for them UMD is like being at home, closer for them than any other college team either side of the border.
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Sure, and I think every program has their Irwin and McParland types that are from the surrounding area. For sure BC does. My point is that neither UMD nor Wisconsin has won because they had some hidden pool of talent that nobody else could access. I'll give you that Minnesota has a more distinct recruiting advantage to local talent, and at least in recent years, has won the majority of the recruiting battles in state. But if you look at the rosters from Wisconsin and UMD over the years, their best players have come from all over, and they had to compete with others, including Eastern schools, in order to get them.
 
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Got my DU jersey on!
 
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