Boston College Eagles 🦅 2018-2019

[Split-N]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

Here's a [probably fruitless] attempt to ground this discussion on something resembling fact, starting with the applicable extracts from the NCAA rule book:

79.3 Ethnic/Racial Slurs - A player, coach or other non-playing person shall not direct ethnic or racial slurs to an official, opposing player or opposing team personnel. PENALTY—Game misconduct.

29.1 Supplementary Discipline - The proper disciplinary authority may, at the conclusion of the game, and at its discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any game and may assess additional suspensions for any offense committed before, during or after a game by a player, coach or non-playing personnel, independent of whether such offense had been penalized by a referee. The proper disciplinary authority may not decrease any penalties assessed before, during or after the game by the on-ice officials. In NCAA championship competition, the proper disciplinary authority is the divisional championship committee or its designee. Note: The proper disciplinary authority has a responsibility to identify the proper penalized player.

I can't help but note that the only places a "Racial Slur" is being alleged is on this thread and other social media outlets. The fact is, none of us know for sure whether what was allegedly said was indeed a racial slur or nothing more than "inappropriate language" of the type that is routinely rained down on players by various student sections. Also please note that HEA cannot--by rule--impose supplementary discipline unless the offending player(s) can be identified.

I have always considered myself a fair-minded, even-handed individual, which is why I find myself bothered at the seeming rush to judgment and "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that seems to have taken hold when none of us know for sure what did or did not happen.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

The tweet was DELETED. what do you not understand about that? I can't argue with someone who is trying to tell me I have to stand by a deleted tweet. It makes no ****ing sense. The guy said everyone knows what happened. He didn't say a single word about how BC/Hockey East didn't handle this correctly. Please try trolling someone else now. You are a moron.

 

[J.D.]

Here's a [probably fruitless] attempt to ground this discussion on something resembling fact, starting with the applicable extracts from the NCAA rule book:

79.3 Ethnic/Racial Slurs - A player, coach or other non-playing person shall not direct ethnic or racial slurs to an official, opposing player or opposing team personnel. PENALTY—Game misconduct.

29.1 Supplementary Discipline - The proper disciplinary authority may, at the conclusion of the game, and at its discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any game and may assess additional suspensions for any offense committed before, during or after a game by a player, coach or non-playing personnel, independent of whether such offense had been penalized by a referee. The proper disciplinary authority may not decrease any penalties assessed before, during or after the game by the on-ice officials. In NCAA championship competition, the proper disciplinary authority is the divisional championship committee or its designee. Note: The proper disciplinary authority has a responsibility to identify the proper penalized player.

I can't help but note that the only places a "Racial Slur" is being alleged is on this thread and other social media outlets. The fact is, none of us know for sure whether what was allegedly said was indeed a racial slur or nothing more than "inappropriate language" of the type that is routinely rained down on players by various student sections. Also please note that HEA cannot--by rule--impose supplementary discipline unless the offending player(s) can be identified.

I have always considered myself a fair-minded, even-handed individual, which is why I find myself bothered at the seeming rush to judgment and "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that seems to have taken hold when none of us know for sure what did or did not happen.

Well said. There is no place for putting thought into this or asking questions. It's all about who can have the most over the top take and get the most likes and retweets.

 

[northeastern]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

The tweet was DELETED. what do you not understand about that? I can't argue with someone who is trying to tell me I have to stand by a deleted tweet. It makes no ****ing sense. The guy said everyone knows what happened. He didn't say a single word about how BC/Hockey East didn't handle this correctly. Please try trolling someone else now. You are a moron.

i guess you missed his point (and maybe he is missing your pov now..)
all in all, sad situation. with all the expletives, trash talk, one liners one can throw around at an opponent, there are certain no go areas. why go there.
if he did, will catch up with him sooner or later in life (you can bet on it).

i hope he did not. i want to believe the sport is better than this.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

Mookie just realized...

Jrrry did find out. Kid is contrite and feels awful.
Jrrrry knows if he suspends the kid, he will be labeled for life.

Figured the guilt now is enough and let it go.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

There is no point to be missed. If someone from PC comes out and says this wasn't handled correctly my next question would be ok why do you feel that way and what can be done differently. That's how you make progress. I don't have any details on what has gone on behind the scenes so it's up to the schools and administrators to figure that all out together. If something wasn't done correctly, speak up about it.

 

[J.D.]

Mookie just realized...

Jrrry did find out. Kid is contrite and feels awful.
Jrrrry knows if he suspends the kid, he will be labeled for life.

Figured the guilt now is enough and let it go.

Also a possibility. But that isn't enough for the Keyboard Mafia.

 

[northeastern]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

Mookie just realized...

Jrrry did find out. Kid is contrite and feels awful.
Jrrrry knows if he suspends the kid, he will be labeled for life.

Figured the guilt now is enough and let it go.

this is a very good point. i can see this happening and that would be a good way to resolve this.

Also a possibility. But that isn't enough for the Keyboard Mafia.

ha, ha. this is a message board.. (got your keyboard ready..).. we are the definition of keyboard mafia...

 

[popester]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

All these cries of "PC police" is pretty disappointing. From what I've seen, no one from BC, PC, or Hockey East is denying something racist was said. An unbiased witness (game official) heard a racist remark towards a Providence player, and it certainly seems from the now deleted tweet from the PC assistant coach that the Providence team/players heard it, and BC didn't deny or confirm that something racist was said. Most of the commentary I've seen has criticized BC for not taking a stronger stand, particularly in it's statement. How hard would it have been to say, e.g. "Boston College condemns racism in the strongest terms, and racist language will not be tolerated from BC athletes..."? You don't have to know who said something racist to condemn racism, and condemning racism isn't "PC police". Give me a break

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

Well except that Hockey East didn't mention racist so perhaps you don't like their statement either. By the way, you can still mock the PC police while also realizing that racism is wrong. That's not difficult. But if we're simply calling for stronger statements, ok. I am on board with that.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

And the BC statement says there is uncertainty as to what was said.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

All these cries of "PC police" is pretty disappointing. From what I've seen, no one from BC, PC, or Hockey East is denying something racist was said. An unbiased witness (game official) heard a racist remark towards a Providence player, and it certainly seems from the now deleted tweet from the PC assistant coach that the Providence team/players heard it, and BC didn't deny or confirm that something racist was said. Most of the commentary I've seen has criticized BC for not taking a stronger stand, particularly in it's statement. How hard would it have been to say, e.g. "Boston College condemns racism in the strongest terms, and racist language will not be tolerated from BC athletes..."? You don't have to know who said something racist to condemn racism, and condemning racism isn't "PC police". Give me a break

Slow down. There is some terrible logic in this post starting with sentence #1.

That no one has not denied anything does not mean it happened.

 

[BoSox3066]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

Its weird how multiple people on Twitter and here are saying “everyone knows what happened” but won’t post names/what was said/what happened.

Im everyone. I dont know what happened. And if they wont put their name on a report saying what happened, then it stands to reason they in fact dont know what happened either.

 

[popester]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

Slow down. There is some terrible logic in this post starting with sentence #1.

That no one has not denied anything does not mean it happened.

I'll slow it down for you. An unbiased witness claims to have heard something racist said towards someone + it certainly seems that other people heard it + no one has publicly contradicted them = seems like something racist was said (and there's evidence supporting that), although we can't be 100% sure. It would not have been hard for BC to come out strongly against racism in their statement about the alleged incident, particularly because they aren't denying it happened.

 

[J.D.]

Its weird how multiple people on Twitter and here are saying “everyone knows what happened” but won’t post names/what was said/what happened.

Im everyone. I dont know what happened. And if they wont put their name on a report saying what happened, then it stands to reason they in fact dont know what happened either.

That also annoys me. It does absolutely nothing in advancing the cause/issue. Just leads to more speculation.

 

[popester]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

That also annoys me. It does absolutely nothing in advancing the cause/issue. Just leads to more speculation.

"Everyone" is "everyone involved". More info: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2019/03/21_Editorial-Justice-Not-Served.php

From the article: "The fact of the matter is, everyone involved knows who said it. The referee who heard it, and reported it to Providence's bench, knows. The Providence coach who confronted the BC player in the handshake line and demanded an apology (and didn't get it) knows. Boston College coach Jerry York knows. As does, of course, the perpetrator himself."

 

[Split-N]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

I'll slow it down for you. An unbiased witness claims to have heard something racist said towards someone + it certainly seems that other people heard it + no one has publicly contradicted them = seems like something racist was said (and there's evidence supporting that), although we can't be 100% sure. It would not have been hard for BC to come out strongly against racism in their statement about the alleged incident, particularly because they aren't denying it happened.

So here I am on a BC thread defending BC again. Makes me feel like I'm committing an unnatural act but the fact remains that certain people want heads on a platter based on something that remains unconfirmed/uncorroborated rumor and innuendo. We still don't know for a fact if this alleged incident was truly heinous in nature or just extreme trash talk between opposing players in an emotionally charged playoff game. If I'm ever wrongly accused of some heinous crime, I wouldn't want any of these rush-to-judgment/guilty-before-proven-innocent types on my jury.

And I also have to wonder how many of these self-righteous, finger-pointing, speech police participated (and maybe continue to participate) in student section chants that shout "You S---," among other things, at opposing players on multiple occasions over multiple seasons. C'mon. The S-word refers to a certain sexual act that certainly can fit within any definition of inappropriate comment. So let's either dial down the hypocrisy or start showing up for games with duct tape over our mouths.

And BTW, I'm first-generation offspring of parents of a certain European descent. I got called certain names in my childhood. But didn't develop a complex over it or seek out safe spaces. And life has been good.

 

[MCWarrior1011]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

And BTW, I'm first-generation offspring of parents of a certain European descent. I got called certain names in my childhood. But a didn't develop a complex over it or seek out safe spaces. And life has been good.

Congratulations

 

[BoSox3066]

"Everyone" is "everyone involved". More info: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2019/03/21_Editorial-Justice-Not-Served.php

From the article: "The fact of the matter is, everyone involved knows who said it. The referee who heard it, and reported it to Providence's bench, knows. The Providence coach who confronted the BC player in the handshake line and demanded an apology (and didn't get it) knows. Boston College coach Jerry York knows. As does, of course, the perpetrator himself."

Two things 1) if theyre so confident that everyone knows why isnt it public?

2) why would the ref report the slur to the PC bench? He didnt call a penalty/misconduct so what would prompt him to just mention to a coach “hey I heard XXX” just as gossip? Doesnt make sense

 

[Bomber]

Re: Boston College Eagles 2018-2019

And I also have to wonder how many of these self-righteous, finger-pointing, speech police participated (and maybe continue to participate) in student section chants that shout "You S---," among other things, at opposing players on multiple occasions over multiple seasons. C'mon. The S-word refers to a certain sexual act that certainly can fit within any definition of inappropriate comment. So let's either dial down the hypocrisy or start showing up for games with duct tape over our mouths.

And BTW, I'm first-generation offspring of parents of a certain European descent. I got called certain names in my childhood. But didn't develop a complex over it or seek out safe spaces. And life has been good.

*Facepalm*